Go CCP Fozzie and CCP Ytterbium, they are awesome!

Black Ops Battleships. Make. It. Go.



SOONER.

Black Ops Battleships and HACs (Caldari HACs lol) would be my top 2 to rebalance.


Also since ship balancing has spilled over somewhat in to mod balancing can we get torps, cruise missiles, and cap torps and cap CMs looked at?
Also super excited for the TD buff if/when it happens. Huge buff to missile ships.
In addition the T2 siege and triage modules have gone over very well. Any chance of T2 XL guns and ammo? T2 fighters/FBs? T2 cap reps and cap RR? Would make 0.0 and lowsec a lot more fun.

No more new ships. we've got enough ships. For now.

What most combat ships need are more weapons systems to add variety.

No reason to trade one small group of guns for a medium group when going from frigate to cruiser for instance.

Normally ships retain all, or at least some, of the functionality of the ship they are an upgrade from.

Thus a cruiser for instance, should not only have it's medium guns, but retain an array of small guns as well.

Going up in a class makes typically implies larger guns, better range, better damage.... but you also gain weaknesses. The BIGGEST weakness that really balances PvP in EvE: large ships have a harder time of applying their increased firepower to small, fast moving targets. This means, a fit that's optimized to kill BS's won't efficiently kill frigates, and a fit that efficiently kills frigates won't be optimized to kill BS's.

and i would be extremely happy because, while we all get how eve works, it's damn peculiar.

nor does it explain actual mechanics. like for instance how a fighter plane might remain relavant in today's world, in spite of idk, EVERY ship having at least some anti-air component to it.

things would change sure. you might actually need to bring more smaller ships to kill that larger one, instead of soloing it. maybe yoru small ship might need some countermeasures as well.

just no more soloing ships with ships that have no rational explanation why they are soloed by them, other than, we dumped the small guns for the big ones, because we just couldn't fit a small one on this big 1000 METER LONG SHIP. DERPITY DERP.

it makes my brain hurt. it hurts everywhere.

I am overall happy of the T1 treatment... but now, much more work is needed on their T2 counterpart.

So many T2 ships are now straight downgrades from their T1 version, as slightly better bonus and more resistance are not worth the downgrade everywhere else... especially for the price-tag.

A bit of a pity that many T2 pilots will mostly fly T1 for the next 6-12 months. At least the wallet is going to be so much fatter :) (not mine, I sell T2 ships)

At least for Alliance Tournament, there will be full of T1 frigates and cruisers . unless they change the point value... but I love the support fight.

Whatever realism we get from game balancing is merely a happy bonus. Game balance should never be compromised in the name of "realism".

I'm not sure what you two are arguing about.

It has nothing to do with pecularity and everything to do with balance. Large ships are already generally better. There is definately some degree of balance with regards to tracking and resolutions on larger weapons, but there's definately an edge to larger ships in EVE (slots, tracking modules etc.) which will cause balance issues if it's further sharpened.

I'm not sure if we want small ships more easily killed than they already are, or if we want to spend even more development time readjusting small ships or overall weapons balance to create more extremes that would allow this sort of multi-array RP-approach. We can't just add it because it's cool and let it play out - that's been done too often already.

The problem with adding something like what you discuss - is the additional work required to implement it well.

Ontop of that, nothing stop you from fitting smaller arrays to larger ships should you want to (out of some lore-fascination). It may not be better to do so, not appealing to do so or niched where it actually applies well, but it's reasonably balanced. The turrets have various sizes with different tracking values within class, you can give up bonuses and fit smaller classes and the missiles even have class-crossing sizes and bonuses (AML).

no more soloing ships with ships that have no rational explanation why they are soloed by them, other than, we dumped the small guns for the big ones

another sophmoric response.

Thus a cruiser for instance, should not only have it's medium guns, but retain an array of small guns as well.

... in other words i don't want my frigates "balanced" with cruisers.

T2 ships shouldn't be a mandatory upgrade from T1 IMO.

Above and beyond any specific ship balancing, CCP really needs to iron out the role of ship classes, because even after Retribution (perhaps even more so), it seems there are an awful lot of ship classes/types that are stepping on each other's toes (e.g. Attack cruisers and Assault Frigates or Sniper HACs and Tier 3 battlecruisers). The ship lines are a design paradigm, but they only address battlefield role within class, not between.

Uh, that's exactly what's CCP Fozzie is doing.

While you are balancing the ships, can you take a look at the warp speed and do something more interesting with it?

Maybe mix it up a bit more between different ships, and expand the range between the slowest and the fastest?

Or, perhaps, since Minmatar typically have the fastest ship speeds, give the Amarr much faster warp speeds. The Amarr are supposed to have better tech, anyways. So, figure that they should be able to cross 10 systems in the same time it takes the Minmatar to cross 5 systems. The Gallente and Caldari can fall somewhere inbetween.

As an exemple, a Cerberus should be like a super-Caracal. A bit more range, a bit more DPS (like an additional launcher or something), T2 resistances, no fitting issues (Like the current Caracal) and the Caracal's speed.

That would be a good post-Retribution Cerberus.

Warp speed itself is almost entirely irrelevant.

What would make a big difference is warp acceleration and deceleration rates.

Half of the point of the frigate and cruiser rebalance was to narrow the gap between T1 and T2 hulls so that T1s are actually worth flying. There's little point doing that if next they're just going to buff the hell out of HACs to restore the old gap.

I'm not trying to "buff the hell out of HACs", I'm just trying to bring the Cerberus to the Caracals' level (Especially on speed and fitting room). This alone will make it okay to fly.

The last update ruined missile legion.... it need to be reviewed...