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MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:30:00 -
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So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price.
I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
519
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:32:00 -
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Nerf goons thread # blahblahblahblahnerfgoonsblahblahblahwaaaaaaaaaaa Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
165
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:33:00 -
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Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:34:00 -
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MIrple wrote:Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles
reported, your sad little angry comments are not needed...
oh and lets remember goons was given deklein - just saying
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1085
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:34:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote:So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then
Nothings changed?
When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered.
The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit.
Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.
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John DaiSho
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
26
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:35:00 -
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Actually, it isnt, Tech went down quite a bit but its still very profitable for all Tech holders. The new alchemy reactions did pull down the price for Tech but its hard to produce significant numbers that way. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2961
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:35:00 -
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We have been forced to give swimming lessons to our accountants so that they dont drown in the money bin. |
Kobal81
14th Legion Black Core Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:35:00 -
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Working as Intended "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit" |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:35:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Nerf goons thread # blahblahblahblahnerfgoonsblahblahblahwaaaaaaaaaaa
not about goons really, i just threw the comment in... please dont get angry. its just a game. |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:36:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:MilitantMan wrote:So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then Nothings changed? When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered. The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit. Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.
no it was not what a load of rubbish is was not much different to now
http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16649#history |
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Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
30
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:43:00 -
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/techh.jpg/ Taken like 2 minutes ago.
It should be noted that alchemy didn't fix Tech it just broke OTEC. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1085
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:43:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:MilitantMan wrote:So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then Nothings changed? When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered. The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit. Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off. no it was not what a load of rubbish is was not much different to now http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16649#history
My alliance holds over 50 tech moons, adding that functional knowledge with that fancy market tab called Price History, then setting it to "6 Months" allows you to see back to June 2nd where the price was about 190k/unit. If you take a look at that tab it'll tell you how wrong you are and I wont have to waste anymore words doing it.
Short of that I can post a screen shot of the price history tab on the market window and show you and everybody else how wrong you are.
EDIT: Too late somebody else already posted the market window, showing you how wrong you are. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
250
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:46:00 -
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YOU LEAVE TECH ALONE Follow me on twitter |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
106
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:51:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote:So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue. New Player retention is important to our community. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
536
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:53:00 -
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR GOOONS "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:54:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:MilitantMan wrote:So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue.
well it didnt really did it. There where a few dyspro and prom moons IN ALL Regions. Now there is sweet FA in the south and its all in the north. Plus there was nowhere near the same amount of dyspro moons etc compared to tech now |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:57:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:MilitantMan wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:MilitantMan wrote:So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then Nothings changed? When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered. The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit. Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off. no it was not what a load of rubbish is was not much different to now http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16649#history My alliance holds over 50 tech moons, adding that functional knowledge with that fancy market tab called Price History, then setting it to "6 Months" allows you to see back to June 2nd where the price was about 190k/unit. If you take a look at that tab it'll tell you how wrong you are and I wont have to waste anymore words doing it. Short of that I can post a screen shot of the price history tab on the market window and show you and everybody else how wrong you are. EDIT: Too late somebody else already posted the market window, showing you how wrong you are.
happy to stand corrected about the price, however the changes CCP made, was not the cause for that drop matey. Infact I doubt it has had any impact, it was supposed to have a much bigger impact, bringing price of tech down a lot its still pretty damn high
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1085
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:00:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote: well it didnt really did it. There where a few dyspro and prom moons IN ALL Regions. Now there is sweet FA in the south and its all in the north. Plus there was nowhere near the same amount of dyspro moons etc compared to tech now
There are in fact tech moons in the south (3+ that I know of), but you are right, there are a TON more dyspro and prom moons in the game then there are tech, and most players did in fact point this out, at the time of the change the NC held nearly all those moons, we pointed them out as conflict drivers when spread around the game but the Devs at the time just brushed off what we were telling them, ignored us, and put the changes in anyway.
The end result was that fight starters around the game were made useless and all the wealth of the game was concentrated in one section of the map.
Those of us who were smart decided to get us a piece of that pie since they weren't going to do anything about how broken they were making it.
Don't hold a grudge against the players who sought out and made homes and strongholds around where the money was, don't get mad and say that the alchemy changes haven't changed tech, get mad at the developers who ignored what the players told them would happen 2 years ago for stifling again and again fights around the game by hamfisting changes and refusing to review them for years after their poor implementation wreaks havoc on the game, I'm looking at you Dominion Sov and Tech changes. |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:02:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:MilitantMan wrote: well it didnt really did it. There where a few dyspro and prom moons IN ALL Regions. Now there is sweet FA in the south and its all in the north. Plus there was nowhere near the same amount of dyspro moons etc compared to tech now
There are in fact tech moons in the south (3+ that I know of), but you are right, there are a TON more dyspro and prom moons in the game then there are tech, and most players did in fact point this out, at the time of the change the NC held nearly all those moons, we pointed them out as conflict drivers when spread around the game but the Devs at the time just brushed off what we were telling them, ignored us, and put the changes in anyway. The end result was that fight starters around the game were made useless and all the wealth of the game was concentrated in one section of the map. Those of us who were smart decided to get us a piece of that pie since they weren't going to do anything about how broken they were making it. Don't hold a grudge against the players who sought out and made homes and strongholds around where the money was, don't get mad and say that the alchemy changes haven't changed tech, get mad at the developers who ignored what the players told them would happen 2 years ago for stifling again and again fights around the game by hamfisting changes and refusing to review them for years after their poor implementation wreaks havoc on the game, I'm looking at you Dominion Sov and Tech changes.
Who said I was mad? Im just stating facts, I am perfectly calm |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
601
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:11:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue.
What's even funnier was Goonswarm holding Delve (i.e. the region with the most Dyspro/Prom) when the changes came :v
But no, totally biased decision purely to benefit Devswarm. Glad this guy's on the case! Imagine the damage he'll do once he realizes how to make market history go back farther than 5 days! |
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MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:13:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue. What's even funnier was Goonswarm holding Delve (i.e. the region with the most Dyspro/Prom) when the changes came :v But no, totally biased decision purely to benefit Devswarm. Glad this guy's on the case! Imagine the damage he'll do once he realizes how to make market history go back farther than 5 days!
Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
602
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:17:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote:Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price
Riiiight, Tech didn't drop from over 200k at one point to less than 80k today because of CCP's alchemy changes. Somehow this managed to happen even though most of the tech is actually in far fewer hands now than it was at its peak. Explain this to us, oh market wizard!
Edit: here's a fun thread for those of us not in the middle of a DEM GOONS conniption:
"Current SiSi T2 component usage make TECHNETIUM "the new dysprosium"
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1208383 |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:19:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:MilitantMan wrote:Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price Riiiight, Tech didn't drop from over 200k at one point to less than 80k today because of CCP's alchemy changes. Somehow this managed to happen even though most of the tech is actually in far fewer hands now than it was at its peak. Explain this to us, oh market wizard!
Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?
Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now.. |
Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
30
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:19:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote: Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.
To be fair that would and will be true without Tech given their numbers. You could argue that Tech gave them a lot of those numbers, but that would be suppositional and irrelevant at this point.
MilitantMan wrote:Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price Except it was. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
602
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:26:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote:Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?
Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now..
That's usually how these things happen. Nerf announced, people act accordingly. It's not like reactions are some kind of foreign thing, or that nobody was mining platinum or cobalt before this was announced.
Besides, you skipped the fundamental part of my question. If the drop in prices (not dip, drop, the drop has been happening pretty much since CCP Fozzie's devblog mid-July) was not caused by alchemy changes but instead by (insert your own batshit reason here), wouldn't that price be on its way back up now that most of the tech in the game is quite literally consolidated by one coalition? Especially one that would most definitely be fixing prices if it were at all able to? |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:26:00 -
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Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:MilitantMan wrote: Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.
To be fair that would and will be true without Tech given their numbers. You could argue that Tech gave them a lot of those numbers, but that would be suppositional and irrelevant at this point. MilitantMan wrote:Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price Except it was.
Ok well remember PL had lots of high end moons in Fountain, As fountain had a massive concentration of both dyspro and prom moons. That was a time both these made incredible ISK. Thats how PL made their money and managed to build a massive super/titan fleet. And yes of course they have grown a little also. This then allowed them to take as much of the tech moons as they wanted.
Not only did they take a ton of moons in low sec, but took all the 70 moons in Venal at one point. Again giving them a ridiculous income to create more and more caps.
i am not saying this a PLs fault, but there are fundamental issues with the mechanics of this game
and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market n just a couple of weeks. |
MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:28:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:MilitantMan wrote:Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?
Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now.. That's usually how these things happen. Nerf announced, people act accordingly. It's not like reactions are some kind of foreign thing, or that nobody was mining platinum or cobalt before this was announced. Besides, you skipped the fundamental part of my question. If the drop in prices (not dip, drop, the drop has been happening pretty much since CCP Fozzie's devblog mid-July) was not caused by alchemy changes but instead by (insert your own batshit reason here), wouldn't that price be on its way back up now that most of the tech in the game is quite literally consolidated by one coalition? Especially one that would most definitely be fixing prices if it were at all able to?
Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread
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MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:30:00 -
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duble post |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
602
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:30:00 -
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MilitantMan wrote:and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market n just a couple of weeks.
Speculation caused the initial sharp decline (note: speculation caused by the alchemy nerf). It rose for a while once the Tribute War started (first step was attacking NCdot's Tech in Venal/Tribute, which naturally caused a drop in supply), but once that subsided (and actual alchemy no doubt kicked in), it started dropping again, and currently sits even lower than it was during that initial downwards slope.
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MilitantMan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:36:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:MilitantMan wrote:and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market n just a couple of weeks. Speculation caused the initial sharp decline (note: speculation caused by the alchemy nerf). It rose for a while once the Tribute War started (first step was attacking NCdot's Tech in Venal/Tribute, which naturally caused a drop in supply), but once that subsided (and actual alchemy no doubt kicked in), it started dropping again, and currently sits even lower than it was during that initial downwards slope.
Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.
It would be good to see the stats from CCP, however its still damn high, and I think the intended changes was supposed to have a much bigger impact. Like maybe bringing tech to 30K or something. Maybe I am wrong. But it would also be good to know what CCP expected the market price to drop to after this implementation. If they knew it was going to drop only a little then that didnt really solve the problem then did it.
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