What this guy said.

+ you can get all the tech you want, you just need to fight for it, if you don't for whatever reason then it's not a CCP problem but yours.

What this guy said.

+ you can get all the tech you want, you just need to fight for it, if you don't for whatever reason then it's not a CCP problem but yours.

Frankly a really rubish answer -1.

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

Thank you for your constructive appreciation, however I would like you to answer a couple questions, if you please:

1-who or what is making so you can't take over a couple of those tech moons and systems?
*inability to attract players and recruit
*inability to find decent reimbursement programs so your grunts don't have to take it all from their pockets to defend YOUR & YOUR FRIENDS tr+ál+ál+á wallet
*inability to cooperate with other corporations, alliances without backstabbing each other

2-why should CCP handle your hand and give you for free what you can't afford?

3-what is preventing you from cooperation with those, despite getting spanked several times, are still over there and fight for their space? (props to these because fun playing it's better than forum crying about tech)

4-why do you need tech to live in null or have systems over there?

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

I will answer the first bit for you. Just because there is a dole payment does not mean I want to be unemployed, just like here there is a welfare payment from CCP but I wouldn't want to be a blobber to have to get it.

Is that a question for me? As CCP seems to be giving the free hand outs to Null or have they suddenly put tech moons in lo-sec or wormholes?

I'll answer to you the obvious to this first part, it's a choice you made by yourself, therefore that choice has consequences and you have to assume them. But I understand it's far easier to call it "blobber warfare".

Now, I've got good news for you: there is tech in low sec but not in wh's. You can therefore fight for low sec tech without being a blobber, but once again it's your choice, no one is or will take decisions for you nor is or will assume consequences for you.

The choice is there, you either take it or leave it.
I'm not saying tech as it is implemented is the best way to do it, hell no, goons were the first ones to claim this for years and were joked about by those crying today.
But first things first, no one complained up until now, so where's the real problem? -tech, those holding it, those unable to take it back/get it or simply the way null sec mechanics are made of?
It's not players fault for playing the game the way it's intended, but it's players fault for not using or being unable to use the same in game tools to succeed, and I guess this is the point where we disagree.

The fact there needs to be something worth to fight for in null is undeniable, the way and what, that is another discussion way beyond my or your gaming knowledge but we can and should have an opinion about this, however point fingers at players playing the game the way it's intended it's calling the bad target.

I think I've answered completely to your different statements and think I'm being constructive/polite, but please be my guest to correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you for your constructive appreciation, however I would like you to answer a couple questions, if you please:

1-who or what is making so you can't take over a couple of those tech moons and systems?
*inability to attract players and recruit
*inability to find decent reimbursement programs so your grunts don't have to take it all from their pockets to defend YOUR & YOUR FRIENDS tr+ál+ál+á wallet
*inability to cooperate with other corporations, alliances without backstabbing each other

2-why should CCP handle your hand and give you for free what you can't afford?

3-what is preventing you from cooperation with those, despite getting spanked several times, are still over there and fight for their space? (props to these because fun playing it's better than forum crying about tech)

4-why do you need tech to live in null or have systems over there?

Goons didn't take their space in the first place. It was a gift from another alliance. If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever. It's always about meta gaming them, or some other form of meta gaming that they had no part in but took benefits from.

As for tech, it has dropped. 60K was the lowest Tech ever was. It's at 79 now.

Goons didn't take their space in the first place. It was a gift from another alliance. If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever. It's always about meta gaming them, or some other form of meta gaming that they had no part in but took benefits from.

As for tech, it has dropped. 60K was the lowest Tech ever was. It's at 79 now.

Oh and just to point out how wrong you are about that Goonswarm has actually been complaining about it since before it was introduced.

As to lo-sec, what system is it in?

So, to get back on the track, the problem is Goonswarm, CFC, PL, NC, EVOKE etc or game mechanic? -we're getting to the point you'll finally admit it's the game mechanic, the fact CFC works and get their objectives is by no means game exploit but intended game play.
Now what about changing this sterile discussion in to something more positive like providing feedback to CCP on dedicated thread so they can figure out what and how implement something worth to fight for?

As for low sec: schhhh I know a couple of these but if I tell you I have to kill you

-a little scan of systems under -3 will provide you all the information you need, I know it's tedious as hell but you can also check it out with Dotland

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever

Where did you get this idea that null sec ISN'T bout groups as large as the GSF? The CFC isn'g GSF, entire alliances made up of individual corps need to maintain working relationships in order for the CFC or any coalition to survive; that's PLAYERS WORKING TOGETHER IN NULL SEC.

Your ****** little corp, a part of just as crappy and little an alliance, isn't an EMPIRE.
CCP states null as being the place were PLAYERS build EMPIRES. Not guild housing.


The problem isn't mechanics, it's rediculous player expectation. If you think that null sec is there for little groups of people to "fight" their way into control of space, then you're doing it wrong.


Null sec is supposed to mirror NPC contoled high sec, but run by the players. CCP didn't make it possible to rercuit thousands of people into a single corp, and then connect that corp to multiple other corp of thousands of people so that a few dozen can do what several thousand can.

Stupidity apparently has no limit, because I see people crying about other people doing exactly what CCP wants them to do. If that's not stupid, then I'm to stupid to know what stupid is.

Goon, YOU'RE WRONG, AND SO IS CCP.
In the next few days, after 7 years of EVE in every sector from 1.0 to 0.0, this account and two others of players that started EVE with me in 2005 -2006 will cease to exist as paying accounts BECAUSE THERE IS NO "GAME" in EVE. The economic model that GIVES the game to the "monoliths" is what is "stupid", not the new subscribers that come to EVE expecting a game mechanism that allows them to participate. Until that is rectified, there will be no more money from these 3 accounts for EVE. Now please respond (as you predictably will) by flaming me "GTFO".... the only thing your attitude and CCP's has achieved is 3 fewer paying subs.

We just did.

Tribute is yellow now, not blue- quite a remarkable change; and it was a battle. I was in almost every single one of those fleets. That region was taken by blood and F1.

Nothing is given to anyone. The Goons took what they own from other people who had taken it from yet more. Goons are not the first superpower of this game and wont be the last.

Fixed that for you brosef.

There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions it would help.

Having fought and seen the destruction of at least four of the most powerful empires in our history and a score of others I have to say that today is no different than back then.

Who said I was mad? Im just stating facts, I am perfectly calm, and actually i agree with you.

Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not. Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.

Sadly eve is becoming controlled by a few coalitions, is this really the way eve should be going? Chinese server perhaps?