Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles

So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price.

I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then

Nerf goons thread # blahblahblahblahnerfgoonsblahblahblahwaaaaaaaaaaa

Nothings changed?

When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered.

The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit.


Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.

no it was not what a load of rubbish is was not much different to now

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16649#history

no it was not what a load of rubbish is was not much different to now

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16649#history

So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price.

I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then

Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue.

My alliance holds over 50 tech moons, adding that functional knowledge with that fancy market tab called Price History, then setting it to "6 Months" allows you to see back to June 2nd where the price was about 190k/unit. If you take a look at that tab it'll tell you how wrong you are and I wont have to waste anymore words doing it.


Short of that I can post a screen shot of the price history tab on the market window and show you and everybody else how wrong you are.

EDIT: Too late somebody else already posted the market window, showing you how wrong you are.

well it didnt really did it. There where a few dyspro and prom moons IN ALL Regions. Now there is sweet FA in the south and its all in the north. Plus there was nowhere near the same amount of dyspro moons etc compared to tech now

There are in fact tech moons in the south (3+ that I know of), but you are right, there are a TON more dyspro and prom moons in the game then there are tech, and most players did in fact point this out, at the time of the change the NC held nearly all those moons, we pointed them out as conflict drivers when spread around the game but the Devs at the time just brushed off what we were telling them, ignored us, and put the changes in anyway.

The end result was that fight starters around the game were made useless and all the wealth of the game was concentrated in one section of the map.

Those of us who were smart decided to get us a piece of that pie since they weren't going to do anything about how broken they were making it.

Don't hold a grudge against the players who sought out and made homes and strongholds around where the money was, don't get mad and say that the alchemy changes haven't changed tech, get mad at the developers who ignored what the players told them would happen 2 years ago for stifling again and again fights around the game by hamfisting changes and refusing to review them for years after their poor implementation wreaks havoc on the game, I'm looking at you Dominion Sov and Tech changes.

Hate to tell you, but the Tec problem existed ( concentration of moons in one region) long before Goons ever got deklien, in fact mittens even addressed the problem so don't blame goons blame CCP for the footdragging on this issue.

What's even funnier was Goonswarm holding Delve (i.e. the region with the most Dyspro/Prom) when the changes came :v

But no, totally biased decision purely to benefit Devswarm. Glad this guy's on the case! Imagine the damage he'll do once he realizes how to make market history go back farther than 5 days!

Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price

Riiiight, Tech didn't drop from over 200k at one point to less than 80k today because of CCP's alchemy changes. Somehow this managed to happen even though most of the tech is actually in far fewer hands now than it was at its peak. Explain this to us, oh market wizard!

Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.

Look I admitted the mistake on the price. So go chill.... Again however that CCP Change wasnt the cause of that dip in price

Ah right so you are telling me that everyone managed to moon mine all those minerals and do the reactions, to such an amount in such a small time to cause that dip?

Please stop now before you do start to look a little silly now..

To be fair that would and will be true without Tech given their numbers. You could argue that Tech gave them a lot of those numbers, but that would be suppositional and irrelevant at this point.

Except it was.

That's usually how these things happen. Nerf announced, people act accordingly. It's not like reactions are some kind of foreign thing, or that nobody was mining platinum or cobalt before this was announced.

Besides, you skipped the fundamental part of my question. If the drop in prices (not dip, drop, the drop has been happening pretty much since CCP Fozzie's devblog mid-July) was not caused by alchemy changes but instead by (insert your own batshit reason here), wouldn't that price be on its way back up now that most of the tech in the game is quite literally consolidated by one coalition? Especially one that would most definitely be fixing prices if it were at all able to?

and the second quote, again the price dropped in a matter of a couple of weeks, it would be impossible to moon mine such an amount to be produced via reactions in that time to make an impact on the market
n just a couple of weeks.

Speculation caused the initial sharp decline (note: speculation caused by the alchemy nerf). It rose for a while once the Tribute War started (first step was attacking NCdot's Tech in Venal/Tribute, which naturally caused a drop in supply), but once that subsided (and actual alchemy no doubt kicked in), it started dropping again, and currently sits even lower than it was during that initial downwards slope.

Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.

Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.

Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread

We have been forced to give swimming lessons to our accountants so that they dont drown in the money bin.

Exactly, so the 'speculation' caused it, not by people actually producing anything to make it happen. Therefore the 'actual' change didnt cause that to happen. I doubt tbh its had that much impact even now.

It would be good to see the stats from CCP, however its still damn high, and I think the intended changes was supposed to have a much bigger impact. Like maybe bringing tech to 30K or something. Maybe I am wrong. But it would also be good to know what CCP expected the market price to drop to after this implementation.
If they knew it was going to drop only a little then that didnt really solve the problem then did it.

Speculation does not create slow and steady devaluation.

Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not

They can always go out and scan the 160,000+ moons ingame and find the undiscovered, undocumented ones. You know- like the people who moan about tech in the north and wish that it rotated, depleted or revolved in some random manner.

Any idiot that wants moon mats to rotate, doesn't have the mental capacity to realize the unintended consequences of that happening.

care to explain what that is?

care to explain what that is?

reported, your sad little angry comments are not needed...

Ever scan a moon? It sucks. Scanning an entire system sucks even worse. Scanning an entire region should be banned by the Geneva Convention.

Having to re-scan entire regions every X amount of time would be torturous, and few would bother with it. The biggest advantage would no doubt be granted to the biggest groups of players (the ones that can afford to outsource the scanning to what few rank-and-file members are insane enough to want to), who would no doubt seek to grow even larger to cover that much more territory under their umbrella, either for maximising potential future moons (and/or denying them to others). The mechanic itself would also cause scarcity issues with moon minerals, so hoep u like high T2 prices!

tl;dr if you want to see even bigger blobs of people getting one day closer to quitting Eve forever while T2 prices skyrocket, support this idea. You may also want to look into getting your Grade 10.

Probing out a system is a pain, but I think you're exaggerating a tad. If a corp of say 10 people set about documenting a region of moons it can be done fairly quickly without anyone committing suicide. I mean some people actually mine, so whatever..

Have you ever done this? Serious question.

Yes sir.

Edit: Have you?

An entire region? No, my eyes started to bleed after 3 systems. I just think you're severely exaggerating how quickly an entire region scan takes without an incredible amount of poopsocking.

Well if you can stand 3 systems and you have some friends who can also stand 3 systems................It's not so bad. That's the whole point isn't it. Working with a group of people to achieve a goal.

Alliances could pay (and possibly do idk) x amount per system scanned and documented. .

Obviously no one person does it. That's why I said the entire system would swing even more in favour of larger blobs, as they can easily afford to not only pay a flat reward per scanned system, but they can have a far larger playerbase to get it done faster.

Besides, scanning's only one part of the hassle. Shifting towers around is far more annoying, and due to the nature of POS roles/etc, it can only be done by people with appropriate standings, as opposed to the large crowdsourced scanning. Even having to repeat that once a year is one time too many.

Nothings changed?

When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered.

The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit.


Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.

Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles

Ever scan a moon? It sucks. Scanning an entire system sucks even worse. Scanning an entire region should be banned by the Geneva Convention.

Having to re-scan entire regions every X amount of time would be torturous, and few would bother with it. The biggest advantage would no doubt be granted to the biggest groups of players (the ones that can afford to outsource the scanning to what few rank-and-file members are insane enough to want to), who would no doubt seek to grow even larger to cover that much more territory under their umbrella, either for maximising potential future moons (and/or denying them to others). The mechanic itself would also cause scarcity issues with moon minerals, so hoep u like high T2 prices!

tl;dr if you want to see even bigger blobs of people getting one day closer to quitting Eve forever while T2 prices skyrocket, support this idea. You may also want to look into getting your Grade 10.

So you are basically saying you are too lazy to go actually scan moons in order to generate billions per month? Seriously? It must be the easiest way to make ISK ever. I would gladly scan a region knowing i got a good chance to hit 10 moons or more that will give me a few hundred bill income a month...

Wow. You almost have the whole thing in your mouth this time.

Nerf goons thread # blahblahblahblahnerfgoonsblahblahblahwaaaaaaaaaaa

What this guy said.

+ you can get all the tech you want, you just need to fight for it, if you don't for whatever reason then it's not a CCP problem but yours.

What this guy said.

+ you can get all the tech you want, you just need to fight for it, if you don't for whatever reason then it's not a CCP problem but yours.

Frankly a really rubish answer -1.

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

Thank you for your constructive appreciation, however I would like you to answer a couple questions, if you please:

1-who or what is making so you can't take over a couple of those tech moons and systems?
*inability to attract players and recruit
*inability to find decent reimbursement programs so your grunts don't have to take it all from their pockets to defend YOUR & YOUR FRIENDS tr+ál+ál+á wallet
*inability to cooperate with other corporations, alliances without backstabbing each other

2-why should CCP handle your hand and give you for free what you can't afford?

3-what is preventing you from cooperation with those, despite getting spanked several times, are still over there and fight for their space? (props to these because fun playing it's better than forum crying about tech)

4-why do you need tech to live in null or have systems over there?

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

I will answer the first bit for you. Just because there is a dole payment does not mean I want to be unemployed, just like here there is a welfare payment from CCP but I wouldn't want to be a blobber to have to get it.

Is that a question for me? As CCP seems to be giving the free hand outs to Null or have they suddenly put tech moons in lo-sec or wormholes?

I'll answer to you the obvious to this first part, it's a choice you made by yourself, therefore that choice has consequences and you have to assume them. But I understand it's far easier to call it "blobber warfare".

Now, I've got good news for you: there is tech in low sec but not in wh's. You can therefore fight for low sec tech without being a blobber, but once again it's your choice, no one is or will take decisions for you nor is or will assume consequences for you.

The choice is there, you either take it or leave it.
I'm not saying tech as it is implemented is the best way to do it, hell no, goons were the first ones to claim this for years and were joked about by those crying today.
But first things first, no one complained up until now, so where's the real problem? -tech, those holding it, those unable to take it back/get it or simply the way null sec mechanics are made of?
It's not players fault for playing the game the way it's intended, but it's players fault for not using or being unable to use the same in game tools to succeed, and I guess this is the point where we disagree.

The fact there needs to be something worth to fight for in null is undeniable, the way and what, that is another discussion way beyond my or your gaming knowledge but we can and should have an opinion about this, however point fingers at players playing the game the way it's intended it's calling the bad target.

I think I've answered completely to your different statements and think I'm being constructive/polite, but please be my guest to correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you for your constructive appreciation, however I would like you to answer a couple questions, if you please:

1-who or what is making so you can't take over a couple of those tech moons and systems?
*inability to attract players and recruit
*inability to find decent reimbursement programs so your grunts don't have to take it all from their pockets to defend YOUR & YOUR FRIENDS tr+ál+ál+á wallet
*inability to cooperate with other corporations, alliances without backstabbing each other

2-why should CCP handle your hand and give you for free what you can't afford?

3-what is preventing you from cooperation with those, despite getting spanked several times, are still over there and fight for their space? (props to these because fun playing it's better than forum crying about tech)

4-why do you need tech to live in null or have systems over there?

Goons didn't take their space in the first place. It was a gift from another alliance. If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever. It's always about meta gaming them, or some other form of meta gaming that they had no part in but took benefits from.

As for tech, it has dropped. 60K was the lowest Tech ever was. It's at 79 now.

Goons didn't take their space in the first place. It was a gift from another alliance. If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever. It's always about meta gaming them, or some other form of meta gaming that they had no part in but took benefits from.

As for tech, it has dropped. 60K was the lowest Tech ever was. It's at 79 now.

Oh and just to point out how wrong you are about that Goonswarm has actually been complaining about it since before it was introduced.

As to lo-sec, what system is it in?

So, to get back on the track, the problem is Goonswarm, CFC, PL, NC, EVOKE etc or game mechanic? -we're getting to the point you'll finally admit it's the game mechanic, the fact CFC works and get their objectives is by no means game exploit but intended game play.
Now what about changing this sterile discussion in to something more positive like providing feedback to CCP on dedicated thread so they can figure out what and how implement something worth to fight for?

As for low sec: schhhh I know a couple of these but if I tell you I have to kill you

-a little scan of systems under -3 will provide you all the information you need, I know it's tedious as hell but you can also check it out with Dotland

Just to query, there is a realistic chance of this happening?
Not one of those, assuming you get sufficiently large group of people things or the Goons decide to let you have it for a few months then take it all back over night?

If you think about it, Goons haven't beaten a large alliance in EVE using space ships... ever

Where did you get this idea that null sec ISN'T bout groups as large as the GSF? The CFC isn'g GSF, entire alliances made up of individual corps need to maintain working relationships in order for the CFC or any coalition to survive; that's PLAYERS WORKING TOGETHER IN NULL SEC.

Your ****** little corp, a part of just as crappy and little an alliance, isn't an EMPIRE.
CCP states null as being the place were PLAYERS build EMPIRES. Not guild housing.


The problem isn't mechanics, it's rediculous player expectation. If you think that null sec is there for little groups of people to "fight" their way into control of space, then you're doing it wrong.


Null sec is supposed to mirror NPC contoled high sec, but run by the players. CCP didn't make it possible to rercuit thousands of people into a single corp, and then connect that corp to multiple other corp of thousands of people so that a few dozen can do what several thousand can.

Stupidity apparently has no limit, because I see people crying about other people doing exactly what CCP wants them to do. If that's not stupid, then I'm to stupid to know what stupid is.

Goon, YOU'RE WRONG, AND SO IS CCP.
In the next few days, after 7 years of EVE in every sector from 1.0 to 0.0, this account and two others of players that started EVE with me in 2005 -2006 will cease to exist as paying accounts BECAUSE THERE IS NO "GAME" in EVE. The economic model that GIVES the game to the "monoliths" is what is "stupid", not the new subscribers that come to EVE expecting a game mechanism that allows them to participate. Until that is rectified, there will be no more money from these 3 accounts for EVE. Now please respond (as you predictably will) by flaming me "GTFO".... the only thing your attitude and CCP's has achieved is 3 fewer paying subs.

We just did.

Tribute is yellow now, not blue- quite a remarkable change; and it was a battle. I was in almost every single one of those fleets. That region was taken by blood and F1.

Nothing is given to anyone. The Goons took what they own from other people who had taken it from yet more. Goons are not the first superpower of this game and wont be the last.

Fixed that for you brosef.

There comes a point in every online game where a big fish forms in the pond. If they added a new region every few expansions it would help.

Having fought and seen the destruction of at least four of the most powerful empires in our history and a score of others I have to say that today is no different than back then.

Who said I was mad? Im just stating facts, I am perfectly calm, and actually i agree with you.

Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not. Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.

Sadly eve is becoming controlled by a few coalitions, is this really the way eve should be going? Chinese server perhaps?

So you are basically saying you are too lazy to go actually scan moons in order to generate billions per month? Seriously? It must be the easiest way to make ISK ever. I would gladly scan a region knowing i got a good chance to hit 10 moons or more that will give me a few hundred bill income a month...

Nothings changed?

When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered.

The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit.


Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.

Yep. More of the same.
Technetium - Nothing Changed
From Inside POS AoE doomsdays to Tech. They don't make changed until the 'damage' is done.

Most MMO's it is about big fish but in EVE it was more about last man standing.

Fixed that for you brosef.

And yet, none of that stuff stopped a small band of terrorists from not only holding venal but attacking them whenever we wanted for years.

Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles

Lets be real, you guys were never "A small band of terrorists" even if you pretended to be.

Lets be real, you guys were never "A small band of terrorists" even if you pretended to be. Not to say it wasn't smart to let people underestimate you when the time was right. Those days are gone now though.

I must have been dreaming when BoB beat the living snot out of the Goons and they quit for a time, over something to do with mocking a dead player, when Molle famously declared that there will never be an EvE where Goons would be allowed to build back up. There wasn't any pretending there, it certainly looked like a massacre. They came back with better, more focused leadership than they'd had before, and a BoB director who wanted to have some fun. Whether they would be where they are today if that director hadn't helped is anyone's guess.

Wow. You almost have the whole thing in your mouth this time.

Still waiting on that writeup from you about how NCdot beat the northern coalition through the power of small gangs instead of blueing up every russian they could find that bore a grudge.

Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not. Say in your instance do you think any new alliances or even alliances that are 2 years old can ever stand up or compete with PL or CFC or HBC. Of course they cant and never will be able to.

I'm not gonna bother reading the whole thread, but this made me laugh out loud. You realize that TEST is only 2 years old, right?