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Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
23
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:50:00 -
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I don't see what's great about the article: isn't it just a bunch of unfortunate anecdotes grouped together by an arbitrary theme? There are plenty of people who've had bad experiences at work: picking a filter through which to view those anecdotes doesn't create a compelling argument or expose a deep, dark conspiracy. Yes, some people have overheard men making foolish comments about women: I've heard plenty of women making similar comments about men. Loaded questions get loaded responses, and the fact that bigoted men exist in the labour force does not make an entire industry institutionally bigoted. Some of the responses are factually uintrue: no one can claim that the Tomb Raider games weren't marketed well.
Then we have a brief nosstalgia trip for point and click adventures. I liked them too - plenty of people did, many of them men - and they didn't decline because they were too girly for a "dudified" world. It was a simple case of a cool, but limited concept reaching the natural end of its lifespan. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1015
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:02:00 -
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Yes, it's unfortunate that the article at themittani.com utterly lacked focus or a point, imho. It pretty much says to be quiet AND don't band together, all at the same time.
More pressure to smother coming from one side of the equation.
Here is my half-baked response over there:
"As a 47 y.o. gay male, I actually found this to be a poorly written article with no clear point.
My 2 cents is that until the white heterosexual male population finally decides to grow up and leave their illusion of self-entitlement to hostile and vulgar language and attitutes, these types of groups will be (and always have been historically) necessary.
It is their own fault that the situation even exists, and it is not the burden of these sub-groups to be the ones to adapt which is what I gather the article is trying to say.
The two corps I first joined before starting my own wound up being very accepting of me, and in fact the necessity of me coming out had only to do with the rampant misuse of the word "gay" in Local as applied to anything "bad". I absolutely had to say something. And when they found out about me it utterly stopped and embarrassment was all around.
We are all better than our language and attitudes....most of the time.
K I
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Skorpynekomimi
271
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:18:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: I let my girlfriend (not the inflatable one...never the 2 shall meet) pick out my clothes and never had any negative feedback.
Maybe she should have picked out your avatar's clothing and hair, as well? |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
507
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:33:00 -
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I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me. Oh god. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:35:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me.
Why should a woman have to be exceedingly good at something to avoid harassment and stereotyping? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
671
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:36:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me.
So in order to destroy discrimination we should all just be less bad at EVE? Really?
edit: Snow Axe beat me to it
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1017
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:42:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me.
THIS was Julia Childs' strategy when entering the male exclusive Cordon Bleu back in the day. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1017
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:43:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me. Why should a woman have to be exceedingly good at something to avoid harassment and stereotyping? Hell, go a step farther and replace "woman" with any group that's a target of harassment, if you like.
They shouldn't have to be. It's a male observational andleadership perception issue that seemingly demands it. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
507
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:44:00 -
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I don't know about discrimination, it's never affected me and I've been playing online games since I was 8. Maybe I just don't feel it's a big deal or maybe I just don't put myself in a position where I'm open to it. Maybe I just take it for granted because I often make people really mad. Oh god. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1017
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:50:00 -
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Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back:
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html
"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic." RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
508
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:56:00 -
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Well yeah, there is that. I'd take it for granted that if a female goes on comms, she could expect that kind of reaction, especially in bigger alliance fleets. You have a fair point, females shouldn't have to shy away from going on comms because of this kind of thing happening. I guess that is a form of discrimination. Oh god. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
672
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."
Kinda liked what Goons go about doing in EVE, until I read that. What else don't I know about these people? I would like to think that attitude isn't representative of the rest of the community, but is a great example of the overall problem.
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Muestereate
Oneida Inc.
76
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:58:00 -
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I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well. In each of us is some of the other sex. I think it takes the form of the subconscious Its probably the subconscious that determines real gender orientation and inclinations towards particular kind of actions.
Much is known about the male ego. We often like to follow a hero type pattern laid out in the Greek stories and is well documented and the worlds literature reflects this in action adventure stories and movies. Less is known about the woman's inner psyche. One of its main cores is the elements of mystery. I believe the Greek story about the Minotaur is one of a maze. When I read works by women authors, the elements of maze and mystery recur as a meta theme.
Emma Jung wrote a couple readable essays on Jung's Anima and Animus. For the male side she stuck to her husbands framework but for the woman's side She broke ground because she was herself a woman. She was at least readable.
Unfortunately someone bought the book out of the bookstore and I haven't been able to finish it. I think it was the Blue haired girl that looks like a crossgendered EVE character. :)
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1018
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:00:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Well yeah, there is that. I'd take it for granted that if a female goes on comms, she could expect that kind of reaction, especially in bigger alliance fleets. You have a fair point, females shouldn't have to shy away from going on comms because of this kind of thing happening. I guess that is a form of discrimination.
Oh it most definitely is.
These guys just feel they have a 'right' to behave however they will, whether from lack of upbringing or something deeply psychological I don't think we will ever really know. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Xenuria
Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
626
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."
Goons are like that... Xenuria CSM 8 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1018
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:01:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.
You blew it RIGHT there with that. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Demolishar
United Aggression
480
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:03:00 -
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This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
672
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:06:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.
Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy?
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
831
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:08:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.
Well, lets get Peter Noone here to share them with us. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |

Demolishar
United Aggression
480
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:17:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments. Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy?
Aggressive denial of the possibility you might be wrong. In essence, THIS:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Muestereate wrote: I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.
You blew it RIGHT there with that.
Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
672
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:20:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments. Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy? Aggressive denial of the possibility you might be wrong. In essence, THIS: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Muestereate wrote: I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.
You blew it RIGHT there with that. Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.
I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
480
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:24:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote: I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.
I understand the first part of your argument is known as "denial" and the second is "ad hominem". |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
672
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:26:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.
I understand the first part of your argument is known as "denial" and the second is "ad hominem".
See, you're trolling. If you could be so kind as to neatly list everything you believe is wrong, I would be more than happy to school you (as I once did on Transgender issues), unless the rest of the rational thinkers would be inclined to do so.
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
609
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:26:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.
The article in question was actual tales of women who do or did work in the gaming industry and the harassment they received for it. They weren't women who "trended towards a different thing". They wanted to do this, and were treated terribly on account of their gender because of it. Taking a broad focus of what men may trend towards instead of women is missing the point entirely - that there ARE women who want to do these things that are seen as traditionally "men" things and get treated terribly when they do, regardless of how capable they are. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Demolishar
United Aggression
480
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:42:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Demolishar wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.
I understand the first part of your argument is known as "denial" and the second is "ad hominem". See, you're trolling. If you could be so kind as to neatly list everything you believe is wrong, I would be more than happy to school you (as I once did on Transgender issues), unless the rest of the rational thinkers would be inclined to do so.
You're assuming you're right from the start. I actually feel that there's more positive discrimination towards females in this game than negative. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1018
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:42:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.
We wouldn't care about a Troll's Criteria for 'reasonable' anyway........... RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
610
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:45:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:You're assuming you're right from the start. I actually feel that there's more positive discrimination towards females in this game than negative.
Sometimes an emoticon says what words cannot. In this case:
              
"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Demolishar
United Aggression
480
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments. We wouldn't care about a Troll's Criteria for 'reasonable' anyway...........
Reasonable assumes lack of bias. I base my arguments on personal observation rather than opinions and feelings. You should try it rather than just resorting to insults and denial. |

Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
164
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:47:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me.
Your mileage may vary. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1018
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:47:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Demolishar wrote:This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments. Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy? Aggressive denial of the possibility you might be wrong. In essence, THIS: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Muestereate wrote: I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.
You blew it RIGHT there with that. Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.
So you still think that women can't do some things as well as a guy. The only thing I can think of is women (most) are not built for PowerLifting, but that's about it. And that is not necessary for survivial in society anyway. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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