We need more female gamers to even the testosterone out.

/c

Reality check.

Women are more cutthroat and vindictive and by far the more deadly of the sex's.
The trade off is generally they are smaller in RL then men.
That disadvantage is removed in video games.

An entirely women run alliance, ummm null-sec should prey they never see one.

You're assuming you're right from the start. I actually feel that there's more positive discrimination towards females in this game than negative.

Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html

"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."

So you still think that women can't do some things as well as a guy. The only thing I can think of is women (most) are not built for PowerLifting, but that's about it. And that is not necessary for survivial in society anyway.

Reasonable assumes lack of bias. I base my arguments on personal observation rather than opinions and feelings. You should try it rather than just resorting to insults and denial.

LOL, very true. I can remember being in a Bobby Atlas fleet, we had a full fleet 250 +, A female speaks up......it took a good minute or two to get the kids under control, was so sad it was funny.

The worst part is some of them could not let go of the fact a woman was there, they kept hosing comm discipline trying to make a date with the girl. She showed good humor about it, but didn't last long after that. I have no idea how many personal convos she got, but it was probably quite a bit worse than the public chatter.

You'd think a lot of Eve players have never seen a girl, much less touched one, are things really that bad out there?

I'd class this as positive discrimination. That sort of thing can easily be turned to "worship" which can then be exploited for monetary gain. Case in point that one time Garmon "fell in love" with Mintchip and gave her 190 billion isk. Would never have happened if she was a dude.

So we are back in the Middle Ages when women were 'worshipped' and put 'on a pedestal' of chivalry ? My God.

Yes, that's exactly what I infer from the above quote. And like I said, it can be exploited to the huge advantage of the woman involved! If I had that sort of opportunity handed to me I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining!

I guess this sort of thing goes both ways.

I don't think that it's because you're a gay man - it's probably just because you pay more attention. Or maybe the fact that you aren't a misogynistic dumbass stuck in the 1950s.

Though, to be fair, I don't really think most men are that misogynistic - just clueless about the fact that other people might not like being virtually harassed just because they have boobs.

I want to take a moment to point out that it should not be a internet forum or an article on a website that defines a persons gender. It should be the person themselves that defines their own gender.

Gender is not a tangible thing that you can just pick up and put in a box or on a shelf somewhere. Gender is not something easily measured, like most forums of identity it is specific to a person and part of a larger spectrum of expression.

Spectrum being the key word here.



This statement is bad m'kay.

I don't need an article telling me how I should identify. It should not be considered an "oddity" that I proposed the formation of TGoE.

Dude I've witnessed just as many women USE their gender to gain goodies in games. Schmooze with the guildmaster, start drama between two nerds, etc. So don't give me this "total victim" crap please. I find that women who want to be left alone don't go making thread posts about them being a woman.

EVE is a highly competitive game against other people. This lends itself to catering to highly male attitudes.

The issue is that highly competitive females on par with the male competitive attitudes in EVE aren't interested in video games in general. They are interested in more tangible competitive rewards (better job, better partner, better children, better athletes, etc). That can be taken as a positive aspect.

So when women get turned off from EVE, it's because boys are pretty flexible in how they get their intake of testosterone driven competition. The women that are interested in EVE are basically in the boys locker room.

I don't really see this changing, and it would require women to basically rally around and form female only organizations, just like there is a female football, female hockey, female, etc leagues.

Do we consider those sports sexist for generally not accepting women? Or vice versa, should we consider female-only sports to be sexist for not accepting male competitors?

You blew it RIGHT there with that.

So you still think that women can't do some things as well as a guy. The only thing I can think of is women (most) are not built for PowerLifting, but that's about it. And that is not necessary for survivial in society anyway.

Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html

"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."

You know I still think it's crazy that a handful of people meander into a thread, mostly about something they've never experienced, just to share an irrelevant opinion or justify something that a decent human being wouldn't be okay with. Not just this thread, any thread that doesn't agree with the straight white male privilege.

Meaning that everything's mostly okay for you, so you don't feel any empathy for those who have less or aren't as fortunate. And you'll fight tooth and nail to keep things from shifting out of your favor.

I certainly hope you're not referring to my post.
Seeing as I wasn't justifying anything.

No I'm just reflecting on my experiences as of late.

Why worry about what people do and why?

You blew it RIGHT there with that.

Are you people seriously arguing RL gender equality in an internet game...?