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while economicaly i fully understand how Goons can make looooot of isk on ice (i guess their miners are working very hard now).

OUR ICE-MINING BACKBONE

Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........

Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........

Thank you, Khanh, antigoone, Grizznit, and the others that posted legitimate tactics. I learned more about EvE PvP creating this thread, then I did with 17 hours worth of guides.

HiddenSnake, like the idea of hitting them in the stats. Like you admitted, not all of them care, but some of them might. Also, about the Blackbird; that might work. However, the Goons might be fitting ECCM, but it's still worth a shot. It's a Blackbird, dime a dozen, but still bloody dangerous.

Khanh, bringing the right tool for the right job is key. But often, especially in EvE, you don't have it. You need 3 RR spider BS, but you have 2 Drakes and an AF. Or you need a Kitsune, but no one in your crew can fly one. And the list goes on. Even well-prepared enemies can't have the right tool immediately on hand all the time. There may be 7 Goons online in that system, but the nearest Alphapest is 6 systems out, and you might be able to wait for him, but the first sui-gank failed against that Hulk and already cost you a 'Tix and a 'Rax. And your instincts are telling you reinforcements are in route, but you don't know what. What then? Do you have the 'Pest come anyway, knowing he might miss a juicy target in his own system?

I make no assumptions, nor would I base tactics off of such things. However, as a general, or a soldier, you often DON'T have the tool. You may be able to call for it, but your enemy may be able to call for a counter-tool, then you have escalation. If your enemy doesn't call for a counter-tool, but just whines in local, then yeah, you won. But if they wind up with more counter-tools then you have, then you might lose. Real warfare isn't really so rock-paper-scissors, but superior weapons or numbers can often overwhelm superior tactics. If you don't have superior weapons or numbers, then you need to dream up superior tactics. Sometimes, you don't have a wrench for that SAE bolt, so you break out a hammer and chisel instead. Sometimes it works; sometimes, you mess up the bolt, but get it out anyways. Sometimes the bolt's too rusty, and you just dull the chisel.

Don't know if it will continue, but per prices in Jita, looks like Goon is either losing interest, or miners are getting more and more dangerous. Hopefully, a combo of the two. Fly violently all.

There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :(

The more u cry.
The more they do it.

maybe you should fly a brutix like the pr0s

It would take about 12-15 T2-fitted Battleships firing at you simultaneousely to take your orca out

Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........

Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers.

Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers.

Confirming that this is a brilliant strategy that nobody has ever tried before. I look forward to the many tears shed by our supercap pilots.

I propose that rather than being an idiotic carebear who has no idea about how spaceship violence works, Luzia Breen is in fact a goon alt who is intentionally trying to trick ice miners into doing incredibly stupid crap that won't actually help them by posting horribly bad suggestions and generally erroneous information that won't do anything to improve their survivability with the intent of further wasting the time and resources of ice miners.

If this is the case then the man who owns that alt is a genius. If not and Luzia's comments are actually those of a real highsec ice miner then the ice miners have no hope and should just give up.