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Little Buddha
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Posted - 2005.05.03 22:01:00 -
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For a very long time, I was a PC-only kind of person...
Then I discovered Macs...
Now I only use my PC for games...
And more and more, I only turn it up to play Eve...
So...
Any chances of Eve running under Os X?
Or am I the only one interested?
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Chucky
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Posted - 2005.05.03 22:09:00 -
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There was a thread on this not to long ago, I think the consenses was no Anyone know the search engine link?
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Joe
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Posted - 2005.05.03 22:11:00 -
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do mac's still only have 1 mouse button?
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Woopie
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Posted - 2005.05.03 22:11:00 -
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You're not the only one, but unfortunately CCP decided to couple EVE tightly with the Direct X suit, that along with other things.
So ..
It is unlikely that it will be ported (near future at least). There is some dev blog on this subject though, don't remember what it says.
And no you can NOT run it through any type of emulation*, depite what some less enlightened people may think.
*on the mac, works for linux (on x86 only)
Sowy
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.05.03 22:14:00 -
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yep, and no mouse wheel
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Chucky
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Posted - 2005.05.03 22:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Joe
do mac's still only have 1 mouse button?
I think so, pity too
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Nagarutu Mishima
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Posted - 2005.05.03 23:34:00 -
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Im happy to inform that you can without problem use a standard usb mouse, with two buttons and a wheel on a macintosh machine without any problems.
Accually i use it myself, i feel that it have the right amount of buttons if they someday convert eve to mac.. (i want to kill you with my apple machine)
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Puncher
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Posted - 2005.05.04 00:00:00 -
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OS Porting Dev Blog
Eve on Virtual PC?
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Mirirar
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Posted - 2005.05.04 00:05:00 -
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Please god no.
I'd much prefer to see development resources spent on additional game content and more PC client improvements.
To not spend money on that would be crazy, and they know that. :)
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.05.04 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Little Buddha
Any chances of Eve running under Os X?
Or am I the only one interested?
You really must be new to MAC. 
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Taize
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Posted - 2005.05.04 01:09:00 -
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i once saw a d00d in 0.0 who had his Mac specs in his bio and it also said he was running eve on it...maybe he was lying but maybe he was doing something right...Emulation most likely but i dont remember tbh...
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.05.04 05:06:00 -
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Please god no.
I'd much prefer to see development resources spent on additional game content and more PC client improvements.
I hate selfish players. Because this is what it translates into:
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NO! I don't want my money being used to make other players happy. You should only focus on the extra cool features I want and not what other players want. I matter, they don't.
Far far too many of us want a Linux port for you to dare act selfish about wasted costs.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.04 05:14:00 -
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NO! I don't want my money being used to make other players happy. You should only focus on the extra cool features I want and not what other players want. I matter, they don't.
Thats exactly the way all people think, and there's nothing wrong with it. Its called 'egoism' btw.
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.05.04 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Guardian Alpha on 04/05/2005 05:21:35
It's also the downfall of Germany during the second World War and egoism was the principle behind the Na zi party.
Drop the canned responce. Selfishness and egoism are destructive and unforgiving when used together. People forget that they are not the only ones playing this game, and that other Operating systems are in GREAT use besides their own.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.05.04 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Alpha
Edited by: Guardian Alpha on 04/05/2005 05:21:35
It's also the downfall of Germany during the second World War and egoism was the principle behind the Na zi party.
I don't think this has anything to do with the game...Or any operating system.
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.05.04 07:32:00 -
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I don't think this has anything to do with the game...Or any operating system.
Then you failed to read the entire thread, and why the one line you quoted from me fit into the rest of the thread. You get an F for the day.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.05.04 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Alpha
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I don't think this has anything to do with the game...Or any operating system.
Then you failed to read the entire thread, and why the one line you quoted from me fit into the rest of the thread. You get an F for the day.
Receiving a F from you honors me.
Combat : Your sentence missed Guardian Alpha's brain as the target no longer exists.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Alpha
Far far too many of us want a Linux port for you to dare act selfish about wasted costs.
I don't see that ever happening and it really would be a waste of resources. I like Linux (I run SuSE) and I like the fact that Little Bill doesn't own it but, unlike on alt.linux.advocacy, I can be realistic and see what a small proportion of the online gaming players run Linux.
The figures are against it, no matter how vocal the Linux Gaming Minority may want to get about it.
There's always the virtual machine or WINE routes...
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:12:00 -
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Virtual Machine won't cut it, and you know that. WINE also doesn't emulate it properly, and CCP won't work with the Cedega team on improving it.
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I can be realistic and see what a small proportion of the online gaming players run Linux.
Realistic? There are over 2,000 signatures on a Cedega petition alone for a Linux port. Small minority of gamers is completely correct, but a good chunk of EVE players are primary Linux users. This isn't about advocacy, it's about people not giving the reason "omfg im so00 selfish" when it comes to a seperate group of EVE supporters and players.
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Epictetus
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:23:00 -
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I would also be very interested in a Mac port.
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KazTraZ
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:43:00 -
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If any of u want to get it ported then plz sign the petition:
Here
:)
ps i Bought me self Virtual PC 7 and it¦s a no no it wont run! and i have a new PowerBook "17 1gb Ram so i¦m sorry but i think the Virtual PC thingy is not going to work.
and another i have personaly contacted Aspyr.com who are experts in porting PC (Direc X) games over to Mac (OpenGL) and well i¦m stil waiting for a good responce but they have said that it¦s no immpossible :)
Sign and let¦s help the Mac user¦s come aboard our grate spaceship!
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:46:00 -
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I'd like to see a linux AND a mac port. I've signed the cedega petition as well.
I'd like to run the ONLY game I really play under the OS I prefer to use...until then, wintendo gets booted just for eve. The rest of the house is safely under Ubuntu. :)
(linux version I use for non-initiates.)
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:50:00 -
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I can see the Windows fans now:
"ANOTHER thread about this! Drop it already! It isn't going to happen!"
And they would be correct, this is another thread about users wanting ports to other operating systems and NOT improvement after improvement for a client that already works very well. But they would be incorrect in telling us to drop it.
You will see this topic happen again, and again, and again until CCP makes a native mac/linux port or at least WORKS WITH Cedega to get it running at least 90% of the native speed. The primary windows users may be tired of seeing this and wondering why oh why does this happen so often?
It happens because more and more players of EVE are linux users/mac users, and are stepping up out of the crowd to ask for a native client. Lock this thread, and more will take it's place in the future. In the end, no matter how much the Windows users elfishly whine, no matter how many times the threads like this get flamed because it's an "old topic".... the amount of people asking for a Linux/Mac client will continue to grow and grow.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2005.05.04 08:56:00 -
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Its not a matter of us linux users crying into the wind. Hellmar actually asked late last year about porting. There are those who blindly worship one OS or another. I don't. I prefer Linux for many reasons, some of which are pocket book related (no money for os, no money for antivirus, no worries about spam, better email, etc., etc.), but I use what gets the job done. From an economic angle, supporting mac/linux/windows makes sense as you broaden your player base.
There are windows users who use the excuse "fix the problems", but in an MMO, that is a moving target and a completely USELESS argument. An MMO will ALWAYS be changing. If the developers have the wherewithal and the time, we'll see a port eventually. If they don't have, we won't. All we can do is voice our desire and let the chips fall where they may. Hopefully they fall our way, as our devs are linux unix fans as well.....hell they use python to code. 
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.05.04 10:11:00 -
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You made your choice, good points and bad. Live with it.
CCP would be wasting their time on this.
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Shidhe
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Posted - 2005.05.04 10:32:00 -
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After spending a long time sorting out a desktop (it still isnt completely done) after security problems, it would be very nice to see a Mac port - but it isnt going to happen till there is a major graphics rewrite - and when CCP can justify that is anybodys guess.
For anybody writing a similar game from scratch now, the sensible thing would be to go for open standards, but the software industry has always had to deal with programs written some time ago, and adapt to them...
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fuze
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Posted - 2005.05.04 18:23:00 -
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If CCP would make a port to Mac would you pay a higher subscription fee?
Will take time and hence will take money to develop a client for another OS.
If they had written the game in OpenGL instead of DirectX it would have been much easier I guess.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.04 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
If CCP would make a port to Mac would you pay a higher subscription fee?
Will take time and hence will take money to develop a client for another OS.
If they had written the game in OpenGL instead of DirectX it would have been much easier I guess.
You guess correctly. But they didn't, so we don't have one. Oh well, it's not the end of the world.
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.05.04 18:48:00 -
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You guess correctly. But they didn't, so we don't have one. Oh well, it's not the end of the world.
-slap-
Don't you know anything about DirectX and OpenGL programming? Far too many good games (Doom 3, Half Life, Quake, Vendetta) have DirectX as their primary means of graphical processing, and insert OpenGL as a secondary attribute later on for ports to Mac and Linux, rather than replacing DX. This is not something difficult (I've done it on quite a few low-key games) and is only moreso needing the willpower to actually get it done. Porting is done very often, but the reason holding most devs back is that the fan-base they have refuses to have their money spent on anything else but improving upon their own lives.
Selfish.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.04 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Alpha
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You guess correctly. But they didn't, so we don't have one. Oh well, it's not the end of the world.
Don't you know anything about DirectX and OpenGL programming? Far too many good games (Doom 3, Half Life, Quake, Vendetta) have DirectX as their primary means of graphical processing, and insert OpenGL as a secondary attribute later on for ports to Mac and Linux, rather than replacing DX. This is not something difficult (I've done it on quite a few low-key games) and is only moreso needing the willpower to actually get it done. Porting is done very often, but the reason holding most devs back is that the fan-base they have refuses to have their money spent on anything else but improving upon their own lives.
Where in my post did I insinuate I knew anything about game development? I made a statement of fact which you've taken, downed three shots of tequila, and ran with.
That being said, it's all a matter of perspective. From the developer's perspective, it's within their best interest to stabilize a game on one platform instead of having to support it on two. Imagine if you will that we had an OS X version for the last year, and upgrading to 10.4 last friday breaks it for a large percentage of players in a case they didn't test for. Suddenly development effort must be spent on restabilizing a game client on one platform, taking away from ongoing enhancements to the game as a whole. Admittedly this is just speculation, as I have no internal knowledge of the inner workings of CCP's development strategies.
In no way did I state that this was impossible, but it's obvious choices have been made at some level which eventually landed a Windows-only client in our laps.
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