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Ademaro Imre
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Posted - 2005.07.18 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kickass
If you want us to NOT use missles then please just let us put our skill points into something else, and get rid of missles all together.
I like this idea. Sicne all missile trained players were nerfed to rookies status exept for old skill status, CCP should allow a one time skill point transfer of 200K increments to gunnery skills.
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2005.07.18 16:45:00 -
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i got 3M in missle skills plus 1M in caldari bs, does that mean i could transfer 4M into gunnery?
If so, tempting...
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Gunship
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Posted - 2005.07.18 17:54:00 -
[963]
Edited by: Gunship on 18/07/2005 17:54:00
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Originally by: Gunship CONGRATULATIONS TOMB, YOU HAVE MANAGED TO MAKE THE RAVEN COMPLETELY USELESS BOTH FOR NPC AND PVP!! OHH AND WHILE IM AT IT, THE STEALTH BOMBERS ARE EVEN WORSE NOW !!! GOOD NEWS ALL ROUND !!!
Anyone want to make bets that the above post will dissapear?
Nice job buddy. Yelling at the Devs wont accomplish anything. Come back with a nice post, NOT all in caps, stating some data and your reasoning in a mature fashion, and MAYBE it will be worth TomB's time.
Until then, you're making life harder for those of us who are actually trying to achieve a change through more constructive means.
OMG, another mature wannabee.... are you my father or mentor? did not think so, so go away please.
I played this game for 2 years with two accounts (only 1 now since CCP do one stupid thing after the other) so I feel I have the right to say whatever I wan't within the rules of normal free speach!!!!!
ALSO IN CAPS, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT 2 PAGES OF TEXT IS BETTER THAN TWO LINES SAYING IT ALL.......
ohh and another great CCP feature is that "ultra" or F11 safespots should no longer be allowed, but can they figure out to do that? guess someone else wrote that bit of code...
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:15:00 -
[964]
This thread is, and always has been, a joke. Right from the start there have been negative posts about the whole CONCEPT, but CCP soldiered stupidly on with their blinkered vision of the new missile system.
To release it now, unfettered from the overactive censorship that had previously been applied (I ask you, deleting an entire post because the logical, considered outcome WAS "WTS: Raven", regardless of how valid or useful the rest of the post may have been?), elevates it to some sort of farcical godhood.
This has been my single most disappointing experience within EVE. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * ========================================= |
Ronin Woman
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:31:00 -
[965]
We would have burns from all the flaming if it weren't for all the people crying. Ahaa "balance at last".
On a serious note though. I am curious as to why missle damage will swing from low 2 digit numbers to low 3 digit numbers from shot to shot.
That's a little vague, I know, but firing from a stationary position at the same target with the same launcher on auto fire & missle type, I'm getting a large variance [100+]in damage numbers. Anyone [no flames please, I gave up smoking] have an idea as to what factor I might not be considering here? |
Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:32:00 -
[966]
The missile overhaul has the potential to be good.
As it stands now, it's a bad joke, but I'm pretty confident the devs are aware of the problems and waiting for... something to fix the hardcoded figures that are: 1¦ Explosion radius 2¦ Size reduction equation 3¦ Speed reduction equation
I don't think they will change the bonuses on missile ships since it's too much work and would need long testings for too many ships to be balanced.
So I expect the system to stay as is, but with modified formulas and all will be good.
If I may give an advice, stop balancing things out with spreadsheets. Combat is no theoretical stuff and what looks great on paper often turns out awfull on the battlefield.
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Kaasta Karrde
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:49:00 -
[967]
After training some of the skills I'm slowly finding myself able to do some of the lvl4s again, albeit sometimes needing to change setup mid-mission.
The nerf still sucks ass on plenty of levels though.
Oh and whoever thought it was a good idea to reduce a 1.75M BS to 900k NEEDS to just stop listening to the ppl *****ing about the high amounts of ISK gained by lvl4s but thats another subject
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iNs4ne
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Posted - 2005.07.18 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: iNs4ne on 18/07/2005 19:23:51 Edited by: iNs4ne on 18/07/2005 19:23:17 Here's what i believe would "balance" things:
Current Raven bonus:
"Special Ability: 5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level."
could be changed to something like:
"Special Ability: 5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate Of Fire and -5% bonus to Missile Explosion Radius per level."
this i believe would return things a bit to normal, for the raven at least...
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.07.18 19:37:00 -
[969]
"to normal"
No, not really. The objective for this patch was to make the Raven more similar to a Battleship in how it performs in a random combat situation, which is NOT a sniper situation. Where the turret ships does no damage, the Raven does very little damage. This means the Raven should in fact no longer do very much damage at all to smaller ships. Since explosion radius directly and only affect large missile to smaller ship damage, then you are wading back into the old waters where Ravens deserved a 50% (or more) DECREASE in missile velocity due to overly effective damage on smaller ships, which was upsetting the most important form of combat in the game (PvP, as nowhere else is the odds so high). A Raven still has two slots left for turrets (if they are so uber) and still has a more than adequate drone bay. A far better thing to ask for is a 5% kinetic missile bonus on the Raven.
To all Raven-mission-runner-whiners out there I can only say one thing: welcome to the world of the mission running Megathron. Thank the light I have two accounts capable of battleships. (although I am worried about the NPC targeting behaviour I've heard about. Haven't had time to try missions lately) -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Josameto III - Moon 1 |
Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:13:00 -
[970]
I have serious doubts that the moderation on this topic has been relaxed much, if at all. I have my reasons for believing this, but even saying this much could get my post removed, from what i have seen.
Tread carefully, and be sure to say only POSITIVe things about the missiles changes.
I like the new missiles because they are pointy.
========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * ========================================= |
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:30:00 -
[971]
Originally by: Gunship Edited by: Gunship on 18/07/2005 17:54:00
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Originally by: Gunship CONGRATULATIONS TOMB, YOU HAVE MANAGED TO MAKE THE RAVEN COMPLETELY USELESS BOTH FOR NPC AND PVP!! OHH AND WHILE IM AT IT, THE STEALTH BOMBERS ARE EVEN WORSE NOW !!! GOOD NEWS ALL ROUND !!!
Anyone want to make bets that the above post will dissapear?
Nice job buddy. Yelling at the Devs wont accomplish anything. Come back with a nice post, NOT all in caps, stating some data and your reasoning in a mature fashion, and MAYBE it will be worth TomB's time.
Until then, you're making life harder for those of us who are actually trying to achieve a change through more constructive means.
OMG, another mature wannabee.... are you my father or mentor? did not think so, so go away please.
I played this game for 2 years with two accounts (only 1 now since CCP do one stupid thing after the other) so I feel I have the right to say whatever I wan't within the rules of normal free speach!!!!!
ALSO IN CAPS, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT 2 PAGES OF TEXT IS BETTER THAN TWO LINES SAYING IT ALL.......
ohh and another great CCP feature is that "ultra" or F11 safespots should no longer be allowed, but can they figure out to do that? guess someone else wrote that bit of code...
That tickles me pink. Sure you have the right to rant, but the devs and myself aren't required to listen.
As for calling me a wannabe etc, look bud, I'm the one that figured out the missile damage equation. I've been working digging up data, posting results, spending a pretty significant portion of time revealing the missile change faults in a very matter-of-fact manner. If you've read any of my threads or posts you would know that.
The problem is when people like you come into here, ranting and complaining, and make missile users look like a bunch of immature whiners. It doesn't help any changes get accomplished, it just results in a dev being that much less accepting of what mature missile-change posters have to say.
So save us your ranting and screaming. If you're looking to get the problem fixed you're barking up the wrong tree. Quit EVE and go back to playing CounterStrike.
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Serret
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK As for calling me a wannabe etc, look bud, I'm the one that figured out the missile damage equation. I've been working digging up data, posting results, spending a pretty significant portion of time revealing the missile change faults in a very matter-of-fact manner. If you've read any of my threads or posts you would know that.
It's proved. This man is uber. Someone please give him a cookie.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.19 01:11:00 -
[973]
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 19/07/2005 01:12:23
Hey, I'm not looking for recognition (or your sarcasm). I want my Cerberus to actually WORK. The whiners aren't helping any.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.19 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sorja on 19/07/2005 05:27:52
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I want my Cerberus to actually WORK. The whiners aren't helping any.
Go away troll! Your Cerberus can hit my Zealot for 75 dps (I have to fit an armor repairer because of you! that's a damage mod unfairly sacrified!) when I can't even lock you!
/sarcasm off
Heh, Electro, if you fly in the north, we could form the 'DCPC' (Disgruntled Cerberus Pilots Club) and spam missiles at gates just to make people freak out This is not quite a joke, I opened fire on a friend in his Zealot tonight from very far away when he didn't expect it and he went like 'OMG Sorja is pelting me with missiles, it's insane' on TS before noticing he could have tanked 3 like me Of course, a light missile explosion every second is impressive. But only impressive
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Murdock Jern
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Posted - 2005.07.19 07:30:00 -
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The change has clearly forced a change of tactics for me. No longer can I rely on missiles to handle short range targets.
I now use 250mm railguns and I would only use missiles on larger targets like cruisers and such... its a waste to use them on frigates because the damage is so negligible. I learned the hard way in 0.0 space yesterday.
Now, the plan is to use uber long range tactics with the railguns with missiles only being used for crusiers and above... close quarter combat, well they get to meet my lovely combat drones.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:20:00 -
[976]
bump
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Liare
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:34:00 -
[977]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi bump
OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TEH FUNNEY!
not
go away please.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:44:00 -
[978]
Originally by: Liare
Originally by: Kaylana Syi bump
OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TEH FUNNEY!
not
go away please.
nope...
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:48:00 -
[979]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Liare
Originally by: Kaylana Syi bump
OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TEH FUNNEY!
not
go away please.
nope...
No go away, or explain the need to post on a 6 month old topic
I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool?
Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:55:00 -
[980]
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Liare
Originally by: Kaylana Syi bump
OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TEH FUNNEY!
not
go away please.
nope...
No go away, or explain the need to post on a 6 month old topic
ok...
So many posts on why missiles need to be changed this way or that way lately... this is a good place to get information on why the devs did what they did and how they think missiles should work.
Afterall, we forum regulars might know a lot of this stuff but newbie players putting in their 0.02isk on those other, recent threads, may be just spouting who they agree with because of who they think is more right vs who is more wrong.
Don't worry it will be back in page 4 or 5 shortly from all the WCS whines.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.04.22 18:44:00 -
[981]
The whole topic is a bit large to read all the way through so I have a quick question.
Will the defender missiles have any sort of automation instead of having to launch them manually when you see a missile?
With even faster missiles I dont think too many people will react fast enough in shorter ranges to find defender missiles worth their weight.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.04.22 18:45:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Liare
Originally by: Kaylana Syi bump
OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TEH FUNNEY!
not
go away please.
nope...
No go away, or explain the need to post on a 6 month old topic
ok...
So many posts on why missiles need to be changed this way or that way lately... this is a good place to get information on why the devs did what they did and how they think missiles should work.
Afterall, we forum regulars might know a lot of this stuff but newbie players putting in their 0.02isk on those other, recent threads, may be just spouting who they agree with because of who they think is more right vs who is more wrong.
Don't worry it will be back in page 4 or 5 shortly from all the WCS whines.
missile guide, stick on page one kkthxybe
I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool?
Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
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