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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
8
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:40:00 -
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So glad I trained for a Chimera. |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
150
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:41:00 -
[92] - Quote
Toku Jiang wrote:So glad I trained for a Chimera.
Your reps got nerfed too. Good job on reading comprehension there.
http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
502
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:42:00 -
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1Compression wrote:Darenthul wrote:"A nerf went through apparently and CCP didn't respond in 5 minutes that means they're hiding something, myself as a pro-uber software developer for a giant company I know what its like, you're terrible CCP, you suck, etc. etc."
You guys are some of the most entitled fools I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing.
Legit concerns are one thing, this was a stealth nerf, this is something to be concerned about, its a huge stealth nerf, even more concerning.
But going off on a tangent like freaking 5 year old's is just uncalled for. They'll address the concerns eventually, chill the hell out and stop acting like such children about it. Swearing up a storm and flinging insults does nothing but make the rest of the community wish more crap like this WOULD happen to you.
To those being civil about the mess and simply requesting some answers, kudos to you, you make the community shine. To the rest, grow up. This. Issue #1: It's a game impacting change. It needed to be in the notes well in advance and available for feedback in test threads. Issue #2: The majority of posts in this thread are horrible. Show numbers, show intellectual feedback.
- Armor links previously affected both shield and armor capital components.
- The change was not announced prior to the update.
Can anyone provide intelligent explanation/example of the impact this is going to have on triage groups? What will they no longer be able to rep that they could before?
You add up the command link bonus, and that is how much repping power you lost. Which boils down to roughly 1/3rd of your total repping output. Which is huge. And that's not counting the crucial effect slower cycle times have on armor RR (i.e. stuff dies before the cycle hits)
It's a big deal. |

Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:42:00 -
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ALLKRYDDA wrote:Ezra Vouland wrote:You still didn't provide the number amount of which will be taken away. Not to mention most the kids crying here are crying over triage, and if are repping 10-12 seconds as triage, are doing it wrong.
Lets make it simple. If you have a bro in a damnation boosting Rapid Repair and that is now gone, how much armor per second is lost? You clearly don't get this change then. Its not about the armor per second as much as its about the cycle time to get armor to the guy in need. If you're in a battleship getting primaried by another fleet with triage archons hangin out on field to rep you, those links help the archons get reps on you faster...honestly I dont think anyone cares how much armor per second thats not the complaint. Its the fact you have to wait an entire cycle timer to get any reps at all. And yes triage should be faster it cuts the cycle time in half so now you're a sitting duck for 6 seconds. I dont know if you've done fleet warfare champ but 6 seconds is about 4 seconds longer than needed pop real quick.
You clearly aren't getting it. You can calculate armor per second by the amount repped and the activation time over reps. |

Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
73
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:43:00 -
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Qaldramas wrote: I'm trying to give you guys the benefit of the doubt here - I honestly don't think you meant to break things so badly (which, as others have brought up, has implications that you are not as connected with your player base as you should be, but that's another matter.) Rather than joining the flame train, I'd like to see some more CCP response here. Sneaking in a major nerf and then planning on maybe doing a buff to balance it out at some point if you feel like it is not acceptable. Would you mind sharing more details on these proposed buffs?
In the meantime, I also /sign that these changes should be rolled back. If, at some future date, there will be buffs to balance out the nerfs, fine, implement the nerf then with plenty of warning.
As an added personal appeal, please fix this soon so that I don't have to endure more nerd rage on coms. Please and thank you :)
/Signed
Thanks for making my T2 Triage useless Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |

Needmore Longcat
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:46:00 -
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:popcorn: |

Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
128
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:46:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: In this case the gang links had previously been affecting Capital Remote Armor Repair Systems but not Capital Shield Transporters. This change brought the armor reps in line with the shield variants.
You forgot the capital hull remote repairer, it still requires sub cap skills to 5.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2580

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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:46:00 -
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So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
8
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:48:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Toku Jiang wrote:So glad I trained for a Chimera. Your reps got nerfed too. Good job on reading comprehension there.
Ya but I didn't sink a fortune on rigs and implants that don't work as I thought they did  |

Veinnail
FinFleet Raiden.
42
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:48:00 -
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[redacted] The biggest issue here is that the change was kept quiet because no player discovered the change on test servers. Which makes sense because how many hardcore triage teams work on test servers?
edit: thank you for rollback and promise of better practice in regards to this. |

Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:48:00 -
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Toku Jiang wrote:So glad I trained for a Chimera.
It's still a bad carrier, the margin of bad just got a little narrower. |

HerrBert
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
8
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:49:00 -
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okay a qualified post:
Why are wormhole people mad? - Cycle Time - Skill Time - The Bloody fact that by "boosting" Shield Transfer you make Gallente and Amarr Ships almost useless for any PVP based Fleet Doctrine unless you want us to do pillow fights without Web and Scram ...
So yes this change is something we cannot accept and yes this change is almost game breaking for everybody in Wormhole space.
I CAN SEE TENGUS ! SOOO MANY TENGUS!!! |

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
277
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:49:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Thank you for making the right decision, I hope that even if something like these is implemented at a later date pilots will at least be able to prepare for it, this is a non-trivial change to capital warfare.
If you want to rebalance this in the future, I think real attention should be paid to the Talisman Implant set, this is already an exceptionally niche pirate set, to remove its affect from capitals basically dooms it to being the other half of the bhaalgorn. I honestly see little application for it outside of that role if capacitor transfer Chimeras and Archons are nerfed. |

Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:49:00 -
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That was short lived |

Qaldramas
Hard Knocks Inc.
15
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:49:00 -
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1Compression wrote: Can anyone provide intelligent explanation/example of the impact this is going to have on triage groups? What will they no longer be able to rep that they could before?
The two main examples that come to mind are engagements where triage carriers are one of the main sources of reps (as in the invasion of J115405 aka RAGE this past weekend) and running Sleeper sites. In both cases the armor reps landing later can mean the ship you are repping dies before the reps hit it (never mind that the total amount of reps you dish out also decreases.) In the case of Sleeper sites, particularly when it comes to running sites in a wormhole other than your home hole (which applies to all who live in C5 and C6 WHs) you do not have the option to simply bring an extra carrier (1st because of mass limits and 2nd because of the extra sleepers that spawn when you bring in another carrier.)
I suspect this also has many implications for large-scale cap fights in low and especially null, but I have no real experience with those engagements so someone else will have to post about that.
Again, as others have been stressing, the loss of total amount repped is certainly unpleasant but in some situations the even worse problem is that your reps might not land in time to save someone's ship. |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:50:00 -
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yay 
+1 CCP quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
108
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:50:00 -
[107] - Quote
Make babies with me
CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
8
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:51:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Toku Jiang wrote:So glad I trained for a Chimera. It's still a bad carrier, the margin of bad just got a little narrower.
True that, I rarely use the hunk of junk unless i"m repping a POS shield. |

Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
73
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:51:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Sklling 12m SP in Leadership .. = 8 Plex Triage T2 Archon = 20 Plex
Realizing that CCP tricked me again... Priceless
Right in the nutset. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |

Sadron
BLOOM. Verge of Collapse
91
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:51:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal. So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Smart man. No problem. |

Fatyn
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
40
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:51:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Best way to clean up the egg is fast b4 it goes all crusty.
Much appreciated Fozzie :)
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Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
14
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:52:00 -
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I find it adorable how 5 minutes ago half of you were rabid and swearing Fozzie was the worst man alive and now you're all over him.
Thanks Fozzie for being straightforward and providing adequate information. |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:52:00 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Honest CCP best CCP, making mistakes is bad, but acknowledging them and allowing yourself to stand corrected makes up for a good part of it! |

Jack Lo
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:52:00 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
We love you again. <33 |

Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
73
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:52:00 -
[115] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Attaboy. Thanks buddy. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |

Qaldramas
Hard Knocks Inc.
15
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry. There we go, no hard feelings (well, OK, not too many too terribly hard feelings, at least. ) While certainly I'm less than pleased that this ninja nerf happened in the first place, I think you are in the process of a great plan to fix it Thanks for listening to us CCP (and hopefully this is a good reminder to ask for feedback *before* applying patches in the future.) |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
291
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:53:00 -
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Posting to say good job with the quick response fozzie. Kick Heim... MATE |

Nalren
Aperture Harmonics K162
7
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:53:00 -
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Thanks for prioritizing a reply to this, and for checking stuff before continuing to post replies. +1.
Any idea how long this will stay live? "First available patch opportunity" doesn't tell us a whole lot. |

Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
108
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:54:00 -
[119] - Quote
i don't work for the, but if they follow historical patterns it will be a day or two |

Needmore Longcat
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
But this thread was delicious!
Seriously, though, it's neat to see you guys listen to the playerbase. |
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