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Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.13 00:37:00 -
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Again, this is the only negative in an otherwise great review:
"A few words about 48FPS. IGÇÖve seen THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY twice now in this format, and this weekend IGÇÖll be seeing it in good old-fashioned 2D. 48FPS takes some getting used to. ItGÇÖs so aesthetically different from film that many will flat-out reject it. IGÇÖve always thought that there was something magical about 24FPS, something tactile and soothing about it, even in old 35MM. 48FPS in its way has a more striking palette; everything is sharper, thereGÇÖs very little motion blur, and gives everything a weight and a movement that comes close to reality, or at least as close as it can. But it also has the effect of making sets look more like sets, and even outside shots have a strange disconnect to them.
Perhaps itGÇÖs because weGÇÖre not used to it. In 3D, the images are much more pronounced GÇô Gollum really feels GÇ£thereGÇ¥ this time in a way that he never really felt before. ItGÇÖs almost as if 48FPS brings CGI into a kind of reality. The problem is, itGÇÖs not reality - it's obviously CGI. Sometimes it works, like in the work with Gollum. Sometimes it just makes what isn't real even more fake-looking. IGÇÖd really love to see this technology used, perhaps in just a regular action movie thatGÇÖs not so full of computer-enhanced imagery, to see what it would look like. I recommend seeing it in this format at least once to decide for yourself, but it is jarring. For the first few minutes, everything looks like it moves faster than normal, but itGÇÖs because thereGÇÖs no blurring anymore. After a while, I got used to it. The format does make landscapes pop, and more than any other 3D before it, I really felt the depth of scope on the screen. When weGÇÖre looking down a hall in BilboGÇÖs house, it really feels like a hallway, with a real distance to things. And IGÇÖll also say this GÇô it felt like there was very little eye strain in seeing THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY in 3D, much less eye strain than in a normal 3D movie. If they can just make sure the screen is bright, perhaps this technology will become the new normal. But I suspect that this will simply be one way to see a movie, and wonGÇÖt replace good old-fashioned 24FPS. Time will tell."
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59986
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Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:27:00 -
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More issues with the 48 FPS rate:
"Finally, let me get to the giant elephant in the room GÇô the 48 fps frame rate GÇô for those who are curious how it plays on the big screen. THE HOBBIT is by no means the definitive statement on whether the shift in frame rate can work in the long run, but it is one fascinating experiment that showcases its benefits while frustrates with its negatives.
First off, THE HOBBIT looks absolutely amazing. You already know what itGÇÖs like to see a high-resolution image via your Blu-ray playerGǪ now imagine seeing that same image quality projected on the silver screen. ItGÇÖs that crisp and that clear, enabling you to see individual feathers on an eagleGÇÖs wings or the disgusting details of a trollGÇÖs face or the spray of RivendallGÇÖs waterfalls. This is something you havenGÇÖt seen before projected in such a way, so it sure will take you a bit to get adjusted to what youGÇÖre seeing. By the time I walked out of the theatre, I felt as if my eyes had gone through a serious boot camp workout, being used in ways they had never been before. They did feel a bit strained for the extra work they were being called upon to do. But it wasnGÇÖt just the extra detail they were being called upon to pick up. That was only the bright side of this equation.
The downside is that that they were also required to move a lot faster to grasp and decipher a lot of the motion and camera movements that Jackson was using throughout the film. Close-ups and medium shots appear to move quickly at rapid speed, which is absolutely jarring when you first see it and then every time after, as if you are watching them move in fast-forward. Simple tasks like the elder Bilbo putting something away in a chest look almost comical, because of how quickly they transpire in relation to things shot from a wider angle. Pans and swishes come across like something you might see in a video game cut scene, and with the added camera movement trying to put you in the action of say a battle, it almost feels as if youGÇÖre in the middle of a 3-D motion simulator ride. I think that the new frame rate can be a worthy tool for filmmakers to use periodically, but I donGÇÖt see it becoming any sort of new standard until they learn its limitations, which means changing dramatically the way certain things are captured by the camera in order to not disorient the audience when itGÇÖs finally projected."
Warning: the full review below is fairly negative until Gollum hits the screen 45 minutes from the end.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59994
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1175
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Posted - 2012.12.14 02:35:00 -
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Ouch! Warning, this one hurts !
http://www.sfgate.com/movies/article/The-Hobbit-review-Chore-of-the-Rings-4116150.php#photo-3885241
we didn't even get a single review of LOTR anywhere that approaches this.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
161
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:50:00 -
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This review is full of ****. Pure utter ****. I just returned from the midnight release and (yes even as a nasty Pirate) I teared up several times. I'm a major lotr fan and Tolkien was my childhood growing up. My grandmother turned me to the Hobbit as a book when I was very young so naturally it's something kind of sacred.
The movie doesn't disappoint in the least. I would however recommend to NOT see it in 3D and rather just traditionally. I personally find 3D to be a gimmick and takes away from the quality and detailing of the film so I saw it in 2D. The sets are gorgeous. I was literally blown away by Eredor and the detailing of the Lonely Mountain. It was about on par with Minas Tirith and that's saying something.
The movie is NOT Lord Of The Rings. Those going in expecting massive battles or a dark determined plot are going to be disappointed. However those whom have read the book will be thoroughly pleased. Jackson does an amazing and I mean AMAZING job of tying in the little details such as Dol Guldur and the "Necromancer."
The reasoning why these critics are giving it such crap is because Jackson is building upon the tensions leading up to the War Of The Ring. he is revealing Saurons growing power, The White Council, Gandalf's concern over a growing darkness where as Sauraman see's nothing.
I'm certain we will see the development of Aragorn as a young man and even Denethor and Gondor's early struggles to set the stage probably at the end film of this trilogy.
This film also gives definition to characters and added depth that enriches them in LOTR such as Sauraman The White or Elrond. You see personality and yes even Gandalf has added depth especially in one particular scene where I don't think there was a dry eye in the theater. I won't spoil it but let's just say it has to do with a simple question as to why Bilbo was chosen to go on the quest.
Thorin Oakenshield and Bilbo as characters are portrayed wonderfully and I was very surprised at the level of depth shown in Thorin.
Don't let these snobby prudes deter you. It was a wonderful film and one everyone who has read the book NEEDS to see. If you go in expecting the Hobbit that is what you will get. A film with emotion and character development that I could only put on par with that of Lincoln for films of 2012.
Please go see it. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:05:00 -
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Well, movie bob liked it, and he usually hits my staste, so...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/6620-The-Hobbit-An-Unexpected-Journey?utm_source=videos&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all
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Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
4797
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:07:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:This review is full of ****. Pure utter ****. I just returned from the midnight release and (yes even as a nasty Pirate) I teared up several times. I'm a major lotr fan and Tolkien was my childhood growing up. My grandmother turned me to the Hobbit as a book when I was very young so naturally it's something kind of sacred. The movie doesn't disappoint in the least. I would however recommend to NOT see it in 3D and rather just traditionally. I personally find 3D to be a gimmick and takes away from the quality and detailing of the film so I saw it in 2D. The sets are gorgeous. I was literally blown away by Eredor and the detailing of the Lonely Mountain. It was about on par with Minas Tirith and that's saying something. The movie is NOT Lord Of The Rings. Those going in expecting massive battles or a dark determined plot are going to be disappointed. However those whom have read the book will be thoroughly pleased. Jackson does an amazing and I mean AMAZING job of tying in the little details such as Dol Guldur and the "Necromancer." The reasoning why these critics are giving it such crap is because Jackson is building upon the tensions leading up to the War Of The Ring. he is revealing Saurons growing power, The White Council, Gandalf's concern over a growing darkness where as Sauraman see's nothing. I'm certain we will see the development of Aragorn as a young man and even Denethor and Gondor's early struggles to set the stage probably at the end film of this trilogy. This film also gives definition to characters and added depth that enriches them in LOTR such as Sauraman The White or Elrond. You see personality and yes even Gandalf has added depth especially in one particular scene where I don't think there was a dry eye in the theater. I won't spoil it but let's just say it has to do with a simple question as to why Bilbo was chosen to go on the quest. Thorin Oakenshield and Bilbo as characters are portrayed wonderfully and I was very surprised at the level of depth shown in Thorin. Don't let these snobby prudes deter you. It was a wonderful film and one everyone who has read the book NEEDS to see. If you go in expecting the Hobbit that is what you will get. A film with emotion and character development that I could only put on par with that of Lincoln for films of 2012. Please go see it.
This.
Id like to add that the 3d is really only good in parts so i share the sentiments. For me until we have full holographic 3d, 3d on a 2d screen is a gimmick.
This film doesnt just nail the hobbit book it nails the spirit and surrounding story. Jackson has done an amazing job and yes, this is not LOTR.
Post with your brainGäó |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
161
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:10:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Tara Read wrote:This review is full of ****. Pure utter ****. I just returned from the midnight release and (yes even as a nasty Pirate) I teared up several times. I'm a major lotr fan and Tolkien was my childhood growing up. My grandmother turned me to the Hobbit as a book when I was very young so naturally it's something kind of sacred. The movie doesn't disappoint in the least. I would however recommend to NOT see it in 3D and rather just traditionally. I personally find 3D to be a gimmick and takes away from the quality and detailing of the film so I saw it in 2D. The sets are gorgeous. I was literally blown away by Eredor and the detailing of the Lonely Mountain. It was about on par with Minas Tirith and that's saying something. The movie is NOT Lord Of The Rings. Those going in expecting massive battles or a dark determined plot are going to be disappointed. However those whom have read the book will be thoroughly pleased. Jackson does an amazing and I mean AMAZING job of tying in the little details such as Dol Guldur and the "Necromancer." The reasoning why these critics are giving it such crap is because Jackson is building upon the tensions leading up to the War Of The Ring. he is revealing Saurons growing power, The White Council, Gandalf's concern over a growing darkness where as Sauraman see's nothing. I'm certain we will see the development of Aragorn as a young man and even Denethor and Gondor's early struggles to set the stage probably at the end film of this trilogy. This film also gives definition to characters and added depth that enriches them in LOTR such as Sauraman The White or Elrond. You see personality and yes even Gandalf has added depth especially in one particular scene where I don't think there was a dry eye in the theater. I won't spoil it but let's just say it has to do with a simple question as to why Bilbo was chosen to go on the quest. Thorin Oakenshield and Bilbo as characters are portrayed wonderfully and I was very surprised at the level of depth shown in Thorin. Don't let these snobby prudes deter you. It was a wonderful film and one everyone who has read the book NEEDS to see. If you go in expecting the Hobbit that is what you will get. A film with emotion and character development that I could only put on par with that of Lincoln for films of 2012. Please go see it. This. Id like to add that the 3d is really only good in parts so i share the sentiments. For me until we have full holographic 3d, 3d on a 2d screen is a gimmick. This film doesnt just nail the hobbit book it nails the spirit and surrounding story. Jackson has done an amazing job and yes, this is not LOTR.
Spirit I think is the perfect term explaining the beauty behind this film. It keeps true to the story and the feeling of the book which is a rarity in book based films.
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Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:15:00 -
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As my friend said after we watched it. Someone should send this to George Lucas with the note:
THIS is how you do a prequel!
Post with your brainGäó |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
781
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:17:00 -
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well i am going to watch it tonight with my kids ,
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:21:00 -
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You wont be dIsappointed.
Post with your brainGäó |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1183
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Posted - 2012.12.14 14:22:00 -
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Yeh I was kinda surprised with the review myself. I've been reading Mick LsSalle for over a decade and when covering LOTR ha said somewhere along the line he had read all of the books. Although like most, I highly doubt he ead the Appendices or the 13-Volume "History of Middle Earth" which contains the unpublished writings from which a lot of the 'new' material is derived from as well. That stuff is great for those to whom this has great appeal, but for the general public, it would be all a complete bore.
I spent a 2-Year time period reading those 13 volumes. That's the kind of patience I have, but to read most of it one has to have a bit of a background in linguistics and be fascinated by that. Not too many folks there.
Mr. LaSalle seems happy with the last part of the movie that's for sure, but I've been going over some Average Joe reviews, and more than a few of those have hinted at the same "issues".
The problem isn't Peter Jackson making a bad film per se, but films must have a certain tempo to them or boredom can set in no matter how spectacular what you are seeing looks. See "Star trek: The Motion Picture (1979).
This was the same problem I had with his "King Kong". This was the same problem I had with "The Lovely Bones" (which was just a mis-fire as far as a premise to adapt to make a film, but that's not thie problem here).
In those two films he had long stretches where absolutely nothing of import was being delivered and then suddenly a breakneck speed thrown in with back to back action scenes, in "King Kong" in particular. It and "The Lovely Bones" just seemed to alternate between off and on, with no middle ground.
Of course I don't really have a final point here to make, and that would be unfair as I have not seen it.
I guess what I am finding interesting and startling is that in all my decades of studying film, it was truly amazing how during the 3 film run of LOTR, I could practically find no review that was not at least near perfect in judgement. That was great, but really really odd. Exceptional. But it's really hard to get lightening to strike twice.
Will I see this ? Yes. And I'm probably going to like it. But I had a feeling that this awkward pacing issue would rear it's head, so I'm fully prepared now and it won't be a nasty surprise.
Also, maybe there was no way around this issue due to expanding the story (remember those last 3 words there), and he's figured out a way to iron out whatever is causing bot professional and armchair critics this time around. I don't get the feeling that they 'have it out" for Peter just because of the earlier phenomenal success.
They seem just as surprised at the fact this issue would even crop up.
But one thing that has been unanimous: I have not found a single person who has liked the 48 FPS projection rate. I really wish Jackson had not made this charming story a "technical" experiment for the format, especially with the odd reactions people had when it was first introduced in the late '70's.
Perhaps he is reaching a bit too high there? Time will tell.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1183
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Posted - 2012.12.14 14:41:00 -
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Interesting.
He seems to acknowledge some of the issues that are covered above, but the film was good enough to overcome them for him. He seems to be saying that it sort of self-acknowledges some of these problematic areas. That's probably what I'm going to come away with as well.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1191
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:29:00 -
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From the critic at CNN on the 48 FPS issue (again):
"But there's worse, far worse, for anyone tempted to check out the movie in its 3-D, 48 frames per second incarnation (showcased in approximately 450 premium screens across North America). The theory behind this cutting edge technology -- which doubles the 24 fps that has been standard in movies since the silent era -- is that the faster frame rate allows more luminescence, counterbalancing the loss incurred in 3-D. It's clearer, brighter and more immersive -- in theory. In practice, it's clearer, brighter, and utterly alienating.
I haven't seen the movie screened at 24 fps, but at 48, the grain of film has been replaced by the gloss of high definition video, which gives everything and everyone a fake, plastic sheen.
"An Unexpected Journey" may look sharp in TV showrooms or on your PS3, but in the movie theater the picture's clarity comes at the loss of texture, shading and consistency. Shifts from exteriors to dark interiors are especially jarring. Look also at the dull, flat orange taint that is meant to approximate candle light in numerous scenes, and compare that with the glow you find in "Barry Lyndon," or "***** and Alexander," or your own birthday snaps.
Did Jackson embrace 48 fps to keep himself interested, because he knew he was retreading old ground? Is he really blind to the limitations of this technology at this stage of its evolution? I won't say it has no future, but for now this emperor has no clothes. It's a colossal misjudgment. He's put his name to the ugliest film of the year, a $270 million three-hour epic that looks like a TV show ("Teletubbies" was the first to pop into my head, and "Doctor Who" was the most flattering comparison I could come up with.)"
Wow. Pretty unanimous opinions it seems of this one. Be sure to pay for 2D or Regular 3D.
I won't post the rest of the CNN review. It would just upset everyone.
EDIT: just noticed and LOL'ed that the title of an Ingmar Bergman film is a no no ! That is an actual legitimate name for girls. and what about the author and screenwriter of "Fried Green Tomatoes", ***** Phlagg ? censorship is a difficult thing to navigate once started, indeed.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1198
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Posted - 2012.12.15 14:04:00 -
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Welp ? Anyone actually see the film yesterday ?
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Benilopax
Solar Storm
Intrepid Crossing
380
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Posted - 2012.12.16 02:19:00 -
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I saw it tonight in 2D at regular frame rate, didn't dare experiment, and I had a cracking good time!
Performances were great, effects were great, thought the pace was good overall.
I think it did well as it's own adventure but also sat well within the LotR story too.
Looking forward to two trilogies that will stand well together as a saga of middle earth.
... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1212
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Posted - 2012.12.16 11:36:00 -
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Wow. Anyone else, or were you not impressed with the film ? Been over 24 hours........
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Aditu Riraille
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:59:00 -
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I am planning to see it with friends on Tuesday, couldn't see dealing with the crush of humanity over the weekend.
"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."
T. S. Eliot
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
784
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Posted - 2012.12.17 10:50:00 -
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went to watch it this weekend and i was impressed
starts a bit slow if you never read the book but picks up space quickly afterwards
only wish i could see the rest now and not having yo wait another year for the rest
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
baltec1
Bat Country
3332
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Posted - 2012.12.17 11:32:00 -
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Saw it yesterday, loved it. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:43:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: went to watch it this weekend and i was impressed
starts a bit slow if you never read the book but picks up space quickly afterwards
only wish i could see the rest now and not having yo wait another year for the rest
Yeah. "The Desolation of Smaug" will be out December 2013, but "There and Back Again" will thankfully be out only 7 months later in July 2014.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:04:00 -
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It was terrible!!!!
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:08:00 -
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I deleted a bit of spam from this thread.
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Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:14:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I deleted a bit of spam from this thread.
wasn't spam, we had a debate early in the thread and I made a kindly joke here w/o animosity regarding the movie actually not turning out to be a flop as was my position. but whatever spam spam spam yeah... 
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1217
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:17:00 -
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You left a huge area of white space and no information. It's not the 90's ya know.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:42:00 -
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CNN explains to the general public why the story expansions are needed :
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/showbiz/movies/hobbit-book-movie-vineyard/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Gandalf just periodically and inexplicably disappearing may work in the book, but that kind of thing is cinematic death. Explanations are needed for filmic logic.
Side note:
I'd love to see Jackson tackle the story of the island of Numenor from the 2nd Age in the Silmarillion. The unfortunate part is Tolkein never actually finished any of the real stories, only the broad history of that era. The stories he wrote all just abruply, rudely end.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
217
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:52:00 -
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I saw it saturday and really liked it but i would second not seeing it in 3d. Apparently a lot of the camera tricks they use to make people different sizes onscreen dont mesh well with the 3d and it also gives everything a fake looking plastic sheen.
as for my particular impressions of the film itself
- lots of stuff from the extended timeline was integrated into the story and I think it made things flow a lot better.
- they did very well in making each dwarf distinct as a character despite it being a group of thirteen short blokes with beards and armour.
- I loved how Bilbo started his story with the line about holes from the beginning of the book, in fact the dialogue overall was very impressive.
- Gollum manages the difficult feat of being both funny and terrifying at the same time not once but multiple times.
Anyway I would highly recommend it but only if you go see it in 2D. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1225
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:51:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:I saw it saturday and really liked it but i would second not seeing it in 3d. Apparently a lot of the camera tricks they use to make people different sizes onscreen dont mesh well with the 3d and it also gives everything a fake looking plastic sheen.
as for my particular impressions of the film itself
- lots of stuff from the extended timeline was integrated into the story and I think it made things flow a lot better.
- they did very well in making each dwarf distinct as a character despite it being a group of thirteen short blokes with beards and armour.
- I loved how Bilbo started his story with the line about holes from the beginning of the book, in fact the dialogue overall was very impressive.
- Gollum manages the difficult feat of being both funny and terrifying at the same time not once but multiple times.
Anyway I would highly recommend it but only if you go see it in 2D.
Sounds great.
That fake sheen is a result of the 48 FPS. Check carefully when buying tickets as not all 3D presentations are using the 48 FPS.
To be clearer, there are 3 presentations: 2D, 3D, and 48FPS 3D. I have no idea which of these applies to the IMAX versions which might be consedered a 4th presentation. It's getting a bit ridiculous IMHO.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1243
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:15:00 -
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New excellent diatribe against the horrible 48 FPS process: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/12/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-why-48-fps-fails/
Audience reaction is completely different in the different formats.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
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