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Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 729	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:03:00 - [31] - Quote DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb! Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again. Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL. Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth. Thx, DEIFER. This post makes me want to put a bounty on you.
Derek Quaid Discreet Bounties 13	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:05:00 - [32] - Quote For serious grudges, Discreet Bounties anonymously places individual bounties. Our current minimum is 10 million ISK to weed out the children and serve clients with a legitimate ax to grind. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties
MilitantMan Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:06:00 - [33] - Quote DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Thx, DEIFER. this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?
Lipbite Express Hauler 258	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:17:00 - [34] - Quote Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%. It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system.
Derek Quaid Discreet Bounties 14	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:30:00 - [35] - Quote Lipbite wrote: Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%. It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system. Discreet Bounties is happy to place such anonymous bounties on your behalf. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10762	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:36:00 - [36] - Quote When I get chance Souisa, I'll send you some bounty love. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:41:00 - [37] - Quote Souisa wrote: Bienator II wrote: nah the small entry level is fine. It adds up if you are a bad guy.. and if not nobody cares. HOWEVER, there should be a mechanic how you can get rid of the bounties without exploding. For example by paying them yourself. I mean what should freighter pilots do to get rid of the bounties? They never pvp or anything like that. That is actually a very good suggestion. It will solve the problem of people not wanting their 100k isk bounty, as well as become a neat little ISK sink :) Then we can allow miners to pay CONCORD to make them immune to suicide ganks for a period of time; that would be neat little ISK sink as well. Pardon me guys, Are you saying that you advocate developer created mechanics that allow players to negate player driven mechanics? Let me see. Pay 1 million to clear my bounty that is ecnouraging more people to blow up my 1 billion ISK ship full of loot? I know you guys aren't stupid, I know you you know that if you could pay off your bounties that people would stop putting bounties on people. No it is not a good idea. If you have a bounty you should have a bounty. It shouldn't expire, and the only way to remove it should by either getting blown up or working out a deal with whomever put it on you to remove it. (Can you remove a bounty you place? You should be able if you can't. Would be silly if you couldn't.) The guy that put the money on you isn't getting any money in return. Why don't you see if they'll accept payment from you in return for removing it? If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there.
Dr No Game Android Empire 8	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:41:00 - [38] - Quote Savnire Jacitu wrote: Had someone put a 100k bounty on me. When I get on tonight I'm putting a 100 mil bounty on them as personal **** you. This :P Some forum-rager put a 100K bounty on me last night. Made me wish I had subbed years ago so I could drop a half-bil on his head :P
Dr No Game Android Empire 8	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:44:00 - [39] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there. Right, and 100K bounties will never be used, and devalue the meaning of the bounty system when everyone has one. If there were an expiry or some similar mechanism I would be happy with that, as a 1-off 100K bounty will not make you "Wanted" for very long. Pirates who are consistently accruing lots of small bounties would still be wanted fugitives, and random carebear miners can keep their squaky-clean records.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10762	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:46:00 - [40] - Quote Dr No Game wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a ** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there. Right, and 100K bounties will never be used, and devalue the meaning of the bounty system when everyone has one. If there were an expiry or some similar mechanism I would be happy with that, as a 1-off 100K bounty will not make you "Wanted" for very long. Pirates who are consistently accruing lots of small bounties would still be wanted fugitives, and random carebear miners can keep their squaky-clean records. No time limit and no pay off. Suck it up fuzzball. CCP Zulu.....** Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.

Mr Pragmatic 113	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:49:00 - [41] - Quote Lipbite wrote: Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%. It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system. couldent you just create an alt transfer the money to the alt and then place the bounty? Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) - "What are your modules like?"
baltec1 Bat Country 3050	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:49:00 - [42] - Quote In 5 months time we are going to have a great isk sink.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10762	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:50:00 - [43] - Quote baltec1 wrote: In 5 months time we are going to have a great isk sink. Pool mate, an ISK pool. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Dracones Tarsis Inc 1	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:51:00 - [44] - Quote I guess this adds something to the new player experience: Newbie Chat: "Hey, how do I refine ore?" Mails from Concord: A 100k bounty has been placed on you! Should be a nice freakout for any new player who barely has 5k isk and doesn't know bounties doesn't mean everyone will be gunning for them.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:59:00 - [45] - Quote Dr No Game wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there. Right, and 100K bounties will never be used, and devalue the meaning of the bounty system when everyone has one. If there were an expiry or some similar mechanism I would be happy with that, as a 1-off 100K bounty will not make you "Wanted" for very long. Pirates who are consistently accruing lots of small bounties would still be wanted fugitives, and random carebear miners can keep their squaky-clean records. No. Expiring bounties doesn't encourage anyone to place higher boutnies or to use the bounty system. If 100k isn't enough, the OBVIOUS answer would be to raise the miminum requirement. Bounties have NOTHING to do with whether or not an individual is a criminal. Just because a bounty is used to encourage others to catch the criminal, does not mean that bounties mean you're a criminal. If you raise the minimum requirement, newer players who can't afford to just throw out millions of isk wouldn't be able to use the system. Sinse there are several hundred thousand potential contributors to the bounty system, it can be expected that the more criminal acts that a person engages in the more likely someone is going to ADD to their bounty. Expiring boutnies would only reduce the number of bounties that are on "the market". Edit: you're arguement is that the day after capital punishment was made legal the crime rate didn't drop. The bounty system hasn't been in place 48 hours yet and you guys are complaining about people with low bounties. How about giving it time and seeing what happens?
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1215	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:03:00 - [46] - Quote Nyaris Wolfe wrote: Aziesta wrote: Nyaris Wolfe wrote: Also if it gets high enough you can always claim your own ^^ Please show me an example where claiming your own bounty is a good idea. (Hint, they changed payout) As far as I'm aware theres no law against second accounts, and it's percentage of damage done. Unless I'm missing something else, in which case enlightenment can never be a bad thing Its a percentage of whats destroyed. So if you have an alt blow up your 500,000 isk ship, the alt gets 100,000. Your net loss: 400,000. If you had a 20 million isk bounty on you, you would have the alt blow you up when you were in a 100 million isk ship in order to clear it. Your net loss: 80 million. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:08:00 - [47] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Nyaris Wolfe wrote: Aziesta wrote: Nyaris Wolfe wrote: Also if it gets high enough you can always claim your own ^^ Please show me an example where claiming your own bounty is a good idea. (Hint, they changed payout) As far as I'm aware theres no law against second accounts, and it's percentage of damage done. Unless I'm missing something else, in which case enlightenment can never be a bad thing Its a percentage of whats destroyed. So if you have an alt blow up your 500,000 isk ship, the alt gets 100,000. Your net loss: 400,000. If you had a 20 million isk bounty on you, you would have the alt blow you up when you were in a 100 million isk ship in order to clear it. Your net loss: 80 million. They don't seem to be making the connection to the point that you can use the system to lose less. They're seeing it as "you lost" and not "you took it upon yourself to clear the bounty and lose less then you would otherwise." And sinse there's no way for CCP to prevent it, it's a moot point. As long as you can't profit from it yourself, than it's working as intended. Neither side is right or wrong, just arguing over something that can only be fixed by removing the bounty system.
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 166	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:11:00 - [48] - Quote bounty system is awesome. 100k who cares. quit your whining. i bet half of you posted for years OMG FIX THE BOUNTY SYSTEM ITS BROKEN..
Bienator II madmen of the skies 1189	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:18:00 - [49] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Souisa wrote: Bienator II wrote: nah the small entry level is fine. It adds up if you are a bad guy.. and if not nobody cares. HOWEVER, there should be a mechanic how you can get rid of the bounties without exploding. For example by paying them yourself. I mean what should freighter pilots do to get rid of the bounties? They never pvp or anything like that. That is actually a very good suggestion. It will solve the problem of people not wanting their 100k isk bounty, as well as become a neat little ISK sink :) Then we can allow miners to pay CONCORD to make them immune to suicide ganks for a period of time; that would be neat little ISK sink as well. Pardon me guys, Are you saying that you advocate developer created mechanics that allow players to negate player driven mechanics? Let me see. Pay 1 million to clear my bounty that is ecnouraging more people to blow up my 1 billion ISK ship full of loot? rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked
Skorpynekomimi 273	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:23:00 - [50] - Quote I dunno, I think it's working as intended. Without kill rights, the only real risk for a small bounty is the usual gankers outside trade hubs. Or a little bonus for gatecamps.

Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:25:00 - [51] - Quote Bienator II wrote: rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. Write the person that put the bounty on you and see if you can pay them to remove it. YOU get nothing for placing a bounty on someone. Paying an NPC to remove a bounty that a PLAYER put on you is beyond senseless. It's just a means of circumventing player driven content, and has no place in the bounty system.
Ammzi Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:28:00 - [52] - Quote DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb! Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again. Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL. Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth. Thx, DEIFER. Oh dear. This is classic grief. PUT BOUNTIES ON ALL THE ROOKIES!!!1111ONEONEONE quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:34:00 - [53] - Quote I think the system is a lot cleverer than you give it credit. Those 100k bounties that no one will supposedly "give a ** about" they're only going to matter in a lot of cases to small time players, because they're the only ones who would be hurt by such a small bounty. Who are the only bounty hunters that will give 2 *** about a 100k bounty? Small time bounty hunters. It's a deceptively simple yet effective system. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Codie Dunier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:02:00 - [54] - Quote MilitantMan wrote: DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Thx, DEIFER. this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh? And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 553	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:09:00 - [55] - Quote Codie Dunier wrote: MilitantMan wrote: DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Thx, DEIFER. this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh? And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time. Both of you are confused. Bounty doesn't mean criminal. Both of you deserve high bounties for being so risk averse. It's probably why the first guy got his. I doubt it was just "random".
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1940	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:12:00 - [56] - Quote I'm still under 500k bounty. I'm a little disappointed, to be honest. Mr Epeen -ávOv
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10763	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:12:00 - [57] - Quote Ammzi wrote: DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb! Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again. Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL. Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth. Thx, DEIFER. Oh dear. This is classic grief. PUT BOUNTIES ON ALL THE ROOKIES!!!1111ONEONEONE I would suggest not placing bounties on new players, you may end up on the wrong side of CCP. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10763	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:15:00 - [58] - Quote Codie Dunier wrote: MilitantMan wrote: DEFIER ORILIS wrote: Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station. Thx, DEIFER. this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh? And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time. I place bounties on people I decide are of a low standing to me. That fact makes all your ranting irrelevant. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Beta Miner COBRA Logistics Outer-Haven 3	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:45:00 - [59] - Quote Codie Dunier wrote: I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh? Well no, this would insulate the people who REALLY need bounties on their heads ... corp thieves, scammers and those annoying jerks who spam Jita.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 1190	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:47:00 - [60] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Bienator II wrote: rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. . nope. if somebody decides to put a bounty on somebody the isk is gone. If the victim really dislikes a bounty he just pays it of his pocket. The damage is done. It is a double isk sink. It would not invalidate the bounty so there is no reason why the bounty payer would have to get something back. You just decide between exploding and paying it. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked



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