http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7AOyDFzzng

Probably one of the best fights ive been in was facilitated by titan bridges.

All parties will have had eyes on each others titans and they were simply used to get the fight started and keep it going.

If you keep falling for cyno bait, consider that a lesson in situational awareness. I know a guy who lost 6bn isk to a cov ops cyno the yesterday. Black Ops can bridge out of high sec, should they be nerfed too?

All this talk of nerfing bridges is highly partisan. Namely, the parties without them want them nerfed lol.

Are you suggesting the wormhole puts ships back into the pos (whereby hostile ships will be ejected immediately) or outside the pos (whereby they will be ripped apart by pos defenses), either way, thanks for the free extraction .. +1 for this idea.

That ultimately means that no matter how aggressive or foolhardy a titan bridging force may be, they always engage on their own terms.

Exactly. This is an instanced PvP and is no different to instanced PvE some other games have. The funny thing is how the same folks currently abusing one-way game mechanics PvP-wise moan about those wanting to run their lucrative hi-sec PvE activities in the same safety.

OP here, this thread was the result of research into countering titan bridges.

When DnD moved into Aridia they seemed like a great bunch to fight, but they relied heavily on titan bridges. Titan bridging gives the bridgers the initiative in a fight compared to non-bridgers. That ultimately means that no matter how aggressive or foolhardy a titan bridging force may be, they always engage on their own terms.

Fighting on your opponent's terms is the best way to welp a fleet, so I went looking for ways to counter DnD's bridges. If I could fight on my terms rather then on theirs I might be able to leverage faster ships and superior numbers to have a chance against their heavy-buffer triage doctrine. I was surprised to find that no such counters existed in lowsec. So I wrote up my findings and posted them for all to see.

I never intended to propose a change or fix, or even argue that bridges are broken or bad for the game. I even went so far as to say that I respect DnD for their tactics, and I do. All I wanted was to raise awareness, so thank you, especially to the trolls, you guys bring comedy to an otherwise bland thread.

Because the alternative is losing a 120billion isk ship everytime you try and use it. Every single lowsec bridging Titan is watchlisted by 100s of pilots, even moving one (whereby it's vulnerable for ~1 minute) is pretty risky business.

Make ship cynos have a short range, so that now you have to work both jumpers and cyno range.
This way instead of being a strategic redeployment they act more as a short range helicopter insertion.
Meanwhile POS bridges and cynos have their current ranges (maybe buffed, but be made high level sov structures)
Ways to effect the titan brige is make it 2 way now dropping you becomes a back door into their operations area
Other option is to require that the bridge adhere to the same rules as the pos mod-50 km from sheild thus the titan is at risk along with the fleet.
Combining these 2 make the battles more interesting as safety is removed thus placing the risk factor closer to reward while still allowing use of the titan.


Also why was the titans ability to doomsday subcaps removed?

I ALWAYS engage on my own terms.

That's what most advanced PvPers can safely state, they surely don't rush into fights blindly. But the point is, in conventional PvP both parties can 'negotiate' at equal terms and easily avoid engagement if 'negotiations' fail. That's impossible for hot-dropping.

Incorrect. I think you are arguing against your impression of bridging rather than the reality. Fact is that in low sec, unless the party you are bridging WANTS to engage you are only ever going to tackle a few people by virtue of the 10 seconds it takes to light the cyno, the bridge to go up and then all the fleet to load the new grid. During which time, the enemy fleet has bailed apart from whatever the in-cyno had tackle on.

Unless of course, they wanted a fight and/or they had eyes on your titain and had an escallation waiting for you.

This is the reality of low-sec titan bridging. The power of titan bridging in dullsec relates closely with bubbles i would guess, but who cares about dullsec anyway?

Because the alternative is losing a 120billion isk ship everytime you try and use it. Every single lowsec bridging Titan is watchlisted by 100s of pilots, even moving one (whereby it's vulnerable for ~1 minute) is pretty risky business.

There are just too many clueless people posting in this thread for it to be constructive. I will say this tho, pretty much all the people posting about nerfing bridging in here are the kind of playrs that prefer small ships and small gangs, well guess what? ... Titans barely affect your playstyle, so why even bother worrying about it. I could even turn this around and say "it's too easy for BC and below to escape the field before the bridged ships can even load grid QQ. Triple align times and make grid loading faster please so I can bridge more destroyer gangs, kkthnx"

Incorrect. I think you are arguing against your impression of bridging rather than the reality. Fact is that in low sec, unless the party you are bridging WANTS to engage you are only ever going to tackle a few people by virtue of the 10 seconds it takes to light the cyno, the bridge to go up and then all the fleet to load the new grid. During which time, the enemy fleet has bailed apart from whatever the in-cyno had tackle on.

Unless of course, they wanted a fight and/or they had eyes on your titain and had an escallation waiting for you.

This is the reality of low-sec titan bridging. The power of titan bridging in dullsec relates closely with bubbles i would guess, but who cares about dullsec anyway?

Unless of course, they wanted a fight and/or they had eyes on your titain and had an escallation waiting for you.

Are you kidding? I realize you likely don't solo much or even do small "roaming" gang PVP, but trust me there are people that will bait random small gangs for a titian bridge just for lols. Hell I've even been dropped on when I was solo in a Rupture.

Also why was the titans ability to doomsday subcaps removed?

If you can't build it in low sec, then you shouldn't be able to field it in low sec.

I'd have no problem with this, but vast chunks of null would have to be filled in in order to actually move ships around. Especially in the north. More NPC Nullsec perhaps?

Isn't the easy solution here to have the Titan jump along with his fleet? Let's do this Titan thing right.

1. Killing the bridged fleets detters future bridging .

Goddamn you United States military! How dare you be better funded and have better equipment then everyone you fight! No more tanks, body armor, air support, or drones for you! Only AK47s and suicide vests from now on! Gotta make sure it's equal!





* Devils Advocate.

Someone read the whole post...



The US has to have its ships/airfields/planes out where they can be destroyed, even if it does take fancier equipment.
Titans can sit fully inside a POS, making them invulnerable, and bridge a 250 man fleet to any cyno on a T1 frigate within 20LY

That doesn't sound the LEAST bit OP on paper.

.. an aircraft carrier sending off aircraft for combat while being surrounded by a support fleet essentially shielding and protecting it.. yea that is nothing like being in a POS.

Smart FC - Enemy Cyno Up. Align to sun.
*Local Spike - Check numbers
Smart FC - We can't take this. Warp warp warp.
* A couple ships get snagged like any other fleet roam and retreat.