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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:28:00 -
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Tennessee Jack wrote:This Kind of Reminds me of the whole logoff tactic, where someone would leave a bait ship, people would attack it, then 10 to 50 people would all logon at the same time, warp to 0, then blast the enemy...
.... I actually don't quite know the difference between that and the titan bridge.....
Hot drop's should not have been a tactic. Yes it is cool and spacelike... but the implication's are causing more grief than it is worth.
I wonder what would happen if they removed hot dropping from lowsec, and made it nullsec only... I'm sure there has been tons of "no supercaps in lowsec" arguments out there though.
It has to be modified, possibly removed. It was more fun to roam around than to wait in a POS for the guy to say "jump and own". I wonder who the real carebears are.
"haha we are in our POS shields with 50 guys, we have a group of 8 people and were following them!!!! We OwnZ!!!!" "random guy in fleet: Hey why don't we just take 10 guys and warp over to them and brawl?!?!" "fleet commander: What are you a Noob.. We Might LOSE something. We Lose Nothing, Wait in POS, Cry like a Baby, and DO what I say, We will own them cause We are AweSome, have five times their fleet, protected by our shield, and can jump them at will. Why the HECK would I bother running around in space, possibly running into a bubble, gatecamp, other pirates, other wartargets, other people.... This is safe, they can't do anything to us, and we bypass all the trouble of actually going after them. Now shutup!!!!"
"random guy in fleet: ..... but whats the point, this ain't PvP.." "fleet commander: I SAID SHUT UP WE ARE SAFE NOBODY WILL BLOW US UP THEY CAN'T REACH US!?!?!" "random guy in fleet: ... this sucks "leaves fleet" "fleet commander: dork, Ok everybody else stay in the shield, I don't want to lose or risk any shinys". "scout: Found them, group of 6" "fleet commander: Light it, JUMP" 50 ships jump, Random skirmish happens, they blow up 2 ships" "fleet commander: AHAH RUN COWARDS" "fleet: HAHA RUN NOOBS, WE PVP Joo Gud!!!!"
................is that what actually happens?!?!?
Nope, not at all.
Most "Hotdroppers" are actually hoping for a proper fleet to drop on, a fight that might go either way. At least that's what I hope for, it's the most thrill you get in eve in my opinion.
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Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
0
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:25:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Tennessee Jack wrote:This Kind of Reminds me of the whole logoff tactic, where someone would leave a bait ship, people would attack it, then 10 to 50 people would all logon at the same time, warp to 0, then blast the enemy...
.... I actually don't quite know the difference between that and the titan bridge.....
Hot drop's should not have been a tactic. Yes it is cool and spacelike... but the implication's are causing more grief than it is worth.
I wonder what would happen if they removed hot dropping from lowsec, and made it nullsec only... I'm sure there has been tons of "no supercaps in lowsec" arguments out there though.
It has to be modified, possibly removed. It was more fun to roam around than to wait in a POS for the guy to say "jump and own". I wonder who the real carebears are.
"haha we are in our POS shields with 50 guys, we have a group of 8 people and were following them!!!! We OwnZ!!!!" "random guy in fleet: Hey why don't we just take 10 guys and warp over to them and brawl?!?!" "fleet commander: What are you a Noob.. We Might LOSE something. We Lose Nothing, Wait in POS, Cry like a Baby, and DO what I say, We will own them cause We are AweSome, have five times their fleet, protected by our shield, and can jump them at will. Why the HECK would I bother running around in space, possibly running into a bubble, gatecamp, other pirates, other wartargets, other people.... This is safe, they can't do anything to us, and we bypass all the trouble of actually going after them. Now shutup!!!!"
"random guy in fleet: ..... but whats the point, this ain't PvP.." "fleet commander: I SAID SHUT UP WE ARE SAFE NOBODY WILL BLOW US UP THEY CAN'T REACH US!?!?!" "random guy in fleet: ... this sucks "leaves fleet" "fleet commander: dork, Ok everybody else stay in the shield, I don't want to lose or risk any shinys". "scout: Found them, group of 6" "fleet commander: Light it, JUMP" 50 ships jump, Random skirmish happens, they blow up 2 ships" "fleet commander: AHAH RUN COWARDS" "fleet: HAHA RUN NOOBS, WE PVP Joo Gud!!!!"
................is that what actually happens?!?!? Nope, not at all. Most "Hotdroppers" are actually hoping for a proper fleet to drop on, a fight that might go either way. At least that's what I hope for, it's the most thrill you get in eve in my opinion.
ok now that is based on the assumption that people want a fair fight. No One Wants a fair fights.. people want to WIN, blow the Enemy to Bits, and Not lose a thing. People like the concept of a fair fight, proper fleet battles, but people do not like it above Winning the fight.
You are in a minority. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
116
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:27:00 -
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Tennessee Jack wrote:
ok now that is based on the assumption that people want a fair fight. No One Wants a fair fights.. people want to WIN, blow the Enemy to Bits, and Not lose a thing. People like the concept of a fair fight, proper fleet battles, but people do not like it above Winning the fight.
You are in a minority.
Well in my humble opinion, you are going to see a lot more people shout "Oh man, that was awesome!" and generally enjoying an intense fight with multiple BS/Caps kills and losses on both sides, rather than some meaningless gank.
"Oh yay, we killed a nidhoggur, woop dee do" -.-
And in my experience, those epic fights usually happen when both sides drop in reinforcements/batphones via Titan bridge or simply by jumping in caps.
Sometimes those reinforcements are scouted beforehand, sometimes they are not, but in the end it comes down to the individual skill of the pilots and how the FC reacts under pressure rather than by the simple fact a Titan bridge was used.
You really must underestimate the average eve player if you say all they want is an easy gank. Easy ganks are a fine way to pass the time when bored, but we will always choose a hard and good fight over the gank.
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Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
229
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:46:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:And in my experience, those epic fights usually happen when both sides drop in reinforcements/batphones via Titan bridge or simply by jumping in caps. Sup. o/
Capitol One wrote:Sometimes those reinforcements are scouted beforehand, sometimes they are not, but in the end it comes down to the individual skill of the pilots and how the FC reacts under pressure rather than by the simple fact a Titan bridge was used. Because 00 sov fights, where everything is joining the field by using a titan bridge, are won due to the "individual skills of the pilots".
Too good to be true ! |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
389
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:31:00 -
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Quick recap;
Thread started by a gate camper who is terrified because his eyes 3 jumps out in every direction cannot see an incoming titan bridge and may lose his ship when all he wanted to do was 5v1 the odd guy coming though his gate.
OP neglects to acknowledge that getting eyes on enemy titans and avoiding habits that are vulnerable to titan bridges when they are set up is an effective counter.
Not much else happened after that. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
116
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:39:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Capitol One wrote:And in my experience, those epic fights usually happen when both sides drop in reinforcements/batphones via Titan bridge or simply by jumping in caps. Sup. o/Capitol One wrote:Sometimes those reinforcements are scouted beforehand, sometimes they are not, but in the end it comes down to the individual skill of the pilots and how the FC reacts under pressure rather than by the simple fact a Titan bridge was used. Because 00 sov fights, where everything is joining the field by using a titan bridge, are won due to the "individual skills of the pilots". Too good to be true !
I was referring to lowsec bridging, which I thought this discussion was about, unless I'm confusing this thread with another one. |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
62
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Posted - 2012.12.22 04:36:00 -
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There are counters to bridgeing in losec
1, counter bridge 2, know your area ( intel and systems) 3, know your targets ( important toons / location of major assests/ main stageing area/ known cyno alt and scout alts ) 4, expect the unexpected
you will get cought from time to time but if you pull your head out your @ss and do bit intel gathering youll learn when to mess with some ppl and when not to
changeing the game to suite the lazy is allways a good idea tho my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k
nop cant find it |
Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:36:00 -
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This just sounds like someone crying because they are smaller and can't beat a larger force. There are plenty of ways of preventing or mitigating this kind of action, most of the suggestions you came up with are silly and impractical. Don;t you think if you bubble a titans bridge with a dictor then the hostile fleet will just kill you?
If you are a smaller force and you see a cyno then as you are smaller and more maneuvarable then use that to your advantage. The problem here is you are a small alliance but yet you are thinking of your tactics and warfare as if you were a large null sec alliance getting ready to compete in a head on clash. It's completely unrealistic to think about using dictors to prevent their fleet from jumping in when you have no kind of force to back that up.
So in essence as a low sec small alliance you need to change your mindset completely. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
4
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Posted - 2012.12.23 15:15:00 -
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boohoo richer aliances have a titan and isk and i dont booohooooo....... i suggest u grind like those corps that have one have done ..... simplez |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
4
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Posted - 2012.12.23 15:17:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Quick recap;
Thread started by a gate camper who is terrified because his eyes 3 jumps out in every direction cannot see an incoming titan bridge and may lose his ship when all he wanted to do was 5v1 the odd guy coming though his gate.
OP neglects to acknowledge that getting eyes on enemy titans and avoiding habits that are vulnerable to titan bridges when they are set up is an effective counter.
Not much else happened after that.
seems OP is looking for fair fights in his post but then we find out hes a gate camper who just wants to gank 1/2 ppl jumping unsuspecting thru gates and wen someone drops him when hes not expecting it cries ....... ur tears are delicious |
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
38
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Posted - 2013.01.03 13:35:00 -
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Check this topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182784&find=unread |
Trolling Face
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:51:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:
Nope, not at all.
Most "Hotdroppers" are actually hoping for a proper fleet to drop on, a fight that might go either way. At least that's what I hope for, it's the most thrill you get in eve in my opinion.
Take a trip thorugh random amarrian low sec and you will see that the elite pirates are dropping 15+ T3 and BS on a gang with 6 BC-¦s. 2 of the bc pilots are older than 4 months and the rest are totally newbs with T1 fitted drakes.
thats elite pvp at its best happening every couple of days.
i know that there are some guys out there who would not light the cyno, but who doesnt want some free and 10000% safe kills.
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alt gtc
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.03 16:53:00 -
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Opera Noir wrote: However since they nerfed doomsday devices [WHICH HAVE NEVER WORKED IN LOW SEC] Titans really should have some value [IN 0.0 SPACE] to represent their enormous investment. Fixed.
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Emily Florence Nightingale
Uskudar
27
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:23:00 -
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GenesisMike wrote:1) Jumping through gates is for peasants.
2) Italics are awesome.
3) If you aren't capable of adapting you are playing the wrong game.
Mike
All of this to be honest
and my main still thinks the OP is an idiot |
CyberRaver
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:36:00 -
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The DND guys you seem to hate so much bridged onto goons recently, and much goodfites were had, the reason we came out on top was due to having friends,eve is a numbers game, always has been |
Shadowschild
Black Lance Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:27:00 -
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You want to counter a titan bridge? Get another titan to bridge your fleet in.
They accelerate pvp! |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:58:00 -
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it's not fair to the fish
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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
302
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:39:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Smart FC - Enemy Cyno Up. Align to sun. *Local Spike - Check numbers Smart FC - We can't take this. Warp warp warp. * A couple ships get snagged like any other fleet roam and retreat.
I keep seeing theis Titan issues popping up.
In my fleets iv been: Dropped by DnD Dropped by SC Dropped by PL
Along with alot of others. And to be fair only with few loses if not a win, or bail.
Last week we got dropped 3 times by PL, and to be fair, if we had seen them in local next door we would problally just had bailed out, but instead we ended up in a 15min fight which we won, and 50 odd people having a laugh on TS.
DnD we exspected a drop from, which ended up in them loosing a few dreads and carriers. (Not saying, we havnt lost plenty in other fights)
When you get dropped once, exspect it comming, mark you targets so youll know you can exspect it in the future.
I serious dont see it as a big problem, as long as you always are prepare for it.
As one stated, with you have a toon with 100m Skillpoints and a 100b ship, you should have a small benifit.
I saw someone state, if you have a titan you rule low sec. Thats not true. If you missuse your titan, youll end up never getting any fights, and people exspect it comming, and avoid the engagements.
Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
302
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:41:00 -
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Forgot to say, you have benifits in null, was stated....
Titan have a benifit to, they can brigde trough, trow a bubble and catch the hole fleet, in low sec you have a chance to get most of the fleet out if not all. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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