Making missions take longer was not the right way to reduce this isk faucet. But it was a clever way of hiding this nerf to the isk faucet without hurting the null sec dwellers. Reduce the isk/hr of high sec mission runners while the isk faucet reduction will benefit the null sec dwellers. I believe this was the real reason for this change.

But it was a clever way of hiding this nerf to the isk faucet without hurting the null sec dwellers. Reduce the isk/hr of high sec mission runners while the isk faucet reduction will benefit the null sec dwellers. I believe this was the real reason for this change.

Are we bros... you even lift? Like I am gonna help anyone out I dont know. Do I look like a charity to you ..... I just want the bitching to stop because you sound like a bunch of women.

L4 missions at least were meant to be run by pretty new toons, a few million skill points toons, mostly with T1 ships learning to manage aggro and triggers.

New npc AI is not a bug. Neither it is challenging. It is just PITA of micromanaging drones via terrible drone UI.

Angel seems to be the only NPCs that I haven't had a real challenge with, despite that. AE was pretty standard for me.

The bad stuff are usually the Serp / Gurista missions where full room agro means you can't target 10k in front of you due to heavy damp and jam. Its in that point where the tanks are being stretched, and at you get around 1200 dps or so incoming due to NPCs reaching their optimals.

Heavy damp and jam - sounds like a really bad product located at the grocery store in the aisle with the peanut butter and jelly.

No doubt if you look at forum posts people were asking for more engaging content. While CCP should always be wary of player backlash they should also seek to engage us, which I believe they are trying to do both in game and out.

The new AI is a good thing, and no doubt it will have bugs smoothed out and be iterated on in the coming months.

The old AI was bad, so very bad

I have to say this thread is hilarious.

I never knew mission runners can turn "leet" WoW style on others, just because they don't fly a mach / don't fly 3B ship / don't have 40+ million skill points toon.

L4 missions at least were meant to be run by pretty new toons, a few million skill points toons, mostly with T1 ships learning to manage aggro and triggers.
L4 missions were not meant to be flown by only only "leet" pirate or T2 ships with insanely expensive fits.
L4 missions were not meant to pop you where you stand 15 seconds from entering the dead-space unless you are aligned and run for your life the moment you landed on grid.

This is the issue. People with such "cool" gear like "L2P" WoW style, where they forget that this issue is seriously crippling new players. The learning curve went from L1->L4 pretty straight forward and pretty linear, to L1->L3 linear, and than a HUGE jump in the learning curve and skills needed to even survive a mission, let alone complete it.

Please share these awesome fits you guys have. I'm curious to see what can tank over 9000 DPS.

OP surely will deliver.

If we tone down the sarcasm to 1300-1500 while using an only T2 fit on a T1 battleship that can realistically tank as long as to apply it's dps to reduce incoming fire, somehow work around EWAR (ofc not in angel space), all the while able to clear scramming frigs in case things go south, there's a point there.
Oh and a semi-low SP player alone. Since I could run L4s with a domi before around 2-3 mill SP. Not that it was effectively done.

Tough the 1500 dps is partially due to a bug.

OMG, I corrected someone else's sarcasm.
Need to take my meds. Or is it because I already took them?

Still waiting for a battle clinic load out or it written down here.

Please do share.

If L IV missions are to hard for you, stick with the L III's.

My second mission I did the same thing again, but this time as soon as they started targeting my drones I pulled them back immediately. Then 20 seconds later (or after they had all started hitting me again) I pulled them back out again, from then on my drones were not attacked for the rest of the battle.

I don't think mission runners were any real issue as an isk faucet.

The ISK is only decent, not "omg billions of ISK falling into my lap just by pressing F1". It was pretty easy, but not a faucet.
The people who AFK mission, didn't do as much ISK/Hour anyway, and the people who farm missions in 2-3B isk ships, would barely be hurt by the change if at all once the triggers on the buggy missions get fixed.

No mission does 9k DPS even with full room aggro, quit with the overdramatics.

Taking out Battlecruisers and Destroyers first, paper tanked ships with high DPS, will drastically reduce your damage intake.

If missions were doing 9K DPS... The idea of that is just insane.

Don't forget cruisers that get right up in your face < 10km. A bunch of those can really hurt. Mordus Headhunters comes to mind when I think about that. 27 cruisers and battlecruisers (at least 3/4 of them in your face) plus 10 BSes hitting you at their optimals.

A MJD probably would have been the best thing on that mission. I tried to hero tank it in my rattlesnake. I will say this - 900 dps tank wasn't enough there.

I think I'm just going to dual XL ASB from now on.

Come on, the guy was exaggerating two days ago over that, and I replied with a slightly more realistic number right off the bat, don't really see why it had to be dug up days later...

Rattlesnake... I did try tanking that room in one with only T2 modules, was passive, worked fine.
It was pre-DDA times, so the damage would be even more pathetic now, but I think with two DDAs and two omnidirectionals, it should still work quite fine with a good mix of hardeners recharger and extender in the mids.

Now as for the rest of the ships of new eden, that cannot tank like that...
As I've been pointed out rats do not disable the MJD, so a new era of mission sniping BS fits has come?

Considering the range of Autocannons and Pulses, and the significant benefits of Rails over Blasters, I think snipe setups already exist.

Come on, the guy was exaggerating two days ago over that, and I replied with a slightly more realistic number right off the bat, don't really see why it had to be dug up days later...

Rattlesnake... I did try tanking that room in one with only T2 modules, was passive, worked fine.
It was pre-DDA times, so the damage would be even more pathetic now, but I think with two DDAs and two omnidirectionals, it should still work quite fine with a good mix of hardeners recharger and extender in the mids.

Now as for the rest of the ships of new eden, that cannot tank like that...
As I've been pointed out rats do not disable the MJD, so a new era of mission sniping BS fits has come?

Still waiting for a battle clinic load out or it written down here.

Please do share.