seems like an opportunity to me. buy hurricane at $45M, reprocess and sell mins at $57M. profit?!?

as usual, people cant stay on topic; perhaps it's what happens when you spend too much time playing a game. I am specifically interested in the market facts and community theories, not a side bar conversation on missed opportunities and such.

As more and more stuff gets stealth nerfed to 40% reproc, it will only get worse.

Our 'emergent' game play 'emerges' when a new patch comes out.
While I do agree with you on manipulation, it's broader and doesn't really apply in the case of minerals. I'd speculate and say we are just now running out of drone region stocks.

? Stealth nerfed?

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

Reproc a cruiser, reproc a Barge.
They don't reproc at 90% of build. They reproc at 40% because they modified the build costs and kept reproc at old values to keep people from creating minerals. A short term fix with a long term nerf as a result.

So much missing information here (I particularly love the first reply about tears - which is less than worthless).

Mineral requirements for the Hurricane increased with the last patch so what everyone did was run a crap load of prepatch Hurricanes at the lower requirements and flooded the market. The same thing happened with mining barges last patch. I think that Retrievers are still selling for lower than the build value because of the backlog.

If you buy one now and reprocess it, it will reprocess at the original mineral value and not the higher amount - the missing materials are considered "extra" - this was done so that people couldn't make a ton of them prepatach and then make isk reprocessing them.

So, long answer to a short question, building new Hurricanes now will be a loss. The price will increase as the flooded market is bought out but there is no telling how long that will be.

As more and more stuff gets stealth nerfed to 40% reproc, it will only get worse.

Our 'emergent' game play 'emerges' when a new patch comes out.
While I do agree with you on manipulation, it's broader and doesn't really apply in the case of minerals. I'd speculate and say we are just now running out of drone region stocks.

In our region at the moment Retrievers seem to be back to normal. Cheaper to make than to buy.

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

Reproc a cruiser, reproc a Barge.
They don't reproc at 90% of build. They reproc at 40% because they modified the build costs and kept reproc at old values to keep people from creating minerals. A short term fix with a long term nerf as a result.

Ahh. I see your point. I don't agree with it, but I understand what you mean.

Short version, because I'm not looking for an argument: It's not a nerf, because there is no /reduction/ in the materials you get back. Just an increase in what you have to put in.

While I might be wrong, I don't think reprocessing of this kind of thing isn't a major mineral transfer point. No numbers on it though.

So much missing information here (I particularly love the first reply about tears - which is less than worthless).

Mineral requirements for the Hurricane increased with the last patch so what everyone did was run a crap load of prepatch Hurricanes at the lower requirements and flooded the market. The same thing happened with mining barges last patch. I think that Retrievers are still selling for lower than the build value because of the backlog.

If you buy one now and reprocess it, it will reprocess at the original mineral value and not the higher amount - the missing materials are considered "extra" - this was done so that people couldn't make a ton of them prepatach and then make isk reprocessing them.

So, long answer to a short question, building new Hurricanes now will be a loss. The price will increase as the flooded market is bought out but there is no telling how long that will be.

Jita low sell right now is 23.9M so it's still pretty off in The Forge. I think that build is something like 32-33M.

I think the OP is confused ..the title asks what is happening to mineral prices but he complains about the build costs of a particular ship..

Based on the trends on the last week mineral prices look like they're starting to come back down to where they were a month or so ago, no that the spike caused by people buying them like crazy to build cruisers pre-patch has burst.

Perhaps the OP should pay more attention to the market.... an analysis would show how many cruisers are now selling at below production cost, and as posted on another thread there are toons out there that have thousands of crusiers, so this situation is likely to remain well into 2014..

If you put up buy orders for minerals in out of the way systems you can get them for a much lower cost than their value at trade hubs. Build stuff from those minerals and sell, and you can make isk even if it looks like you are selling "under cost".

Is there an eve population density map that shows where most players are at (out of game that is)?

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Nevryn,
Is there truely a larger consumer base for pvp goods than suppliers of said goods? Is the mere fact that someone can spend out of game cash for in game isk making this a suppliers market, because people can and will afford more "shinny ships"?

I have the sense to think that CCP want's you to buy more than one account, they want you to buy plexes/gtcs to keep up with the inflation of pvp, and there is no motive to change it.

I priced the build cost at roughly 57M
Jita market prices are 45M, how can this be?

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

Reproc a cruiser, reproc a Barge.
They don't reproc at 90% of build. They reproc at 40% because they modified the build costs and kept reproc at old values to keep people from creating minerals. A short term fix with a long term nerf as a result.

so then what is the point of repoc,

So much missing information here (I particularly love the first reply about tears - which is less than worthless).

Mineral requirements for the Hurricane increased with the last patch so what everyone did was run a crap load of prepatch Hurricanes at the lower requirements and flooded the market. The same thing happened with mining barges last patch. I think that Retrievers are still selling for lower than the build value because of the backlog.

If you buy one now and reprocess it, it will reprocess at the original mineral value and not the higher amount - the missing materials are considered "extra" - this was done so that people couldn't make a ton of them prepatach and then make isk reprocessing them.

So, long answer to a short question, building new Hurricanes now will be a loss. The price will increase as the flooded market is bought out but there is no telling how long that will be.

One of the biggest demand drivers in the game that is pushing mineral prices up is supercap mfg.
The null sec guys don't want to talk about it, and CCP stopped publishing numbers on supercaps May 29th of this year.

But have a look at a Nyx BPO. You can make approx 1000 BC's for every Nyx out there.

I did an analysis and posted it weeks ago based on the May 29th snapshot of supercaps in the game.
I lowballed the mineral requirements, but based on the Jita sell prices that day, there was 134 Trillion in minerals tied up in the supercap hulls. That was just the hulls.
And that was 6 months ago.

Imagine how many more supercaps have been cranked out now that null is a blue fest and CSAA's are much safer than they wee 6 months ago.

I was not aware hurricanes were changed yet. Mining barges, Frigates and cruisers have been changed. Battlecruisers, i.e. hurricanes, and battleships are to be changed on the next pass.

Even at the peak (approx. 1 titan and two supercarriers a day) the combined consumption of tritanium by all supercap production was less than half of what's used for battleships and battlecruisers.

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

Reproc a cruiser, reproc a Barge.
They don't reproc at 90% of build. They reproc at 40% because they modified the build costs and kept reproc at old values to keep people from creating minerals. A short term fix with a long term nerf as a result.

Nevryn,
Please excuse yourserlf from this conversation if all you have to offer are comments that don't push the conversation forward.
Back in 2007 and 2008, Trit had a trend line that floated around 2 - 3 isk/unit. Today it's almost double that. My forum post is to gain insight to a seemingly open markt pushed by game consumers (player base) yielding what seems to be a market trend that outpaces player income (earned thru the game, not GTCs) . Is there truely a larger consumer base for pvp goods than suppliers of said goods? Is the mere fact that someone can spend out of game cash for in game isk making this a suppliers market, because people can and will afford more "shinny ships"?

One of the biggest demand drivers in the game that is pushing mineral prices up is supercap mfg.
The null sec guys don't want to talk about it, and CCP stopped publishing numbers on supercaps May 29th of this year.

But have a look at a Nyx BPO. You can make approx 1000 BC's for every Nyx out there.

I did an analysis and posted it weeks ago based on the May 29th snapshot of supercaps in the game.
I lowballed the mineral requirements, but based on the Jita sell prices that day, there was 134 Trillion in minerals tied up in the supercap hulls. That was just the hulls.
And that was 6 months ago.

Imagine how many more supercaps have been cranked out now that null is a blue fest and CSAA's are much safer than they wee 6 months ago.

If you're trying to soft peddle the amount of minerals consumed by supercapitals, saying that they amount to less than half of what's used by the largest consumer of minerals (BC/BS) is underwhelming. I wish the economy folks at CCP would publish a pie chart showing mineral consumption distribution. Or several pie charts, one per period for the last several quarters.

MDD

Yet low end mins r still at rock bottom

i know i haven't been playing for the full 10 years, but low ends are higher now than i've ever seen them in the last ~18 months, if not 2 years. perhaps longer.

You have to learn to read these posts.

low end minerals at rock bottom= miners don't make more than people missioning

i have to learn to read. that's besides the point, though. :P

have miners ever made more than people doing missions? isn't that pretty much just the price we pay for having the most afkable "job" in eve? besides, mining is still respectable isk/hour.

i have to learn to read. that's besides the point, though. :P

have miners ever made more than people doing missions? isn't that pretty much just the price we pay for having the most afkable "job" in eve? besides, mining is still respectable isk/hour.

Maybe I'm insane, but what if they doubled the mineral cost of cruisers/frigs (and possibly BC/BS's next) in order to bring the prices of those items in line with today's inflation. I mean, the price of trit/pyer/mex has barely gone up in the past 5 years, while the amount of isk pouring into the game through bounties/mission rewards/bonuses has sky rocketed in the same time.

I mean, now a days, everyone's a billionaire! But the price of trit is STILL below 10isk/unit? Something's gotta give at some point...

And like others have said, as long as you have your finger in the market DURING the inflation, you're wallet will rise with the market.

Less than L4 but more than L2 and on par with some L3 missions.

Actually, if CCP nerfed L4 income by half (some in GD are asking for that), roids mining would displace L4 from the "throne". Why bother with Sleepers Lite AI, scramming frigs, damaging fields, warp 3-4 stations, spend months into training a ship and buying some good gear for it and grind standings, when you could make 2-3 M less a hour just by sitting at a rock?