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Kiiith
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Posted - 2005.05.09 14:46:00 -
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just wondering which ship i should be aiming for. what are the main selling points of each ship. i know enyo has missiles and ishkur is drones. since i have fairly decent drone skills, i was thinking ishkur, but is it easy to get missile skills up to a good enough level to use effectivly?
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:00:00 -
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get both and see wich you like most
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 09/05/2005 15:18:30
Enyo has limited missile ability.
tbh it's not realy it's selling point, it's durability and gun rack is.
Personaly i like the green one... the colour scheme and design is ohh so much better.
Depends what your doing i spose, 9 drones normaly says i want to be left alone, a rack of rails is normaly giving them the impresion you intend to nail them.....
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Shirer Aprenon
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:35:00 -
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I have an Ishkur, which is ok, except against missile spamming PVPers/NPCs.
I find that having one or 2 missile hardpoints for defenders in a rocket pod is quite handy.
Drones cannot provide a defence v missiles, Smartbombs are not fast enough to pop everything that's incoming. Look at the missile changes and see what you reckon - defenders for me everytime.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.05.09 17:27:00 -
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ishkur is better for solo
tho I always forgot to use my drones 
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Maverick McDougel
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Posted - 2005.05.09 18:01:00 -
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Before I got moved into hac's I flew an Enyo and loved it.
Basically my set-up was 4 t2 125mm railguns, 1 arbalest rocket launcher, 1 t2 1mn mwd, 1 warp disruptor, 1 passive explosive armor hardner, 1 t2 small armor rep., 1 cpr, and a t2 magnetic field stab. I solo'd with it all the time.
The biggest point with the assault ships of any kind is that it is important to pick your fights. No one should try to take on a Caracal if you are in an Enyo just like you wouldn't want to take a thorax against a Raven, just common sense. As long as you don't bite off more than you can chew an Enyo or an Ishkur is a great ship and it boils down to playing style. Do you like drones for backup or relying on your gunnery skills but in either case again you just need to keep your wits about you.
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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2005.05.09 18:07:00 -
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I like the Enyo for PvE. The fact that it can mount 4 turrets and a rocket launcher full of defenders is nice. You can handle most cruisers easily with one. I use a rocket launcher since it's got a great rate of fire and I often use antimatter in my T2 rails so I'm within rocket range. When I'm sniping at long range, (40-50km) I'm out of missle range anyway.
The Ishkur's drones are nice, (I've got both ships) but drones are stupid about choosing targets and you have to keep telling them to attack. I've also got good drone skills and can use 9 of them with the Ishkur, but still use the Enyo most of the time.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.09 18:45:00 -
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 Originally by: siim
ishkur is better for solo
tho I always forgot to use my drones
Yah u worthless bum 
Enyo > ishkur IMO, tho ishkur is arguably the best 1v1 assault ship.
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.05.09 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 09/05/2005 19:00:29
Ish has 3 med slots,
Flashy prong's
Half the cost
though u can easyly get both cause 12 and 25mill aint hard to come bye
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Helox
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Maverick McDougel
The biggest point with the assault ships of any kind is that it is important to pick your fights. No one should try to take on a Caracal if you are in an Enyo just like you wouldn't want to take a thorax against a Raven, just common sense. As long as you don't bite off more than you can chew an Enyo or an Ishkur is a great ship and it boils down to playing style. Do you like drones for backup or relying on your gunnery skills but in either case again you just need to keep your wits about you.
Actually, with decent skills and a mwd (provided that the Caracal doesn't use a webber) you should be able to take it down without too much trouble 
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/05/2005 19:55:07
Currently, the enyo has more firepower but your going to need help tackling. No on the other hand, when tech II drones come out (If ever >_< ) the lack of missle slot and turret slot will be made up by the nice huge drone bay.
But, I still think the Ishkur is the best interceptor killer.
Also, a Cracal is no problem with an Enyo so I don't know people say stay away.
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 09/05/2005 20:27:38
I can kill an enyo with my ishkur
and an ishkur with my enyo
hope that helps :)
depends what your doing
solo = fly an ishkur
in a group = enyo
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
solo = fly an ishkur
in a group = enyo
I've found that the enyo is an excellent point ship in a gunline. With a fast lock time and rails with medium/long range ammo you can kill tech1 and 2 frigates and pods with ease. You can also take some damage and actually get a chance to disengage, whereas a ceptor would just pop.
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Rapturea
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Posted - 2005.05.09 21:04:00 -
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i had my enyo first, and later on picked up an ishkur just to try it out. as far as weapon load, i am ussing T2 neuts on the enyo and T2 125's on the ishkur. The extra mid slot helps alot for holding targets. it really wouldent hurt at all to just get both, they are excellent ships and fill slightly different roles. this way you can be prepared for anything 
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Maverick McDougel
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Posted - 2005.05.09 22:08:00 -
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In my expierence a decent Caracal pilot will have a web unless you catch them NpC'ing. I don't know why people say that Ishkur is better for solo'ing because I've 1vs1 in my Enyo against one and come out on top 
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Demetrius Carnigie
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Posted - 2005.05.09 22:16:00 -
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My Enyo will rip aparnt an Ishkur anyday of the week tbh, 8 Light drones dont do much damage, with right tankng Enyo can be practically invinible to everything expect exploive ;p
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.05.09 22:44:00 -
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The Ishkur looks so much better than the Enyo.
It's all about the shiny green hull.
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.05.09 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 09/05/2005 23:37:10
with a bit of work and high skills 10 heavy drones is cool
cant out gun an enyo or cara....so Ish win's through EW
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.10 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHxFREE
Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 09/05/2005 23:37:10
with a bit of work and high skills 10 heavy drones is cool
cant out gun an enyo or cara....so Ish win's through EW
think u mean light drones... :S.
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.05.10 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: DARTHxFREE
Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 09/05/2005 23:37:10
with a bit of work and high skills 10 heavy drones is cool
cant out gun an enyo or cara....so Ish win's through EW
think u mean light drones... :S.
nope...heavy's
drop, go back for another,..drop, reapeat then scoop and realse till u have all heavies
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piercer
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Posted - 2005.05.10 16:44:00 -
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I bought an enyo and fitted it with blasters for a small group frigate PvP. (i dont like rails atm)
The ion blasters work amazingly well with antimatter and the rocket launcher makes it a good fight against missile ships.
In the group i had (1x enyo, 2x thrashers) we took out a caracal solo and a rupture without losing any ships.
Havnt tried the ishkur yet but it does seem like a nice ship because of its nice drone capabilities... i didnt buy one though because i would forget to use the drones and if i did i would leave them behind 
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Espen
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Posted - 2005.05.10 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Espen on 10/05/2005 16:47:00
Originally by: DARTHxFREE
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: DARTHxFREE
Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 09/05/2005 23:37:10
with a bit of work and high skills 10 heavy drones is cool
cant out gun an enyo or cara....so Ish win's through EW
think u mean light drones... :S.
nope...heavy's
drop, go back for another,..drop, reapeat then scoop and realse till u have all heavies
Can't warp or jump anywhere then 
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Kiiith
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Posted - 2005.05.10 16:47:00 -
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i think i'll go with an enyo first, then i might try an ishkur later. thanks for the info.
also, is it possible to do what DARTHxFREE said, about the heavy's? i know it would be awkward when having to jump anywhere, but it might be handy.
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Chuck Sausage
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Posted - 2005.05.10 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Neurotic Cat
The Ishkur looks so much better than the Enyo.
It's all about the shiny green hull.
No way dude. Enyo looks like the Halo guy's helmet. Nothing is better than the Master Chief.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.10 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: piercer
I bought an enyo and fitted it with blasters for a small group frigate PvP. (i dont like rails atm)
The ion blasters work amazingly well with antimatter and the rocket launcher makes it a good fight against missile ships.
In the group i had (1x enyo, 2x thrashers) we took out a caracal solo and a rupture without losing any ships.
Havnt tried the ishkur yet but it does seem like a nice ship because of its nice drone capabilities... i didnt buy one though because i would forget to use the drones and if i did i would leave them behind
you can take out a caracel and a rupture in a 125 II enyo alone.
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Jeremiah Bullfrog
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Posted - 2005.05.10 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kiiith
i think i'll go with an enyo first, then i might try an ishkur later. thanks for the info.
also, is it possible to do what DARTHxFREE said, about the heavy's? i know it would be awkward when having to jump anywhere, but it might be handy.
Yes it works.
Of course you have to go back to the station to get each drone (or, at max A.S. skill, 2 drones) and then, um you have to go back to the station to drop off each drone when you're done... 20 trips to the station and 10 jumps for each jump you would have normally made if you're moving all your drones... It's up to you to determine if it's worth it. Funny, yes, and hard hitting... but is it worth it?
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Akaviri
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Posted - 2005.05.10 20:24:00 -
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Well, I'm about to finish Gallente Frig V in 22 hrs and I'm considering the Enyo vs Ishkur question. TBH, the Ishkur looks like a sweet little frig, a micro dominix. I was wondering how well does the Suck-a-Ishkur work? High's mostly nosses, and relying on drones to kill. I can see how it can be kinda useless for killing intys that keep their distance but how good is that setup for killing cruisers and other assault frigs?
I'll probably end up getting both assault frigs. The Enyo looks good too. It's just that I'm not too fond of the rather high market prices for it and the fact that it has only 2 midslots.
Also, for the ppl that are considering using that heavy drone trick. It's easy if you have someone with you in a Thorax. He can just pop out 8 heavies and fly to a station to pick up more drones for himself. If you've got 2 in your drone bay to start with, then you have 10 drones with only one trip. Or heck, if you're with a Dominix you can just borrow 8 heavies and no trips to the station will be needed. Still, that is quite a hassle and is only good for camping gates or stations.
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.05.10 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Akaviri
Well, I'm about to finish Gallente Frig V in 22 hrs and I'm considering the Enyo vs Ishkur question. TBH, the Ishkur looks like a sweet little frig, a micro dominix. I was wondering how well does the Suck-a-Ishkur work? High's mostly nosses, and relying on drones to kill. I can see how it can be kinda useless for killing intys that keep their distance but how good is that setup for killing cruisers and other assault frigs?
In my experience, the nos-Ishkur is the king of AF 1v1s. The drain isn't enough to hurt cruisers. It's mostly a one-trick pony, but it's fun nonetheless.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.05.10 21:20:00 -
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Not sure the drone damage would be high enough.
I'm thinking of trying a small neut + guns + cap injector setup when I get a new one, but it's awkward. You'd have to choose between webby and scrambler. If you have a webby but no scrambler you'll lose targets and if you have a scrambler but no webby a Harpy or whatever will just web you and you won't get in neutralizer range and he'll spank you hard (or an inty will******you).
If you got in range for the neut though, you'd be draining more than a med nos does, so you shouldn't have a problem screwing over most other AF tanks. You'd need good skills to keep everything going though (energy management 5, energy systems op 5, energy emission systems 4/5, propulsion jamming 4/5).
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Posted - 2005.05.10 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Verizana on 10/05/2005 22:25:07
So...
It depends on what you want. Ishkur is my close range damage dealer, with:
High: 3xneutrons II
Med: 1mn ab II Warp scram and Web
Low: 2 Magnetic field stabs II's 1 cap power relay
Dronebay: 7 Acolyte drones (more the better) they are excellent agains other ceptors or some frigs.
My ishkur setup worked great against frigs-cruisers. This is a damage dealing bastard.
The enyo is alot different though. You can use blasters and you can also use rails. I chose blasters. Simply because they are more fun :D
High: 4xIon II
Med: 1mn MWD 1 Warp scrambler
Low: 1 Hardener, 1 cap power relay, 2 Magnetic field stabs II
As you see I am basicly much for the damage pilot. I didn't want to go with the rails yet but I tested rails on the ishkur. Rails are just for more long range (wich I dont like).
So I would recommend using blasters. You have many options for the fitting of those ships. Just test your self with the fittings.
Enyo: Cruiser ganking
Ishkur: Frig killing bastard
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.05.10 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: piercer
I bought an enyo and fitted it with blasters for a small group frigate PvP. (i dont like rails atm)
The ion blasters work amazingly well with antimatter and the rocket launcher makes it a good fight against missile ships.
In the group i had (1x enyo, 2x thrashers) we took out a caracal solo and a rupture without losing any ships.
With blasters, using defenders is pretty useless IMHO. Only at the approach you'll take out some of the missiles after that they all just hit.
I think a good Enyo pilot can take out two normal cruiser pilots solo (unless they are fitted with nosses).
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velox
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Posted - 2005.05.10 23:00:00 -
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Shelaria my corp mate and I recently treated ourselves to one of each. So far we have had so much fun in the enyo's that the ishkurs are getting dusty in the corp hanger.
We are setup to fight as a team, Shel uses rails with antimatter and is equipped with a webber and my choice is Modal Ions and Neutrons with antimatter. We have defenders and Piranahs on board.
Thought we would test it out in a level 3 dungeon and it was to easy so then we tried a Phi Serp level 4 dungeon. On our second attempt the cream was webbing the Serp BS me orbitting at 1000mtrs total earnings where about 3-4 million each. we went back 3 hours later and did it again.
Shelaria Enyo - Loadout 1
HI - 125mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
HI - 125mm Compressed Coil Gun I
HI - 125mm Compressed Coil Gun I
HI - 125mm Compressed Coil Gun I
HI - Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay
MED - Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
MED - X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
LOW - Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
LOW - Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
LOW - Capacitor Power Relay I
LOW - Small Armour Regenerator II
Velox Enyo - Loadout 1
HI - Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I
HI - Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I
HI - Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I
HI - Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I
HI - Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay
MED - Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
MED - Small Shield Recharger II
LOW - Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
LOW - Capacitor Power Relay I
LOW - Capacitor Power Relay I
LOW - Small Armour Regenerator II
We are still playing with the setups but its definately one tough little support vessel. If you could get 4 to 5 of these together fronting for a EW platform or two the results would be devastating.
I will train the assault frigate skill next to increase the iskurs drone allowance and will then start the experiments again.
I love my enyo though.... its a keeper.
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.05.10 23:36:00 -
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Light drones damage is poodoo,
my 8 wariors against armor was about the same damage as a nuet with AM, at the most
1 extra blaster with no cap usage,..PG or CPU,?
drones are a deterant to frigs....but im for the Ish'kur for the 3 med slots only
For missions
2 blasters 2 nos and drones 2 T2 shield boosters 3 PDU's
3 blasters 2 nos 2 T2 armor repairs
kinda add's up to the same for me
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.05.11 00:27:00 -
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Enyo - ishkur sucks imho - the drones are useless agaisnt AF's and the nos set-up is a joke. if u need to get away ur never guna have time to recall ur drones which is a bummer when ur out in the field.
Enyo is my baby i solo excellent with it, you dont need to tank it anymore than it is neither do u need to waste your mids with scramblers etc make it for ganking or like me fit it for hit and run. very very nice ship, so nice to fit.
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Cupdeez
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Posted - 2005.05.12 19:16:00 -
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i can't beleave you guys put blasters on the enyo.. and i can't beleave you use 125mm guns... I'm going to cry wow...
I setup my ishkur like a ceptor but with 150mm t2 guns and put a remote amor repair turnedd off in the 4th high slot
enyo i use 4(150mm) t2 guns with 1 named launcher mid slots = web and (tracking cpu) low i tank her..
took out 3 ceptors and 1 rifter with her with no problems.. cruiser are also pretty easy but you have to watch out for amor tanked NOSing cruisers.. no cap and your dead.
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Cupdeez
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Posted - 2005.05.12 19:18:00 -
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o'yah for the people that say 150mm t2 guns can't track.. its prob because you lack the skill.. I have no problem hitting a ceptor orbiting me at 15km with a mwd on..
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Kiiith
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Posted - 2005.05.12 19:45:00 -
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when would a ceptor orbit at 15km?? i though ceptors were only useful once they get really close? i would have though they would be **** at that range?
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Maverick McDougel
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Posted - 2005.05.12 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kiiith
when would a ceptor orbit at 15km??
any decent crow pilot who uses missiles and not rockets
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.05.13 00:10:00 -
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not a bad set-up cup but rather slow with that set-up might aswell use a thorax\rupture or a maller set-up for anti-frig.
they need speed.
The "enyo" is a piece of art. Greatest AF out there when set-up correctly.
GL with ur's tho.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.05.13 02:58:00 -
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Quote:
I'll probably end up getting both assault frigs. The Enyo looks good too. It's just that I'm not too fond of the rather high market prices for it and the fact that it has only 2 midslots.
Here is a simple piece of advice. You don't just train a skill to buy "A" ship.
Make the time and money worth spending.
Buy both ships and try them out.
The Enyo and the Ishkur have a different character; one is a gang baster and the other is drone master.
I put this philosophy into practice. Yesterday I bought myself a Deimos and an Ishtar in anticipation when my Gallente Cruiser L5 will be finished in a day or two.
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Akaviri
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Posted - 2005.05.13 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Slithereen
Here is a simple piece of advice. You don't just train a skill to buy "A" ship.
I already bought both, and both gallente interceptors. I had inty and assault skill trained up before I decided what race frig to train to lvl 5. I trained up that skill based on both the two assault ships and the two intys that would become available to me. I didn't think, "Oooh, the Ishkur looks kewl, I'm gonna train up to get that ship!" I can see how my last post might have seemed that way though.
They seem to both have their pros and cons. I'll have to pvp a bit with them before I form a solid opinion of both.
Anyway, to Sangxiac. I was thinking of running 1 gun, 1 small neut, and 2 small nos. I start the neut first, followed by the 2 small nosses. Once his cap is gone, I turn off the neut. I'll just have to try this out and see how it works. You're right about the dmg being kinda low though.
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Posted - 2005.05.13 09:19:00 -
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I have and fly both. The Enyo is a keeper, I use a fairly standard 4 x 125mm II, rocket launcher, 1mn AB II setup, works like a charm - though only combat tested in PVE so far. Can solo 1mil battleships, haven't tried anything bigger yet.
The Ishkur is a bit more problematic, I've tried it as a rail platform but the Enyo is just so much better at that, especially since it gets a tracking bonus and the Ishkur does not. Seems that blasters would work better, and I've had some good results there... though missile spammers are always a problem. 9 light drones rock, though... I should get around to training Assaults V to get the full 10.
One question: do you guys use MWDs on these ships? In PvP a blaster boat without an MWD would probably be too slow to be useful (?), but on the other hand the MWD gimps both grid and cap in a nasty way. Opinions?
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.05.13 12:57:00 -
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Conclusion:
Bye them both,
have a hanger full of module's, you will never stick with the same
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