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hired goon	Posted - 2005.05.11 11:53:00 - [1] Great to attack in, a swarm of frigs. Fast, powerful, fun. It's all very well and good until one comes after you. I was just wondering if anyone has any good eyed deers about a tactic against these annoying clouds. They run too fast to really be able to attack. They orbit outside of smartbomb range. And aside from the obvious answers of "get your own frig fleet" or "get a bs fleet", there has to be some kind of tactic for use here! Where are the hellstorm modules when you need em I say :/ ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.05.11 11:57:00 - [2] Warp bubble & Snipers each bs should be able to pop a frig in 1st salvo keep jumping from spot to spot not a lot they can do. hmmm if they have a cov-op's though you could be massacred Typherin LaiDai Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
idimmu69	Posted - 2005.05.11 12:00:00 - [3] You gotta love the frig fleets. It's more of a rush than fighting in battleships. You either get on a few killmails, or die very fast. It's all luck (and hopefully skill). There's a great feeling when a group of 3 or 4 friggies take down an apoc Oh yeah, in response to your question of how to counter them in your battleship... you could fit 2 small guns on your battleship. Yes... you would be sacrificing damage output against bigger ships, but you would scare off some of the frigs. Another tactic would be... DRONES. Most frig pilots (even the crazy suicidal ones) have issues when they see a swarm of drones chasing them. Heavy drones aren't recommended for this, as interceptors are too quick for heavies. Medium at most, or a crap-load of smalls. Hope that helps. idi
Jungle Jim	Posted - 2005.05.11 12:04:00 - [4] Cruisers... Use cruisers... they are cheap, easy to setup antifrig, and you can destroy frig fleets. Use smaller guns on the cruisers allowing you to put a massive tank on them. The only problem is bs's can hit cruisers unless they are right inside there optimal. But hey, there is no 1 ship pwnz all setup... thats the whole idea of the game * Proud First Time Winner of the MLM Muppet Award *
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.11 12:30:00 - [5] Supertanked dominix with target painters, webifiers and heavy nosferatus. Add a drone or hundred and you'll be fine. ¼©¼ a history
Mind	Posted - 2005.05.11 12:39:00 - [6] haha, reminds me. I was in K3, my "home" and decided to go out mine some veldspar (yeah... well i needed 1m trit) and tank up fitt out and go to belt. start mining, npc spawn.. hell ya! Attack em, with my ogres.. while i tank. in comes friggs.. 5-6 of em. start attacking me, and i like "wtf" scrambled and stuck So i shout in alliance "eeeelp" and help comes, 20 minutes later.. during that time i tank 1 conquistador BS, 4 cruisers npc and 1-2 npc friggs. Aswell as the attacking 5-6 enemy frigates (interceptors and assault friggs).. I manage to scare some of em off, only having drones and 1 webb and my 6 mining lasers. they where impressed that i could hold 20 minutes vs BS spawn aswell ass their friggs. they asked me if they could get the killmail and also told me they just ganked a Armageddon. Like, we take out a geddon in 2 minutes and there we come and need to fight 20 min to take down a lousy DOMINIX aswell i have a nice record of killing frigates in dominixes.. always take down 3-4 at a time, useing like 4 nosf, drones, webb and 2 scramblers. you sure kick ass in domis VS friggs, try it some time, domi is the solution to all your frigate killing needs.
Shirei	Posted - 2005.05.11 12:45:00 - [7] Edited by: Shirei on 11/05/2005 12:45:50 Against your standard frig blob consisting of two thirds interceptors and one third ass frigs. A fleet of mainly cruisers and assault frigs should work fairly well, if you are organised and can stay together. If not, your ships will get picked off one by one. BS don't work particularly well because they can't chase effectively (so it's easier for individual BS to get separated from the rest and die) and it's not like the frig fleet is going to attack the BSes camping at the gate. In smaller numbers, BS don't stand a chance against your usual ~15-20 people frig blob because they'll be dampened to hell. If you only have a few ships, you could try baiting with a combo of a few heavily tanked ships to draw fire and a few snipers ready to warp in at ~100k from the bait ships.
Bazman	Posted - 2005.05.11 12:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Bazman on 11/05/2005 14:25:12 Man, we had fun breaking up one of Foundations frig fleets in HLW a couple of days ago, it went straight through our system into catch to kill stuff, in the mean time, we totally covered a couple of gates with Mobile WD's, of the 15-16 frigates that came back through HLW, we killed 5 of them, all assault frigs, the Interceptors and most of the basic frigs with MWD's managed to get away, but all the assaults that entered the system were pretty much doomed. MWD's > Frig Fleets You could also try what i will refer to as "Doing a Dober." Zealot > 10 Frigates
Rodge	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:05:00 - [9] I'm mainly a ceptor pilot and I can tell you there are tonnes of defenses against a frig fleet. It's just most BS pilots don't want to use them. Heavy nos/heavy neutralizer = dead frig Webber All small guns (yep, people fit like this to get me ) Lots of light drones (heavy can't hit a frig unless he's webbed and medium aren't very good either). There's plenty of other ways... Personally, I think ceptors/AFs attacking (and killing) BSs is the one of the most fun things you can do in the game. Friggie fleets 4TW!!!! [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Corin Walker	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:16:00 - [10] I have never used it but I have thought about it, using a catalyst with 8 small rails or blasters, couple of webbys and a tracking comp lows dmg mods, and by by frigs You should be able to scare off a frig fleet when ya pop one or 2 of them with this set up use 1 webby on each frig total of 2 frigs and 4 guns per frig should be able to down a couple quick havent tried it yet but in therory it sounds good.
Stealthbite	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodge Personally, I think ceptors/AFs attacking (and killing) BSs is the one of the most fun things you can do in the game. Friggie fleets 4TW!!!! Well in that case we must nerf Frig fleets back to the stone age ~Stealth Yarr!
Nafri	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:27:00 - [12] cyclone > frigs Wanna fly with me?
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:29:00 - [13] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 11/05/2005 13:35:10 Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 11/05/2005 13:33:29 Destoyers would kick frig fleet ass. To bad noone wants to use them :/ Escpially when you can get the same thing with a BS and a better tank. Even a Brutix is better for killing frigs. Load up on some rails, warp in at 60 with sensor boosters and tracking computers and WTFpwn them.
Omatje	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:47:00 - [14] When you are flying a BS, nos/neut and drones are your friends against frigates. Why dont we all f1f2f3 eachother?
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.05.11 13:48:00 - [15] Originally by: hired goon there has to be some kind of tactic for use here! Not necessarily in order: Eagle Vagabond Diemos Ishtar Any/all of the above w/ a faction webber and all your frig problems seem to vanish... If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Muad 'dib	Posted - 2005.05.11 14:02:00 - [16] Originally by: hired goon There has to be some kind of tactic for use here! A raven + heavy nos -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /\|\. '/\' The Wild West Made Me Quicker On The DRAW Than You
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.05.11 14:06:00 - [17] Snipers work, smartbombs work, an indy serving as bait works, there's a lot of things that work. Pick one. If you know there's a frigate fleet inbound, set up an apocalypse or armageddon with a couple of large smartbombs and a tank (2 large repairers and hardeners or something). Get to their location or wait at a gate, wait until they all jump on top of you - I mean, that's not a question of "if", but a question of "when". Anyway, try to tank them for a bit until they are confident enough to come close, hit F1 to F4, carnage ensues, pick up loot, go away, feel good. :)
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.05.11 14:45:00 - [18] Raven: 3 true sansha smartbombs, 4 siege launchers, 1 heavy neut. some sort of tank some sort of fitting stuff (pdus) ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Crusher166	Posted - 2005.05.11 15:00:00 - [19] cruiser ghost fleets oh wait, they got nerfed a long time ago. they are fun... or i really shoud say they were fun sorry about the negative tone, i just had to say it. nothing else will ever be as fun. Crusher - Sybrite Inc.
Kumq uat	Posted - 2005.05.11 15:11:00 - [20] Me little pirate alt and his group use frigs and cruisers almost exclusively. Fun stuff, and ****es the BS people off heh Tired of mining the same looking rock for thousands of hours you care bear you? www.freeallegiance.org
Aegis Osiris	Posted - 2005.05.11 16:29:00 - [21] Cruisers and BC's set up properly can do well, even alone. Someone else mentioned the same thing; mount frig guns and a big tank. (note to self, webber, NOT disruptor ya dolt! )
Unbeleever	Posted - 2005.05.11 17:08:00 - [22] Edited by: Unbeleever on 11/05/2005 17:08:48 A destroyer(catalyst), t2 frig guns, dual webbers(named if poss), Tank no frig problem... P.S tracking comp t2, and dmg mods For me... Group therapy is a 30 pack of BEER!! Then all of the voices are satisfied.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.05.11 17:14:00 - [23] Wish my Catalyst came with that many mid slots. Also, you don't have a tracking problem on a destoyer because of the bonuses.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.11 17:14:00 - [24] anyone suggesting a destroyer to kill an assault frig, let alone a frig FLEET, needs to have their head examined.
Siobhan Ni	Posted - 2005.05.11 17:15:00 - [25] You could setup sniper apocs so that each apoc is at optimal range from the others. So if the frigs try to gank one apoc, the others can blast the hell out of them
Unbeleever	Posted - 2005.05.11 17:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci Wish my Catalyst came with that many mid slots. Also, you don't have a tracking problem on a destoyer because of the bonuses. Yeah my brain is fried right now I am at work hehe For me... Group therapy is a 30 pack of BEER!! Then all of the voices are satisfied.
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.05.11 17:24:00 - [27] I like the domi idea the best. although anything that has a webber will have a chance to take down the friggies with enough tank to back it up....
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.05.12 02:49:00 - [28] Frig squads aren't the flavour of the month, they've been uber since forever. Kestrels with cruise anyone?
Danks	Posted - 2005.05.12 04:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Dianabolic Frig squads aren't the flavour of the month, they've been uber since forever. Kestrels with cruise anyone? Yeah we been flying these forever, not just this month...
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.05.12 04:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Danks Originally by: Dianabolic Frig squads aren't the flavour of the month, they've been uber since forever. Kestrels with cruise anyone? Yeah we been flying these forever, not just this month... har har, the point was that frigate squads have always been effective, in one way or another, not just "this month".
slip66	Posted - 2005.05.12 04:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Crusher166 cruiser ghost fleets oh wait, they got nerfed a long time ago. they are fun... or i really shoud say they were fun sorry about the negative tone, i just had to say it. nothing else will ever be as fun. sigh the good old days. like rodge and the burn eden guy said... Raven with cruise and 2 L NOS. Is a frig fleets worst nightmare. popping out a 7-8 med/light drones helps too.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.05.12 06:25:00 - [32] Frig fleet runs into BS fleet = frig fleet runs. Bait and or multiple smaller targets usually works well.
siim	Posted - 2005.05.12 07:39:00 - [33] frigs are more fun than bs's imo
hired goon	Posted - 2005.05.12 08:23:00 - [34] I'm not sure how many of these ideas would actually work in practice... I mean sure, the theory of a destroyer vs frigs is good but against a whole fleet? And, I am already aware of BS setups for killing lone frigs thanks. But when surrounded by 20, the best you can hope amidst the lag is to take out maybe 2 or 3 (normal frigs, as AFs wont pop before you do, and intys will run soon as you lock). I liked Siobhan's idea about the optimal apocs though. And the guy who suggested smartbombs... how likely is it they'll be within that range? So far sniping then running seems best to me. Black Nova people in this thread seem to know what they're talking about ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Weeman	Posted - 2005.05.12 12:04:00 - [35] HACS Basically all of them are good at it fitted correctly, but a web is pretty much essential for all of them. I can only fly the minmatar ones, muninn can pop them nicely and a vagabond with a web, mwd and 425 II autocannons will tear them to shreds. The gallente HAC with the drones (Ishtar?), lots of M/L donres etc. Cerberus would obviously work, and the amarr ones used to be uber at it before the pulse re-alignment. Basically, HAC 4TW :) Nerf Resistance/Rank 5/SP: 1240731 of 1280000
Bellicose	Posted - 2005.05.12 13:55:00 - [36] Targeting painters .. end of story Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon? KittenArmy capn' crimson
Fabiusbile	Posted - 2005.05.12 14:59:00 - [37] Heavy nos (100 cap per cycle) or heavy energy neutralizer (kills 500 cap) ------------------------------------------------ fabiusbile Director of R&D and Mining opp's i want to buy T2 indy bpc's
RedWyvern	Posted - 2005.05.12 20:44:00 - [38] Using a Raven equipped for anti - frig is probably the most effective straightfoward idea...but it's a bit of a waste for a battleship which could be put to other use, as well as the fact that when it comes to chasing the frigs, battleships won't keep up, - and you can bet any frig user with any sort of experience won't engage a bs fleet head on. I've got two suggesstions. Destroyers can work, with enough numbers...maybe about 1/3 of any hypothetical frig fleet you run up against...unless they run into more than a few 'salty frigs, in which case, good luck =D. the other? 3, maybe four Vexors. 15 light drones, and a mix of nos's and light rails in the highslots (though understandably, nobody will want to get that close ) EW is a problem here, tbh - ECM bursts (no, really) or sensor boosters might work. Everyone's been in a frig at some stage, and I bet every experienced frig pilot out there would think twice about running into a cloud of drones. Even if it doesn't work, 45 light drones might make the node you're fighting on crash and burn - win by default! Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2005.05.12 21:29:00 - [39] well until the missile changes raven, tempest, typhoon, drainerapoc travel on ure own make sur eu got a tank and nos and cruise and ull tear them apart ive taken down 12 frigs before my shields are half down in my tempest (armor tanked) u jsut gotta make sure u dont land on top of them get to around 60 km on ure warp in then get as many missiles off on the approaches theyl be taken down before they can think about moving just make sure u carry a disruptor alot of ppl say its a waste of time but interceptors often have enough time to warp if thei rnos/webed before the missiles hit.
Fedaykin Naib	Posted - 2005.05.12 21:40:00 - [40] My tempest "Long Live the Fighters!" "The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
alphawolf2929	Posted - 2005.05.13 02:28:00 - [41] I find a cyclone with MWD, a webber, maybe a cap sucker, and loads of autocannons rapes them pretty fast, not for use vs interceptors though, (throw on a tracking comp fo sho, and a targ damp would be great, so they would ahve to come within your autos range if they want to target you)
hired goon	Posted - 2005.05.13 08:50:00 - [42] I wonder what the point of ECM burst is, if they are going to come that close may as well use smartbombs. Too bad we can't use the kind of missiles found on Nexus: The Jupiter Incident :) ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Dracorimus	Posted - 2005.05.13 09:12:00 - [43] Well in the wars my corp has right now, we do nothing but frig fleets, I mean we killed a raven yesterday with 3 AF and 3 inties, took a minute or to, but much more fun, and also better than sitting in a BS and possibly losing 160 mill worth of ship.... Also frig fights are brilliant - Harpy FTW ! - -
kessah	Posted - 2005.05.13 09:38:00 - [44] i suggest u fit target painter II's ul never have any problems from any frig that uses a mwd. then for the af's get ur heavy drones out. But chances are in a lone battleship with close to 6 frigs sized ships u guna havta have quick reactions. Target painters are excellent battleship mods for anti frigate. Even helps with Battleships making ur low tracking guns hit all the more sweeter. -------------------------------------------------------- Im Your Huckleberry ;-)
F'nog	Posted - 2005.05.13 10:14:00 - [45] Isn't this why CCP created destroyers?
shakaZ XIV	Posted - 2005.05.13 11:35:00 - [46] Originally by: F'nog Isn't this why CCP created destroyers? assault frigates > destroyers, and by a lot aswell .
hired goon	Posted - 2005.05.13 11:37:00 - [47] Originally by: F'nog Isn't this why CCP created destroyers? Yeah. They also created Logistics ships for support. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.05.14 01:21:00 - [48] Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 14/05/2005 01:22:25 Like everyone else said, cruisers and battlecruisers. A well-setup Thorax can light up any frigate, whether it's standard, interceptor, or assault. Same for an Arbitrator, which has the added bonus of a launcher point. A target-jamming, target painting, sniping Ferox or Moa can add to the terror if there's close-range fighters tying them up as well. No frigate fleet in their right minds would engage cruisers without overwhelming numbers, though, so bring along something that can catch 'em, otherwise they'll flee and will just come back when you give up the chase. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Miner's Bane	Posted - 2005.05.14 01:27:00 - [49] I'll take basically any cruiser on 1v1 in an interceptor. At worst, you force me to disengage, youre not going to get a kill unless I crash. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.05.14 01:31:00 - [50] Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 14/05/2005 01:36:26 Originally by: Miner's Bane I'll take basically any cruiser on 1v1 in an interceptor. At worst, you force me to disengage, youre not going to get a kill unless I crash. Sure, but this is on the topic of group combat. Thing with multiple hostiles is that it's not as easy to keep an eye on everyone's range, if you're engaged from a couple seperate directions it's not so easy to avoid being webbed. I've used flanking tactics to great effect with myself and a friend in nanofibered close-range Stabbers on interceptor teams. But 1v1, yes, the interceptor will always have the option to warp away and safespot unless ambushed by a specially set up ship or instalock sniper. And even then it's still got more than a 50-50 chance. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Shima Tanaka	Posted - 2005.05.14 07:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Shima Tanaka on 14/05/2005 07:55:41 It's usually not the ship what is valuable but the pilot. Hence if you have 4 pilots it is better to be in the uber BS than 4 fodder frigs. I don't see why people are so worried about frig fleets, especially as any sort of flavor of the month. BS are way overpowered compared to frigs even without their anti-frigate gear. Large turrets and seige launchers are effective enough as a deterent given their high dmg/high hit ratio at greater ranges. Since speed and maneuverability don't count for squat, all that matters is having a greater field of fire. And if turrets get a sig nerf, there is still nosferatus and drones to wipe them out en masse. I wish we had more expensive frigates to fly so people would demand CCP balance them. What's the point of a 50M mod on a frigate if there is nothing a frigate can do in mixed combat? The price of a ship + mods should only have an effect on combat of vessels within the same hull class. i.e. 20M frig beats 10M frig with non-specialized setup. Or 200M BS beats 100M BS etc. Nobody says a single frig should have a hard time beating passive recharge on a battleship really. But one or two should have no trouble keeping a lone ship locked down or approaching it for the most part if it is outfitted to destroy other battleships rather than frigs. Multiple frigates working together could eventually break the tank on heavy tanked ship if say certain modules like cap drainers got a boost from the large sig radius of battleships. But you'd still need a number of pilots. 4 interceptors breaking the tank on a battleship is generally too few I'll agree, unless frigates are generally work more. There should be 100M isk frigs and 100M cruisers and 100M isk BS that can all effectively prey on one another in the traditional chain. The current environment is boringly repetitive right now. Plus combat is less fun when speed, maneuverability and battlefield positioning just don't matter. Maybe there should be limits or delays to locking based on sig radius. Right now, due to excessive dps rates, once a lock is achieved its generally game over for one side or the other.
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DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.16 00:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Miner's Bane I'll take basically any cruiser on 1v1 in an interceptor. At worst, you force me to disengage, youre not going to get a kill unless I crash. caracel with double web and a scrambler ;)
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.05.16 00:37:00 - [54] Heavy Neuts ftw vs frigs _________________
Miner's Bane	Posted - 2005.05.16 01:00:00 - [55] Edited by: Miner''s Bane on 16/05/2005 01:02:10 Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Miner's Bane I'll take basically any cruiser on 1v1 in an interceptor. At worst, you force me to disengage, youre not going to get a kill unless I crash. caracel with double web and a scrambler ;) Dies without landing a hit to a crusader. Isnt even a close, nor a fair fight. Ditto with a crow, ares, raptor, basically anything that can run a 20k scrambler and a MWD together. ------------------------------------------------------------------
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.16 05:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Miner's Bane Edited by: Miner''s Bane on 16/05/2005 01:02:10 Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Miner's Bane I'll take basically any cruiser on 1v1 in an interceptor. At worst, you force me to disengage, youre not going to get a kill unless I crash. caracel with double web and a scrambler ;) Dies without landing a hit to a crusader. Isnt even a close, nor a fair fight. Ditto with a crow, ares, raptor, basically anything that can run a 20k scrambler and a MWD together. If you dont get in web range the cara simply runs to the gate. No kill=no win :S. And to any of the long range intys, gl vs a gank rupture with target painters. Oh wait, a close range inty would kill that! Well back to the cara...etc etc etc
H Zub	Posted - 2005.05.16 06:46:00 - [57] Why is so many of you writing in a way like you know it all? Any experienced frig pilot can see that most of you dont really have a clue. No offence but most of the responces here is just plain wrong. I guess forum spamming takes too much of your gaming time. huh Captain Morgan Society Me parrot Movie
hired goon	Posted - 2005.05.16 09:36:00 - [58] Wow H Zub, what a constructive addition to this thread. You really prove what a pvp expert you are. And as for that silly guy with cruiser-killing-inty, must I remind you of bb with 2 multi ECM, 2 webs, 20km scrambler, target painter. Also there is probably a thorax setup that could win. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
H Zub	Posted - 2005.05.16 10:38:00 - [59] Originally by: hired goon Wow H Zub, what a constructive addition to this thread. You really prove what a pvp expert you are. Well, lets just say its getting frustrating reading the forums. As for proving my pvp skills, I have no intention of proving anything. However I do fly interceptor 90% of the time, but I prefeer using local hull conversion cargo expanders in my low slots while transporting exotic dancers all day long. Hence I dont know **** when it comes to pvp. Captain Morgan Society Me parrot Movie
Captin Biltmore	Posted - 2005.05.16 17:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Bazman Edited by: Bazman on 11/05/2005 14:25:12 Man, we had fun breaking up one of Foundations frig fleets in HLW a couple of days ago, it went straight through our system into catch to kill stuff, in the mean time, we totally covered a couple of gates with Mobile WD's, of the 15-16 frigates that came back through HLW, we killed 5 of them, all assault frigs, the Interceptors and most of the basic frigs with MWD's managed to get away, but all the assaults that entered the system were pretty much doomed. MWD's > Frig Fleets You could also try what i will refer to as "Doing a Dober." Zealot > 10 Frigates Yup, assult frigs aren't good wolfpackers when the enemy mounts a force....they are target #1. I believe u guys got my vengance on that trip.
DJ LOUD	Posted - 2005.05.16 18:20:00 - [61] Edited by: DJ LOUD on 16/05/2005 18:21:26 I seem to remember a pack of 4 assault frigs making a monkey of a force you were a part of in Foundation last Friday night Capt. Biltmore, although in the end you guys (whoever was ploting the SB Domi) got one of us. But I'll trade a battlecruiser, an inty, and a couple frigs for an assault frigate any day - especially when there are so many T2 modules left behind to ease our losses.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.05.16 20:02:00 - [62] Edited by: Nafri on 16/05/2005 20:02:15 Battlecruisers > frigates Wanna fly with me?
hired goon	Posted - 2005.05.17 08:35:00 - [63] Edited by: hired goon on 17/05/2005 08:35:30 Originally by: Nafri Battlecruisers > frigates Lies. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Sadist	Posted - 2005.05.17 12:09:00 - [64] Originally by: hired goon Edited by: hired goon on 17/05/2005 08:35:30 Originally by: Nafri Battlecruisers > frigates Lies. Very true for tech 1 frigs. _______________________________________________
Gruntfuttock	Posted - 2005.05.17 12:35:00 - [65] Raven with FOF cruise. Spam those and you'll get at least 1 and as soon as the frigs start popping they'll run. Don't even really need to refit for anything else afterwards. Doms are scarey too.
Hella May	Posted - 2005.05.17 12:40:00 - [66] Destroyers any one? Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.05.17 14:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Sadist Originally by: hired goon Edited by: hired goon on 17/05/2005 08:35:30 Originally by: Nafri Battlecruisers > frigates Lies. Very true for tech 1 frigs. same for ceptors and Assault frigs, tbh aussault frigs are easy to kill, just load right ammuntion in your guns and laugh at them after you insta popped their 20 million beauty. crows can get beafy, same for stilletos, but medium drones, target painter made every crow pop from my BCs till this date. Wanna fly with me?
Sadist	Posted - 2005.05.17 18:43:00 - [68] Destroyer swarms? Hmmm... Fleet setups for cormorant and catalyst anyone? _______________________________________________
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.05.17 20:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Sadist Destroyer swarms? Hmmm... Fleet setups for cormorant and catalyst anyone? Sure, more firepower, but it doesn't have the speed the frigates give that is oh so sweet.
Misha Mosqito	Posted - 2005.05.23 13:10:00 - [70] Well, an interceptor tried to burn down my rax for a while ago. Sadly he was to fast for my cruiser, so i docked and jumped into my little Incursus. Incursus vs Claw: 1-0 (webbing + ion blasters = a lot of fun) Take those suckers down with their own medicine -Every poet is a thief-
meowcat	Posted - 2005.05.23 13:34:00 - [71] Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 16/05/2005 20:02:15 Battlecruisers > frigates i assume you are excluding the Brutix from this equation? ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.05.23 15:43:00 - [72] Originally by: Gruntfuttock Raven with FOF cruise. Spam those and you'll get at least 1 and as soon as the frigs start popping they'll run. Don't even really need to refit for anything else afterwards. Doms are scarey too. yes listen to this man. If you ever come up against a ceptor pack that i am in please use fof cruise, preferably on a raven too, with named siege, so that when we kill without losing a ship we will make lots of money Seriously dude, FOF cruise v frig fleet is suicide if the frig fleet has half a brain. There is a way to make FOF cruise totally useless but im not gonna say what it is cos its too damn uber to share Forums: Sharks - MC
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.05.23 18:39:00 - [73] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 23/05/2005 19:49:14 Originally by: Eyeshadow Seriously dude, FOF cruise v frig fleet is suicide if the frig fleet has half a brain. There is a way to make FOF cruise totally useless but im not gonna say what it is cos its too damn uber to share It probably has nothing at all to do with light drones...
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.05.23 18:40:00 - [74] Right now a group of well tanked ravens would be the biggest concern of any frigate pack until the missiles get balanced. Any tech 1 frigates and AF's in the pack bar maybe the rifter and vigil are as good as dead if they don't warp out straight away and even most inties have a hard time up close to a raven with cruise missiles since the intercept instead of chase. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Skuld OdinsDottir	Posted - 2005.05.24 06:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Sadist Originally by: hired goon Edited by: hired goon on 17/05/2005 08:35:30 Originally by: Nafri Battlecruisers > frigates Lies. Very true for tech 1 frigs. same for ceptors and Assault frigs, tbh aussault frigs are easy to kill, just load right ammuntion in your guns and laugh at them after you insta popped their 20 million beauty. crows can get beafy, same for stilletos, but medium drones, target painter made every crow pop from my BCs till this date. Depends what Gun you use against AF. Hybrids against Gallente AF isnt very efficient. Liquid dreams filled her mind as she found herself sinking into an eternal ocean of blood. An ocean she had created over the severed flesh of her assigned targets.
siim	Posted - 2005.05.24 06:40:00 - [76] Originally by: Gruntfuttock Raven with FOF cruise. Spam those and you'll get at least 1 and as soon as the frigs start popping they'll run. Don't even really need to refit for anything else afterwards. Doms are scarey too. Warriors anyone???
MrTurboDK	Posted - 2005.05.24 07:53:00 - [77] Originally by: H Zub Originally by: hired goon Wow H Zub, what a constructive addition to this thread. You really prove what a pvp expert you are. Well, lets just say its getting frustrating reading the forums. As for proving my pvp skills, I have no intention of proving anything. However I do fly interceptor 90% of the time, but I prefeer using local hull conversion cargo expanders in my low slots while transporting exotic dancers all day long. Hence I dont know ** when it comes to pvp. well, that seems to be why your corp ran for dear life after just 1 week of war --> "Hence I dont know ** when it comes to pvp." i would say, you just nerfed your self badly. well, later, gotta go kill someone .. muahahahaa (\_/) -------<-- (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny .. Bunny got scalped .. ROFLOL
gaz2612771	Posted - 2005.06.12 11:22:00 - [78] Ostara Corp WCS + Logging = pvp tactics Nice!!! 'Live life as though it is your last..........cause it might be!!!'
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.06.12 11:50:00 - [79] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 12/06/2005 12:46:42 Hired dont listen to ppl telling u HAC/BC/BS counter frig fleets, cuz yes, they do kill the frigades, but contrary to what some suggested the rest of the frig pack WILL NOT run away for the simple reason they dont care losing their frig, they r just thirsty for the killmail!! Also, NOS wont help - u will NOS 1-2 frigs the rest will keep scrambling and jamming the s**t out of you... So basically u end up killing say 3-4 frigs out of the 8-10 total and then lose ur raven. Sweet bargain: 4 frigs ~ 500k; 1 raven ~ 60 mil ... To be honest what was scariest when running in a frig fleet wer assault frigs. 4-5 assualt frigs will totally slay a frig fleet and pretty fast. Go watch the IRON movie about the frig battle for some easy evidence of this fact. - Gob
Hast	Posted - 2005.06.12 18:48:00 - [80] I miss the CA VS SA war, cos if someone came with a frig fleet you usually could expect a frig fleet in return frig fleet < frig fleet + skill = win
Dark Avatar	Posted - 2005.06.12 21:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Gruntfuttock Raven with FOF cruise. Spam those and you'll get at least 1 and as soon as the frigs start popping they'll run. Don't even really need to refit for anything else afterwards. Doms are scarey too. yes listen to this man. If you ever come up against a ceptor pack that i am in please use fof cruise, preferably on a raven too, with named siege, so that when we kill without losing a ship we will make lots of money Seriously dude, FOF cruise v frig fleet is suicide if the frig fleet has half a brain. There is a way to make FOF cruise totally useless but im not gonna say what it is cos its too damn uber to share I would love to test your theory, Wolves (4-5 frigs) are highly adept at fighting FoFing ravens with Zero casualties. Go figure! Drones usually arent a problem, its quite simple. The Frig that has the drones on him simply flies around and takes the drones on a merry little dance. Thankfully drones don't have unlimited range anymore Dark Avatar
Nomen Nescio	Posted - 2005.06.12 21:11:00 - [82] You guys do know that missile changes r comming, right? I mean ravens with FOF cruises will do... let me check... aha - "pathetic" damage on frig size ships.
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.12 21:25:00 - [83] Gank setup AFs are just nasty versus frig or inty clouds. Who needs tanking? Now if only either had a place on a battlefield that isn't an Arena or other prearranged setup. Thread necroing ftw. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.06.13 09:41:00 - [84] Originally by: Dark Avatar Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Gruntfuttock Raven with FOF cruise. Spam those and you'll get at least 1 and as soon as the frigs start popping they'll run. Don't even really need to refit for anything else afterwards. Doms are scarey too. yes listen to this man. If you ever come up against a ceptor pack that i am in please use fof cruise, preferably on a raven too, with named siege, so that when we kill without losing a ship we will make lots of money Seriously dude, FOF cruise v frig fleet is suicide if the frig fleet has half a brain. There is a way to make FOF cruise totally useless but im not gonna say what it is cos its too damn uber to share I would love to test your theory, Wolves (4-5 frigs) are highly adept at fighting FoFing ravens with Zero casualties. Go figure! Drones usually arent a problem, its quite simple. The Frig that has the drones on him simply flies around and takes the drones on a merry little dance. Thankfully drones don't have unlimited range anymore Dark Avatar erm i dont understand what ur trying to say? In frig packs, if u meet a raven the first duty b4 any1 initiates aggression is to shove all the light drones on him that you have. Thats FOFs taken care of Forums: Sharks - MC
TheMoog	Posted - 2005.06.13 15:37:00 - [85] I'd really like to come across a frig fleet in my Domi, it would be like pop corn popping all around me _________________ CEO, 3240 Inc. We Solve Problems
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.14 11:18:00 - [86] Edited by: Balazs Simon on 14/06/2005 11:18:07 hmmm massive frig fleets.... :) We are the Profs. stopping such fleets :) Anyway, we used to fly such gangs, and yes they are effective.
spoon2	Posted - 2005.06.14 18:50:00 - [87] Vamp Domis 2 or more = frig fleet wont come near you.
Shirei	Posted - 2005.06.14 20:14:00 - [88] Originally by: spoon2 Vamp Domis 2 or more = frig fleet wont come near you. How is the vamp domi gonna lock anything, if it is damped to hell (as it will be against a competent frig fleet)?
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:15:00 - [89] Some ppl here just seem to not get that frig fleet = multiple frigs... No, u aint gonna stop that in a dominix... - Gob
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Hast I miss the CA VS SA war, cos if someone came with a frig fleet you usually could expect a frig fleet in return frig fleet < frig fleet + skill = win CA 4tw... B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
TheMoog	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:06:00 - [91] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: spoon2 Vamp Domis 2 or more = frig fleet wont come near you. How is the vamp domi gonna lock anything, if it is damped to hell (as it will be against a competent frig fleet)? Easy, that's what the drones are for, they automaticly attack any target currently shooting at you, without the need to have locked the said target. That said, not only I would destroy those frigates to bits, but I wouldn't even need to lock them ! _________________ CEO, 3240 Inc. We Solve Problems
spoon2	Posted - 2005.06.15 19:50:00 - [92] Edited by: spoon2 on 15/06/2005 19:56:08 Edited by: spoon2 on 15/06/2005 19:51:50 Edited by: spoon2 on 15/06/2005 19:51:42 I said 2 or more Domis and targeting aint a problem. You not heard of multiple Sensor boosters, as the above post states drones attack anything that attacks you. There may be 2 dampeners fitted with 8 frigs and thats debatable. My Domi drains 3 frigs cap per cycle so 2 will easily kill 6 frigs, work the setup out for yourself.
Crellion	Posted - 2005.06.15 23:15:00 - [93] Originally by: spoon2 Edited by: spoon2 on 15/06/2005 19:56:08 Edited by: spoon2 on 15/06/2005 19:51:50 Edited by: spoon2 on 15/06/2005 19:51:42 I said 2 or more Domis and targeting aint a problem. You not heard of multiple Sensor boosters, as the above post states drones attack anything that attacks you. There may be 2 dampeners fitted with 8 frigs and thats debatable. My Domi drains 3 frigs cap per cycle so 2 will easily kill 6 frigs, work the setup out for yourself. How about 6 Harpies?
Shirei	Posted - 2005.06.16 00:20:00 - [94] Originally by: spoon2 I said 2 or more Domis and targeting aint a problem. You not heard of multiple Sensor boosters, as the above post states drones attack anything that attacks you. There may be 2 dampeners fitted with 8 frigs and thats debatable. My Domi drains 3 frigs cap per cycle so 2 will easily kill 6 frigs, work the setup out for yourself. Many competent frig fleets (if setup for BS ganking rather than anti-frig duty) will have 1-2 stilettos/griffins set-up for dampening with 3 dampers each to neutralise single BS targets. You need a lot of sensor boosters to counteract 3 dampers on you, especially if the frigs can just skip out of your lock range (which will barely exceed 20-30k even with several sensor boosters) for a second to get rid of the lock, at which point it will take you ages to re-lock. Drones work against frigates of course, but they have the same weakness as FoF cruise. They auto-target anything, including scout drones. And a fast ceptor can probably just draw off several drones at once.
hafhal	Posted - 2005.06.16 01:03:00 - [95] Originally by: TheMoog Originally by: Shirei Originally by: spoon2 Vamp Domis 2 or more = frig fleet wont come near you. How is the vamp domi gonna lock anything, if it is damped to hell (as it will be against a competent frig fleet)? Easy, that's what the drones are for, they automaticly attack any target currently shooting at you, without the need to have locked the said target. That said, not only I would destroy those frigates to bits, but I wouldn't even need to lock them ! drones work like fof¦s , only inside you¦re locking range . So if you have multiple dampers on you , you¦re drones won¦t do jack.
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.06.16 01:28:00 - [96] Originally by: hafhal drones work like fof¦s , only inside you¦re locking range . So if you have multiple dampers on you , you¦re drones won¦t do jack. Everything above this line is an outright lie.
hafhal	Posted - 2005.06.16 02:44:00 - [97] Edited by: hafhal on 16/06/2005 02:46:13 Originally by: Blind Fear Originally by: hafhal drones work like fof¦s , only inside you¦re locking range . So if you have multiple dampers on you , you¦re drones won¦t do jack. Everything above this line is an outright lie. after reading you¦re post , i tested it again on a corpmate, me on a celestis with 4 phased muon , he on an apoc, shot at him without dampners , got agro from drones. activated all dampners , his locking range down to 4km and drones stoped attacking, same as has always happened(to me atleast) same with fof¦s. So either i¦m very lucky or you sir , are very wrong.
Plim	Posted - 2005.06.16 02:58:00 - [98] Originally by: TheMoog I'd really like to come across a frig fleet in my Domi, it would be like pop corn popping all around me lol Yeah domi's = dead support, your mail box dosent stop flashing. -----------------
Cadman Weyland	Posted - 2005.06.16 13:49:00 - [99] Originally by: Sadist Destroyer swarms? Hmmm... Fleet setups for cormorant and catalyst anyone? We use em. Multiple Cormorants all set up differently. I was in a Destroyer pack last week, took down a Raven and a Munnin for no loss b4 we ran away from a rather large fleet that decided to take a disliking to us. Just wish i couild use my Coercer, but one med slot sux Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.06.17 10:59:00 - [100] Tbh I dont see why bother with dampeners when all u need is jammers... different frigs with different racial jammers then once ur jammed u can do sh*t really, and about drones - a frig can easily drag them around outside the battlefield so its not really an answer... - Gob
H Zub	Posted - 2005.06.17 11:19:00 - [101] The thing is drones dont do crap to a mwd ceptor. I'm surprised so few knows about this. Captain Morgan Society Me parrot Movie
Taaser	Posted - 2005.06.20 22:06:00 - [102] Ishtar > Frig(s)
Darkside101	Posted - 2005.06.21 09:15:00 - [103] OMG............. I cant believe i got to page 6 and havnt seen many posts about harpys or eagles, both fitted with t2 150 rails or dual rails, tracking mods and damage mods and sensor boosters and there realy is only one winner...... and its not the frig fleet I also think that with the new patch for missiles a raven with 6 arb assauls lanchers, firing firefly or flame burst will be able to cope with a 10 strong frig fleet, just give me a few days to test my claim b4 you come looking for me As for drones, i havnt put anything but light drones in my bs's from the start, 9 warrior drones will catch and kill a frig, but IMHO i dont think it would help you face more than a couple of frigs at a time, there just not powerful enough. I see a webber mentioned alot in this list, why????? with 10k range, what kind of frig pilot gets 10k away from a bs when hes got 9 m8s with him and got a 20k disrupter? IF you have ever webbed a frig/inty pilot then HE wasnt very good IMO And finaly..... frig fleet setup 1 use 4 - 10 kes or tristan 2 fit MWD, 20k warp disrupter and remote sensor damper 3 remember to buy lots of spare ships and equipment yarr4TW DS101
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.06.22 02:19:00 - [104] AFs wer alredy suggested by a lot of ppl (including meh) (and its probably the only good answer) - Gob
Ranya	Posted - 2005.06.22 17:05:00 - [105] Apocalypse with 3-4 sensor booster II, 2 sieges with cruise missles and 6 t2 beams can be fun. Oh and massive tank. 4 hardner, 1 armor plate and 2 large repairers. Get yourself an intelligence implant.

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