I sure the heck make more with my "2 Hulks and an Orca" than I do Missioning Level 4's. Especially after the Mission LP and Reward nerf. Seriously more in mining with multiple accounts.

See, they'll argue points like this in this thread. I say brave, he says honest.

Of course, it isn't ever allowed to be both.

THEY have to be RIGHT.

i don't mind making more isk in easymode high sec than null sec. suits me fine.


what's to argue about? i know for a fact with the bare minimum skills for t2 crystals and a 2% implant i get lossless refining in whatever stations test have dotted about in fountain. i think they were 40%, certainly weren't 50%. ask a test member, they will tell you, or they won't.

That's why I mentioned the 'individual basis' part. Mining gets more profitable the more people you have doing it, and multi-accounters can make quite a haul off it. On the other hand, three ships running missions can bang those out pretty quick too...

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I sure the heck make more with my "2 Hulks and an Orca" than I do Missioning Level 4's. Especially after the Mission LP and Reward nerf. Seriously more in mining with multiple accounts.

In 0.0 miners are taxed. Either by paying rent or by station refinery tax (or both). And them 0.0 overlords wont lower that tax just because you did a few missions for them.

The thing is you're using 3 characters to do it, how much isk would you pull in if you were using 3 characters to multibox level 4s?

I'd be interested to see the comparison on a per character basis as I assuming you mean you make more with an orca and 2 hulks plugging away at rocks than a single character would make running level 4's and plugging away at NPCs, please correct me if my assumption is wrong.

what kind of terribad 0.0 alliances do this?

That's just they way they all are in null. Ask them why.

none that i've ever been in... 0% refining tax and no rental costs.

That's just they way they all are in null. Ask them why.

Someone's gotta build those stations, capital ships, supercaps, and replacement ships, and most people won't actually donate to the alliance as a whole unless you force them to, so the best way to do it is a tax.

you mean... not every one has a tech moon?

Null sec has a reputation, true or false, that precedes it. Such as an NSA job interview process. Expectations / requirements of their playtime and/or resources. I'm sure many players want nothing to do with that kind of nonsense.

Dave, seriously STOP. I know YOU know all this very well already.

well in null they use bot miners they don't need real miners if they fix the bot mining maybe it be worth mining in null then
easy to talk trash about high sec mining when you use bots to mine in null

My old Alliance leader in Bison used to 3-Toon level 4's just for fun. His money was really in the mining. Not sure what the difference was though.

OP sure has disapeared himsel,f for being so 'interested'.

Seems like rick-roll.

Nullsec is far safer than hi-sec, as we're so frequently and authoritatively told. Hi-sec miners are adrenaline junkies who can't be satisfied with any lesser thrill.

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

The thing is you're using 3 characters to do it, how much isk would you pull in if you were using 3 characters to multibox level 4s?

I'd be interested to see the comparison on a per character basis as I assuming you mean you make more with an orca and 2 hulks plugging away at rocks than a single character would make running level 4's and plugging away at NPCs, please correct me if my assumption is wrong.

edit looks like part of my question was answered while I posted, not editing it out though or I'll have a zero content post

I sure the heck make more with my "2 Hulks and an Orca" than I do Missioning Level 4's. Especially after the Mission LP and Reward nerf.

3 boxing a L4 mission pulls up to 120M per hour.
3 boxing 3 L4 missions can yield more but it's much much harder to do.
5 boxing hi sec mining pulls something like half of it.

can flipping doesn't exist. hi retriever and mackinaw ships, looking at you here buddy!
bumping only happens to afk ice miners, in like 1-2 select systems, which is also easily countered by orbiting the asteroids...
and if people want to gank you, they are going to gank you no matter what you are doing. also, if people bothered to fit a tank they'd encounter such behaviour much less often.

why don't we go to null sec? well firstly, the asteroids are worth a very small fraction more, and involve great transportation costs/effort in order to get our refined product to the trade hub that by the time we've done so; it's less profitable to mine in 0.0.
so let's see, we can sit undisturbed in high sec and mine low ends for decent isk, or we can go to 0.0 and mine ore worth about the same isk and then lose our profits on logistics.

high sec mining is fine, 3 people on the forums complaining about how the bad man made them cry over a game is no indication that mining in high sec is "bad" or "not possible" or anything else, it's just them needing a prescription of man the **** up.

tl;dr high sec mining is more lucrative and less hassle.