Oh you don't have to move anywhere for that.

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples

OK then.

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples
OK then.

Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.

Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.

So you got nothing?

Most of the alliances I have worked with have never been annoyed with industry corps or players for not joining a CTA or home defence, sure if they're free and can fly a ship they might have been asked or most often willingly volunteer to join up.

It's been interesting to see how this thread has had so many negative responses though, it seems that the player base is not ready to sit down and solve "Why mining and industry is worthless in NullSec" just yet.

The standard response is "nerf hisec"

the suggested nerfs typically include, but are not limited to suggestions similar to :-
"make velspar the only asteroid in hisec"
"move L4 missions to losec"
"move Level 2+ missions to losec and npc nulsec"
"remove most Industry slots in hisec"

the list carries on in a similar vein for maybe another 10-15 similar simplistic 'ideas'
and im sure you can tell it's a very negative list


constructive theorycrafting is a skill that is beyond most of the posters to these forums, they do not have either the raw intelligence or the creative intuition required to contribute in a constructive, logical manner.

the sad part is, when you give them a constructive solution, but one that would require effort and endeavour for nulsec to accomplish, they don't want it because it's not being "given to them with no effort"

Welp, I cannot speak from personal experience, but the logic seems sound.

"Welp, I have no idea what anyone actually does in null, but I've arbitrarily decided I know what they do with their minerals!"

generaldiscussion.txt right there

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

This was the only responce the thread needed.

... and some couldn't really figure out by themselves without asking, eh?

Not like CCP didn't make abundantly clear the other day.

"Welp, I have no idea what anyone actually does in null, but I've arbitrarily decided I know what they do with their minerals!"

generaldiscussion.txt right there

So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?

titans, supercaps, etc. can't be sourced from jita.

They effectively are, we just have the actually build them in 0.0.

Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.

~MD Superstar~, eh?

To think you've criticized others for appealing to authority.

A couple of thousands posts created in the last years certainly passed completely unseen.

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

Actualy not, miners in empire are more in danger than in null space, where big alliances directors alts mining in some 0.0 empty systems, i know mining got big boost , like no need to use jet cans, big ore bays, roles etc but people still hate miners, espetialy in empire area.

Actualy not, miners in empire are more in danger than in null space, where big alliances directors alts mining in some 0.0 empty systems, i know mining got big boost , like no need to use jet cans, big ore bays, roles etc but people still hate miners, espetialy in empire area.

True story i was few month in c0ven alliance (long time ago), meny of pvprs just mining rare ores on alts like this one which may explode while mining, no idea how things went these days in this alliance, i dont blame them for it, just share with my view, everyone got ritgt to mining.

There's a lot of reasons, most of which have been pointed out but I'll repeat because I'm like that:

1) Profit.