So why?

So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?

Because most nullsec alliances don't want miners. They only want hardened PvP'ers. Many nullsec alliances advertise in recruitment looking for industrialists and miners, yet it's a bait and switch. When the miner or industrialist gets out there, they're told to get in fleet and fight, and to mine on their own time somewhere else.

That's the problem. The bait and switch. Miners aren't stupid or if they fell for it once they're not stupid enough to fall for the fake lure of nullsec again.

So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

Are you folks really so unoriginal as to generate this, the 1,556,897th Anti-Miner thread ever on EVE-O forums?

This game needs an infusion of totally new blood and ideas.

This endless cycle has become boring and repetitive for the past 3 years.

I feel sorry actually for those who have played longer and have had to listen to you Man-Children fire up the same old nonsense over and over and over...... year after year after year.

It's quite sad.

So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?

I was quite careful in not insulting or offending any one while writing it.

Because in nullsec alliances they get killed just because they mine in nullsec sov space "without permission".
Because tritanium and pyerite are actually needed in manufacturing of the ships you use to pew pew mining ships.

And of course nobody is going to let you use their jump network just to move ore around.

So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?

This wasn't actually an anti-miner thread, I was quite careful in not insulting or offending any one while writing it.
For me it's a serious question I have always wondered, and most of the feedback so far though not as diplomatic has answered my question quite well.

I'm making the assumption that you're a HighSec miner? would you be able to tell me your own reasons for not wanting to move to NullSec and mine, what is it that put you or your corporation off?
Maybe in understanding those reasons the player base or CCP could work on making NullSec more appealing or open to miners.

We have learned not toanswer these threads. I sure have after 3 years.

Uhm... I hate to break this to you...

There's a lot of reasons, most of which have been pointed out but I'll repeat because I'm like that:

1) Profit. Generally speaking you aren't .......

5) Skills. It takes a lot more skillpoints to hash out a career in null-sec mining. You need all your refining skills to make best use of the refining services and high-end mining crystals.

Thank you for being brave. Good luck.

brave? more like honest. null sec isn't an isk printing monster for miners.

if you can't use t2 crystals you really have no business mining. you'll make more isk doing almost anything else.

if you can't use t2 crystals you really have no business mining. you'll make more isk doing almost anything else. not to mention if you can use t2 crystals, a mere 2% refining implant will get you lossless refining in a 40% station if i'm not mistaken.

There's no conditional on this - You will make more ISK in a shorter time doing almost anything that isn't mining, period, since you could have used all the time you spent training those mining skills to get into a mission ship. Mining isn't really that profitable on an individual basis. Most of the people I see making a killing off mining are essentially one-man mining ops that run six accounts or so and mine 10 hours a day. The main thing that makes mining so 'profitable' is that it requires a minimum of attention, so you can mine while watching TV, making dinner, or playing another game, as most of the people I've mined with tended to do. It's a way to convert otherwise wasted time when you can't be bothered to pay attention into a small bit of ISK.

EVE is harsh like that.

That would also require Refining Level 5, Refinery Efficiency V, and (Ore) Processing I. Then the 5% Implant. Get (Ore) Processing V, and you can forget the expensive 5% Implant in Null Sec. But you will need it at a 35% station regardless I believe.

http://eve.podzone.net/refining.php


Let the arguing begin.

EDIT: confusing typo

brave? more like honest. null sec isn't an isk printing monster for miners.