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Jubilation Lee
Transwarp Nuclear Dickpunch
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:04:00 -
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I'm about to graduate to battleships, and i'm hearing mixed reports about caldari ship effectiveness, i'd like if you guys could help me decide on a ship.
i'm about to get a Raven or a Rokh, but i've heard good things about Maelstrom and Megathron.
if you happen to have good experiences and a fit that would be great!
edit** regarding the raven, i've read that cruise missiles and torpedos have recently received a big nerf, should i focus on something that relies less on launchers? |
Astroniomix
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
290
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:24:00 -
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The only missile that got a nerf was the heavy missile. Everything else was either buffed or left alone. Raven with cruise missiles is still a solid ship for lvl4s. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
107
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:32:00 -
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Jubilation Lee wrote:i'm about to get a Raven or a Rokh, but i've heard good things about Maelstrom and Megathron.
Al of these are viable for starting out with BSs in L4 missions.
Later on, you'll want to switch to something better, either pirate faction (Machariel, Nightmare) or marauder (Vargur). Since training for a Maelstrom carries over when flying a Machariel or a Vargur ... |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce
3406
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:36:00 -
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Rokh is terrible for PvE. Since you are now about to get to the battleships, am I right to assume that you have been running missions in a Drake before? Many new Caldari pilots lose their first Raven, since they expect it to tank like a Drake. It does not. Don't be that guy. As far as I know there is no passive Raven fitting that is at least halfways acceptable. So make sure that your active tanking skills are at least somewhat decent before you undock your Raven. For best results and enhanced forum experience, please read my posts in Snooki's voice |
Jubilation Lee
Transwarp Nuclear Dickpunch
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:41:00 -
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thanks for the replies, and i'll keep in mind it's not a drake :) |
Boudacca Sangrere
Ideal Machine Academy The Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:58:00 -
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Battleships are fun. Most of us probably still remember the first time they undocked with their BS (and the first time it was popped...). Especially for new pilots I would recommend the Navy Scorpion as a mission ship for Level 4s. Granted, it is a tad pricier than the Raven (still a lot cheaper than the Navy Raven though), BUT it has a much stronger tank. A strong tank is a very good thing when learning level 4 missions.
Also, it is ALWAYS a very good idea to read up on the mission, know which hardeners to fit and what damage to bring. A decent Navy Scorp fit, including ship can be done for less then 500 mil (or a couple days of Level 4 missions...). I' ll be happy to answer your questions as I have flown both, CNR and Navy Scorp quite a bit.
Fly safe!
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
427
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:00:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:The only missile that got a nerf was the heavy missile. Everything else was either buffed or left alone. Raven with cruise missiles is still a solid ship for lvl4s.
Not true. While the direct 10% dmg nerf is only on hmls, it's the exp radius and velocity nerf that killed it, not the puny 10% dmg. In other words, no, in term of applied dmg, the nerf isn't limited to hml. Why they thought Rage torps need even larger exp radius than they had, I'll never know... Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:44:00 -
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I did several level 4 missions in my Navy Raven yesterday. The last mission I did was Sansha Blockade. I went with 2 rapid launchers and 5 cruise missile launchers. I did fine.
I do have a full drone bay of t1 hobgoblins, and use them very little when the rat frigates are present. I noticed that when rat frigates are gone, the light scout drones are very safe to use. It seems that rat cruisers and up don't pay any attention to them. The rat sentry guns and missile batteries might still engage your drones. I plan to try using medium scouts today and see if they will be ignored by the rat cruisers and larger rat ships. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:57:00 -
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Don't mix launchers Starships were meant to fly~ |
Postitute
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:10:00 -
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It is still a few months away for you probably, but a torp golem is a lot more powerful now. I've only had time for a single mission but applied dmg is much higher now with the explosion radius skill now applying to torps. |
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Hae Sung
Da Learnin Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:53:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Astroniomix wrote:The only missile that got a nerf was the heavy missile. Everything else was either buffed or left alone. Raven with cruise missiles is still a solid ship for lvl4s. Not true. While the direct 10% dmg nerf is only on hmls, it's the exp radius and velocity nerfs are what killed it, not the puny 10% dmg. In other words, no, in term of applied dmg, the nerf isn't limited to hml. Why they thought Rage torps need even larger exp radius than they had, I'll never know... Save for a Mach. Winmatar wins, and will continue to do so until the current generation of devs at CCP dies of old age.
Rage torps got a larger explosion radius to compensate for guided missile precision now affecting them. It puts them right back where they started if you've trained GMP to V.
Now the difference is that rigs that reduce explosion radius will also work on the torps, further shrinking them. If the increase were not in place, it would have been a huge buff to torps instead of a moderate one. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2012.12.10 00:04:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Don't mix launchers How you deal with scram frigs is your choice. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Nalha Saldana
Syneptics Inc. AL3XAND3R.
360
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Posted - 2012.12.10 00:18:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Don't mix launchers How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.
The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them. You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2012.12.10 00:27:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:Caleidascope wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Don't mix launchers How you deal with scram frigs is your choice. The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them. You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead. LOL You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
MrTiddle
MADE IN EVE
4
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Posted - 2012.12.10 01:17:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Caleidascope wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Don't mix launchers How you deal with scram frigs is your choice. The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them. You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead. LOL You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Nalha, said exactly what your statement stands for - Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Eat the BS's first otherwise your mission time is chancy.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2012.12.10 01:41:00 -
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MrTiddle wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Caleidascope wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Don't mix launchers How you deal with scram frigs is your choice. The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them. You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead. LOL You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Nalha, said exactly what your statement stands for - Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! Eat the BS's first otherwise your mission time is chancy. There appears to be a bug in the missions. Some missions that used to have groups where you can agro one group at a time are now have full room agro. What it means is that instead of dealing with 4-6 bs rats, you are dealing with 12-16 bs rats. If you are scramed, you will simply die. I am doing one such mission, Serpentis The Assault. So I am using my rapid launchers to kill frigates. Just finished killing all the frigs that were there, I have a few cruisers and a bunch of bs rats left, they seem to ignore the medium scout drones.
If you use your drones to kill frigs, well... make sure your ship is insured. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.10 01:44:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Caleidascope wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Don't mix launchers How you deal with scram frigs is your choice. The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them. You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead. LOL You obviously don't know what you are talking about. A full set of t2 lights will kill off the frigates in almost any mission at the very least as fast as you can kill the BSs, if not then your drone skills are very, very bad and should be upgraded ASAP. As to the topic at hand, it depends on what you want to fly and where you run missions: Nightmare for lasers and em/thermal rats Dominix/navy dominix for drones/hybrids and kinetic/thermal rats Vargur/macharial for autocannons and explosive rats CNR/golem for missiles, and they work well against all rat types (but not as well as the respective turrets)
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Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.10 01:46:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote: There appears to be a bug in the missions. Some missions that used to have groups where you can agro one group at a time are now have full room agro. What it means is that instead of dealing with 4-6 bs rats, you are dealing with 12-16 bs rats. If you are scramed, you will simply die. I am doing one such mission, Serpentis The Assault. So I am using my rapid launchers to kill frigates. Just finished killing all the frigs that were there, I have a few cruisers and a bunch of bs rats left, they seem to ignore the medium scout drones.
If you use your drones to kill frigs, well... make sure your ship is insured.
Could you link your fit? When I run the assault I aggro the whole room on purpose, makes killing things faster, not sure why you're having a hard time. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2012.12.10 02:05:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Caleidascope wrote: There appears to be a bug in the missions. Some missions that used to have groups where you can agro one group at a time are now have full room agro. What it means is that instead of dealing with 4-6 bs rats, you are dealing with 12-16 bs rats. If you are scramed, you will simply die. I am doing one such mission, Serpentis The Assault. So I am using my rapid launchers to kill frigates. Just finished killing all the frigs that were there, I have a few cruisers and a bunch of bs rats left, they seem to ignore the medium scout drones.
If you use your drones to kill frigs, well... make sure your ship is insured.
Could you link your fit? When I run the assault I aggro the whole room on purpose, makes killing things faster, not sure why you're having a hard time. To be fair, after I posted the above, I think I might have hit the triggers or something. I have been warping in and out, I should finish it soonish. It is not a big deal. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
221
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Posted - 2012.12.10 02:10:00 -
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You should still probably link your fit, since it sounds bad and you would benefit from having some more experienced players help you fix it. |
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:00:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:You should still probably link your fit, since it sounds bad and you would benefit from having some more experienced players help you fix it. the original fit was 7 cruise launchers, 3 bcu, 1 x large shield booster, 2 shield boost amplifiers, the rest to taste. bad... another lol Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Ragnarok Knight
ROGUE - DRONES
15
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:11:00 -
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The BEST mission running ship USED to be the dominix. but now drones get killed. so now it is the WORST
The best now are ammar battleships, due to the high-tanking. Ease of cap-stability, light drone capabilities, and the efficiency of not having to use expensive ammunition so thus making more isk-per-hour.
.....or you could stop doing mission running..... |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:25:00 -
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Meh, best mission ship is still the Machariel. |
Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:33:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:The BEST mission running ship USED to be the dominix. but now drones get killed. so now it is the WORST
The best now are ammar battleships, due to the high-tanking. Ease of cap-stability, light drone capabilities, and the efficiency of not having to use expensive ammunition so thus making more isk-per-hour.
.....or you could stop doing mission running..... You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Drones pulling aggro isn't an issue with sentry drones (which is what a domi should be using) and the DPS output from a well fit domi is absurd, I actually think it's the best damage projection of any ship in the game.(EDIT: subcaps I mean) |
MrTiddle
MADE IN EVE
4
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:18:00 -
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Ragnarok Knight wrote:The BEST mission running ship USED to be the dominix. but now drones get killed. so now it is the WORST
The best now are ammar battleships, due to the high-tanking. Ease of cap-stability, light drone capabilities, and the efficiency of not having to use expensive ammunition so thus making more isk-per-hour.
.....or you could stop doing mission running.....
any solid reasons to call Domi the WORST other than drones get killed?
no matter what ship you have as soon as the drones launched they'll be killed. And Domi has double bonuses both hybrids/drones. So thechnically you can fit T2 Neutrons + mag stabbs and still have enough DPS plus throw cheap T1 drones so wouldn't worry about you loose it.
Anyway Domi is still one of the best machines to run missions with.
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Boudacca Sangrere
Ideal Machine Academy The Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:53:00 -
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I just played around with some fits and I think CCP has actually given us a (not "the", but just "a") tool to handle the new rat AI:
Behold the Large Micro Jump Drive
Sample fit:
Navy Scorpion
High Slots:
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Auto Targeting System I
Mid Slots:
Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp. Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Rat specific hardener (damage type 1) Rat specific hardener (damage type 1) Rat specific hardener (damage type 2) Rat specific hardener (damage type 2) Large Micro Jump Drive
Low Slots:
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II
Rigs:
Large Warhead Flare Large Warhead Rigor Large Warhead Rigor
Drones:
5 x Hobgoblin II 5 x Hammerhead II
Basically, you are utilizing the strenght of the cruise missile - range. Upon landing on grid, (depending on rat spawn distance), you turn around and fire up the Micro Warp Drive, then snipe as ships come, rinse and repeat if needed. TP helps targeting frigs. Drones are there to help if needed as well. I know this is slightly overtanked, but I rather overtank then buy new : P (at least until I get fully used to the new
B. |
Nicolai Xperte
No Fracks Givin Inc
7
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Posted - 2012.12.10 10:21:00 -
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Boudacca Sangrere wrote:I just played around with some fits and I think CCP has actually given us a (not "the", but just "a") tool to handle the new rat AI:
Behold the Large Micro Jump Drive
Sample fit:
Navy Scorpion
High Slots:
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Auto Targeting System I
Mid Slots:
Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp. Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Rat specific hardener (damage type 1) Rat specific hardener (damage type 1) Rat specific hardener (damage type 2) Rat specific hardener (damage type 2) Large Micro Jump Drive
Low Slots:
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II
Rigs:
Large Warhead Flare Large Warhead Rigor Large Warhead Rigor
Drones:
5 x Hobgoblin II 5 x Hammerhead II
Basically, you are utilizing the strenght of the cruise missile - range. Upon landing on grid, (depending on rat spawn distance), you turn around and fire up the Micro Warp Drive, then snipe as ships come, rinse and repeat if needed. TP helps targeting frigs. Drones are there to help if needed as well. I know this is slightly overtanked, but I rather overtank then buy new : P (at least until I get fully used to the new AI).
I have no experience with Gallente ships, but I recon that this trick should work just as well with a Navy Domi and Sentries...
B.
That's alot of work just to kill some frigs esp with cruise missiles, with the new drone mechanics at work you should primary frigs right away with your drones let them get close so that your drones are within instant return range and you should be just fine. We will need to adapt to using that extra drop down menu to show drone status (S/A/H) and pay attn to when frigs drop locks to switch to your drones 'cause I don't think CCP will change or alter the game mechanics of this just yet. On the other hand I wish they would do something about the Sansha TD's that's a true pain in the arse. Oh btw I did try Medium Drones and the frigs still target them so be advised. I don't always bring out my Absolution.
But when I do it makes the Blue's rage, lol. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
492
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Posted - 2012.12.10 10:32:00 -
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i have yet to lose more than three drones in a mission after the patch. i have run WC, vengeance, silence the informant and gurista assault, most of them several times. either i am incredibly lucky or people who are crying about missions are full of crap.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Nicolai Xperte
No Fracks Givin Inc
7
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Posted - 2012.12.10 10:44:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:i have yet to lose more than three drones in a mission after the patch. i have run WC, sanshas vengeance, sanshas blockade, silence the informant and gurista assault, most of them several times. either i am incredibly lucky or people who are crying about missions are full of crap.
I did a Stop the Thief deployed drones and they instantly popped about 3 but you know how many non-scram frigs are in that mission a lot so I left em alone I don't always bring out my Absolution.
But when I do it makes the Blue's rage, lol. |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
28
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:38:00 -
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Personally I have had a lot of fun with a Vindicator (Yes, I know it's a loot pinata, and no, I don't fly it with this character):
8x 425mm Railgun II (Void for extra oomph. Javelin for extra tracking. Fed Navy AM for everything else.)
100MN experimental AB 3x Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II w/ scripts
Damage Control II 1600 rolled tungsten Fed. Navy Large armor rep 2x Corelum C-type EANM (or similar) 3x Fed. Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
4 Sentries 5 light drones
2x Large Cap. Control Ciruit 1x Large Anti-Explosive Pump
Dps is about 1100 w/ drones, 850 without
Cap lasts 5 minutes with everything running, almost stable w/out (by the time you run out everything should be dead, or you're doing something wrong).
Need to be a bit careful with aggro management in some missions, and it's useless in any missions with sensor damps (Rattlesnake or Navy Domi for those).
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