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Apaolo Miros
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.12.11 06:00:00 -
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Aside from prerequisite considerations - some skills are really important to have at 5 for specific reasons.
Like Logistics 5 - needed to have full potential on scimi Recon 5 - needed to get full potential for Recons Intradictor? etc...
What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do? |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
945
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Posted - 2012.12.11 06:38:00 -
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anything you do or fly more than once a week should be at 5. This includes ship skills, offensive skills, tank skills, support skills, any other skills you use. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
497
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:16:00 -
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destroyers, battlecruisers, electronics, engineering, drones, weapon upgrades.... yea.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
235
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:17:00 -
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CovOps, AF... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:48:00 -
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Apaolo Miros wrote:Aside from prerequisite considerations - some skills are really important to have at 5 for specific reasons.
Like Logistics 5 - needed to have full potential on scimi Recon 5 - needed to get full potential for Recons Intradictor? etc...
What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do? Recon 5 is a special case that primarily applies to Force Recons, as the CPU reduction for the covert cloak is really needed to make many fits possible. The ships are somewhat useless with only level 1-2 skill, which is a real oddity.
Logistics 5 is a huge win, though one can scrape by without it, but you really don't want to. I can't begin to tell you how much trouble I had with capacitor until I trained Logistics 5.
Then there are the level 5's for a few T2 modules (WDFG II, covert cyno, triage II, siege II, etc.)
All T2 ships benefit from specializing to some extent, because after all that is what they are all about, but I can't think of any other must have cases (though I can think of many "you'd be foolish to not have 5" cases).
EDIT: Just thought of one Interceptor 5. You want a small signature when you are so fragile. |
Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company Rebel Alliance of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:34:00 -
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spaceship command lvl 5 |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
208
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Posted - 2012.12.11 15:01:00 -
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I've pretty much always felt that Drone Interfacing V is a must. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
136
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Posted - 2012.12.11 16:46:00 -
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Evasive maneuvering V.
As I once read from Malcanis several years ago, if I could train this to VI, I would.
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Backfyre
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:31:00 -
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It all depends on what you do. Many skills at level 5 simply make fitting easier so it depends upon what you do in Eve. Some skills at 5 open access to T2 modules, which can be a big boost over level 4 skills. T2 salvagers is one example and weapon systems are another. T2 blasters with T2 ammo >> Meta 4 blasters with faction ammo. If you use drones, that extra 20% drone boost makes drone interfacing 5 a must. Similar with fighters if you fly carriers.
Basically, train whatever you use a lot to 5. The list of "what shouldn't you train to 5" may be shorter. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
950
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Posted - 2012.12.11 22:00:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I've pretty much always felt that Drone Interfacing V is a must.
it really isnt unless youre a carrier pilot. in fact, i would call it the most over rated skill in eve. yes most people will end up training it but it's definitely not a skill id recommend anyone train early on. the vast majority of ships benefit from it very little. the obvious exception being dedicated drone boats. most people seem to just get sucked in by the 20% benefit which in eve terms is huge but if you actually run the numbers, most 5% benefit skills give you a much bigger actual increase then upping your drone DPS by 20%. |
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Apaolo Miros
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:44:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Apaolo Miros wrote:Aside from prerequisite considerations - some skills are really important to have at 5 for specific reasons.
Like Logistics 5 - needed to have full potential on scimi Recon 5 - needed to get full potential for Recons Intradictor? etc...
What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do? Recon 5 is a special case that primarily applies to Force Recons, as the CPU reduction for the covert cloak is really needed to make many fits possible. The ships are somewhat useless with only level 1-2 skill, which is a real oddity. Logistics 5 is a huge win, though one can scrape by without it, but you really don't want to. I can't begin to tell you how much trouble I had with capacitor until I trained Logistics 5. Then there are the level 5's for a few T2 modules (WDFG II, covert cyno, triage II, siege II, etc.) All T2 ships benefit from specializing to some extent, because after all that is what they are all about, but I can't think of any other must have cases (though I can think of many "you'd be foolish to not have 5" cases). EDIT: Just thought of one Interceptor 5. You want a small signature when you are so fragile.
Thanks everyone for writing. This is a fantastic reply - thank you. Just I was looking for.
I agree 5's on what you fly and for T2 modules. I should have clarified that I was looking for examples of ships that fit or work best when something is trained up to 5. Not just a little better, but really reach their max potential. |
Apaolo Miros
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:52:00 -
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This guy Jack Milton is my twin! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1159
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:15:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:CovOps, AF... Although I don't know the author's original intent, when I first read Covert Ops it tweaked something in the back of my head, but I couldn't remember so I let it go.
Well, I think I just remembered.
Probing frigates get a 3% per level scan bonus and Covert Ops get a 5% per level scan bonus, and the prerequisite for Covert Ops is racial frigate 5. So unless you train Covert Ops 3 or higher, you are better off in a T1 scanning frigate!
Similarly Strategic Cruisers get a 5% scan bonus for racial Electronic Subsystem (rank 1), which some people may be a better investment of time than Covert Ops 5 (rank 4).
EDIT: I think scanning ships were buffed; T1 Frigates 3% -> 5%, Covert Ops 5% -> 10%; so my numbers are wrong, but the idea is the same. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10656
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:02:00 -
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All the core skills, obviously.
Logistics, as mentioned due to the massive change it makes. Recon, if you intend to fly force recons. Drone Interfacing if you ever intend to use combat drones as a real damage dealer.
While I can't vouch for it myself, the capship pilots I know swear by Jump Drive Calibration V.
If you're actually doing a lot of it and/or under competitive circumstances, the mini-profession skills (Salvaging, Hacking, Archaeology) are well-worth it because of the great improvement you get from the T2 modules. For much the same reason, and with similar caveats, Sentry Drones GÇö the jump to T2 is just that good. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Valrandir
Elemental Mercury
4
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:39:00 -
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Apaolo Miros wrote:Aside from prerequisite considerations - some skills are really important to have at 5 for specific reasons.
Like Logistics 5 - needed to have full potential on scimi Recon 5 - needed to get full potential for Recons Intradictor? etc...
What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?
Right now - what you use most. Eventually - everything.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1170
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Posted - 2012.12.14 00:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:While I can't vouch for it myself, the capship pilots I know swear by Jump Drive Calibration V.
If you're actually doing a lot of it and/or under competitive circumstances, the mini-profession skills (Salvaging, Hacking, Archaeology) are well-worth it because of the great improvement you get from the T2 modules. For much the same reason, and with similar caveats, Sentry Drones GÇö the jump to T2 is just that good. Dang Tippia, good calls! I should have thought of those.
I agree that sentry and heavy drones are pretty pointless unless you can use the T2 versions, and I always recommend JDC 5 as I think it should be a prerequisite for using any ship with a jump drive. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
213
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Posted - 2012.12.14 09:42:00 -
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Weapons Upgrades and Advanced Weapons Uprades V.
You might get away without it for quite some time depending on what you do but eventually you might need them at the most inappropriate times..... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers F.E.R.A.L
179
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Posted - 2012.12.17 21:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:While I can't vouch for it myself, the capship pilots I know swear by Jump Drive Calibration V
This applies especially for Blackops I've found.
But a rather specialised skill. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
17
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:18:00 -
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real easy.
*but* you won't understand why you should have these skills until later, when you're aligning faster, shooting further, hitting for more dps than other pilots in your gang who have the same ship and fit as you. especially true with identical "fleet doctrine" fit ships. you lock faster, live longer, and you'll be able to use T2 versions of some of the most random modules...
by certificate:
Core ELITE
Defense ELITE
Turret Control ELITE
Missile Control ELITE
High-Velocity Helmsman ELITE
Elite Drone Operator ELITE <--has Elite in its name twice, self explanatory
your racial ships to V from Frigates to Battleships, (other racial ships to IV thru cruisers, and Battleship at 4)
I am Caldari, and the only elite certs I am missing from this list are the Armor certs to Elite and Drone certs.... WHO'DA THUNK |
Idicious Lightbane
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
25
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Posted - 2012.12.18 11:12:00 -
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I'd argue that this cert has a very pointless skill in it's requirements. Electronic warfare drone interfacing just isn't worth the training time. 20 days for 3km longer drone control range, when have you ever wished you'd had a whopping 3km's more control range on drones. It doesn't improve your e-war drones and isn't a pre-req for any items or other skills.
Drone durability should seriously be rank 1 or 2 at most like the other drone support skills, rank 5 is just to much for what it gives |
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
59
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Posted - 2012.12.18 13:51:00 -
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I don't know about every Core certificate, but I'd definitely recommend Core Capacitor Elite and Core Integrity Elite. Those two will serve you well in just about any combat situation. Specifically, go for Energy Systems Operation V (faster cap recharge) and Energy Management V (larger capacitor), along with Mechanics V (more hull HP), Hull Upgrades V (more armor HP), Shield Operation V (faster shield recharge), and Shield Management V (larger shield buffer).
Those should help out across the board in just about any ship you fly. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:36:00 -
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(Advanced)Weapon Upgrades, Lower CPU/PG need. Do I really need to say more.
Logistics(If you fly that)
Jump Drive Calibration/Operation/Conservation (Calibration+Conservation, Oh god the money that saves)
Spaceship Command, Fuel Conservation!, Acceleration Control. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
151
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:46:00 -
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Apaolo Miros wrote: What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?
Electronics and Engineering. The two capacitor skillz are also very important to train to 5, except maybe if you fly a passive shield tanked ship. Maybe. Drones to 5 as well. Many larger ships allow the use of five small drones.
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Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
38
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Posted - 2012.12.18 15:40:00 -
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Idicious Lightbane wrote:I'd argue that this cert has a very pointless skill in it's requirements. Electronic warfare drone interfacing just isn't worth the training time. 20 days for 3km longer drone control range, when have you ever wished you'd had a whopping 3km's more control range on drones. It doesn't improve your e-war drones and isn't a pre-req for any items or other skills.
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing is rather nice if you use sentries a lot. But I wouldn't exactly put it anywhere on the list of "skills "equired at lvl 5"...
Idicious Lightbane wrote:Drone durability should seriously be rank 1 or 2 at most like the other drone support skills, rank 5 is just to much for what it gives
Agreed.
Salpad wrote:Apaolo Miros wrote: What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?
Electronics and Engineering. The two capacitor skillz are also very important to train to 5, except maybe if you fly a passive shield tanked ship. Maybe. Drones to 5 as well. Many larger ships allow the use of five small drones.
Not to mention T2 scout drones require Drones V and Scout Drone Operation V, so I'd chalk those two up as pretty much required if you use drones at all (which almost everyone does). |
Rain6637
Team Evil
17
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Posted - 2012.12.18 19:40:00 -
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yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it
OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
200
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:21:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.
OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.
Dude,.I took a look at your skills sheet and to be honest, it's not that good. You have completely unnecessary level V's (multitasking level V LOL) . You also have a ton of important skills left at level 3 or 4. You don't have the uber skilled tune that you think you do. Not by a long shot. You can't even use warrior 2 drones...
I looked before and only mention this now as this is the second time you have mentioned it |
Rain6637
Team Evil
17
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:07:00 -
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I'm working on drones, min maxed for them all. so. thanks. on it.
i never claimed to have an uber skilled toon, btw, that's in your imagination. bro |
Leopold Jakuard
State Of Unrest
2
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:36:00 -
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The boost from Gas Cloud Harvesting IV to V is just too important, nobody should collect with T1 harvester and w/o the skill to V. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
200
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:11:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.
OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.
Except that you kind of did. You claimed that elite certificates are the way to go.
That may tbe the case if that is your goal, the elite certificates. But as your skills relate - it is not necessarily the way to do it if you want a properly skilled character for what you want to do with it.
The issue was that you are putting too much stock into the elite certificates. There are cases where they lead you down the wrong road.
Riedle |
Lonig
Red Lightning Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:40:00 -
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I disagree on Drone Durability.
Pre-Ret, yes. Post, no. Having that 5% per skill level is rather handy in everything not L4+->WH->Bombers. I'd take it to L3 at least, and possibly 4 if you are early in your career. I agree taking it all the way to lvl 5 is pointless. But 1 or 2 is no longer good enough for folks who don't have T2s. And taking it to level 4 is not that much of an effort anyway.
It isn't a huge priority, and it won't do a huge amount, but if you've come close to losing a drone on recalling them, this might just let them make it back. And a penny saved is a penny earned. |
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