Aside from prerequisite considerations - some skills are really important to have at 5 for specific reasons.

Like
Logistics 5 - needed to have full potential on scimi
Recon 5 - needed to get full potential for Recons
Intradictor? etc...

What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?

I've pretty much always felt that Drone Interfacing V is a must.

Recon 5 is a special case that primarily applies to Force Recons, as the CPU reduction for the covert cloak is really needed to make many fits possible. The ships are somewhat useless with only level 1-2 skill, which is a real oddity.

Logistics 5 is a huge win, though one can scrape by without it, but you really don't want to. I can't begin to tell you how much trouble I had with capacitor until I trained Logistics 5.

Then there are the level 5's for a few T2 modules (WDFG II, covert cyno, triage II, siege II, etc.)

All T2 ships benefit from specializing to some extent, because after all that is what they are all about, but I can't think of any other must have cases (though I can think of many "you'd be foolish to not have 5" cases).

EDIT: Just thought of one Interceptor 5. You want a small signature when you are so fragile.

CovOps, AF...

Aside from prerequisite considerations - some skills are really important to have at 5 for specific reasons.

Like
Logistics 5 - needed to have full potential on scimi
Recon 5 - needed to get full potential for Recons
Intradictor? etc...

What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?

While I can't vouch for it myself, the capship pilots I know swear by Jump Drive Calibration V.

If you're actually doing a lot of it and/or under competitive circumstances, the mini-profession skills (Salvaging, Hacking, Archaeology) are well-worth it because of the great improvement you get from the T2 modules.
For much the same reason, and with similar caveats, Sentry Drones GÇö the jump to T2 is just that good.

While I can't vouch for it myself, the capship pilots I know swear by Jump Drive Calibration V

Elite Drone Operator ELITE <--has Elite in its name twice, self explanatory


http://eveboard.com/pilot/Rain6637 <--not just talking out my sitting end

What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?

I'd argue that this cert has a very pointless skill in it's requirements. Electronic warfare drone interfacing just isn't worth the training time. 20 days for 3km longer drone control range, when have you ever wished you'd had a whopping 3km's more control range on drones. It doesn't improve your e-war drones and isn't a pre-req for any items or other skills.

Drone durability should seriously be rank 1 or 2 at most like the other drone support skills, rank 5 is just to much for what it gives

Electronics and Engineering. The two capacitor skillz are also very important to train to 5, except maybe if you fly a passive shield tanked ship. Maybe. Drones to 5 as well. Many larger ships allow the use of five small drones.

yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.

OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.

yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.

OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.

Dude,.I took a look at your skills sheet and to be honest, it's not that good. You have completely unnecessary level V's (multitasking level V LOL) . You also have a ton of important skills left at level 3 or 4. You don't have the uber skilled toon that you think you do.

A pure Logistics pilot would not agree. Multi to V makes a world of difference when your locking and dropping Broadcasts.

How so?

More targets pre-targetted = quicker reps

Basi has 10 max targets. V targeting and V multi = 10 targets iirc

You get a couple of targets "for free". I think you only need Multitasking at 3 to get 10 targets.

Again, another case of following the certificates to the detriment of common sense.

As I posted, Multitasking 5 isn't required by any certificate.

Another case of min/maxing to the detriment of common sense.

Targeting 0: 2
Targeting 1: 3
Targeting 2: 4
Targeting 3: 5
Targeting 4: 6 [requirement of Core Targeting Basic]
Targeting 5: 7

Multitasking 1: 8 [requirement of Core Targeting Standard]
Multitasking 2: 9
Multitasking 3: 10 [requirement of Core Targeting Elite]
Multitasking 4: 11
Multitasking 5: 12

How to get extra targets:
Automated Targeting System II (high slot): +3 targets [doesn't need to be activated]
Signal Amplifier II (low slot): +2 targets [passive module]

I use an ATS II on my Rattlesnake (5 drones + 5 NPC), and sometimes Chimera, and the SA II on my Raven Navy Issue (primarily for range, but the extra targets are nice). I've not used one on a T2 Logistics ship, but I suspect they might have use on a T1 logistics cruiser (free high slots).

Thanks fellas.

Riedle

Thanks fellas.

There is no requirement for logi's to be able to target 10 ships other than multitasking 3.

So a logi pilot, like myself, would call BS to multi-tasking V being needed.

Again, another case of following the certificates to the detriment of common sense.

Riedle

Sorry if I missed someone else say it....

But I'm surprised I haven't read about CYBERNETICS V. The +5 is an absolute MUST in my opinion for anyone looking to stay in their toon for the long haul. Not too mention the 5/6% bonus implants they open up for min/maxing.

If I start an alt, it'd be Cybernetics to V immediately. My entire post is especially true if you're living in high sec with limited risk to losing your clones.

Well having missed a few comments since I posted my Multi V comment I guess I should clarify. For incursions in fleets that consist of 12 pilots multitasking IV and a sig amp allow a Pro Logi to keep all fleet members locked and alive. less than that the Logi pilot is relegated to public fleets. For Incursion Assaults 20 man fleets two Pro logistics can maintain Locks for Links as well as continuous reps available.

In blobs I have found that 12 targets locked gave me the advantage of instantly sending reps to ships before armor damage many times.

In the recent tournaments I was able to run a solo Scimi with T1 rigs (tourney rules) and kept 3 e-war frigs alive even though they were primaried by Two Kronos's. eventually lost everything but me in the Scimi :(

So yes I think Multitasking 5 is a good skill, but I would set engineering skills at the top followed by shield and armor compensation, and of course the only guns in EVE I like to use are T2 anything else is a waste of skill points.

And of course if you want to fly a ship better than most train that ships particular skill to 5, for instance my Sleipnir at Command ship V was 1000dps guns, 2500dps tank, monster that I love to fly.

anything you do or fly more than once a week should be at 5.
This includes ship skills, offensive skills, tank skills, support skills, any other skills you use.

Honestly it's more a question of what you should NOT take to 5.

It's a very short list. There are, of course, skills that are very very niche but I believe that Tatical Shield Manipulation is the example of a main skill that should never be leveled to V. You need IV to get tech II Invulnerability Fields but the 5% chance extra of bleed is of more benefit to a shield tanker, despite it sounding silly. This is because you want your shield to be sitting at or near 25% for the optimal recharge and a small bleed will allow you to keep it near that.

edit:changed Shield Booster for Invulnerability Field since Field is correct and I haven't shield tanked in a while :(