Tracking camera is awful. And totally unusable when you stop just looking and try using it in combat.

1: It forcedly places my ship out of the center of the screen, not allowing to adjust it so that (my) ship would be centered and enemy vessel would be a bit higher to the left. Just try if you don't believe. "Tracking" checkbox in d-scan window solves nothing in this case, because your own ship is still not centered.

2 (I hate this most): It resets camera zoom to some fixed unchangeable range. For example, I fly interceptor and wish to see objects in 30km radius from my ship but with camera tracking it's just impossible - every switch between targets resets camera zoom to much closer distance than I need. Or activate tracking camera and try to observe the sphere with 70+ km radius actively switching targets.

Tracking camera is awful. And totally unusable when you stop just looking and try using it in combat.

1: It forcedly places my ship out of the center of the screen, not allowing to adjust it so that (my) ship would be centered and enemy vessel would be a bit higher to the left. Just try if you don't believe. "Tracking" checkbox in d-scan window solves nothing in this case, because your own ship is still not centered.

2 (I hate this most): It resets camera zoom to some fixed unchangeable range. For example, I fly interceptor and wish to see objects in 30km radius from my ship but with camera tracking it's just impossible - every switch between targets resets camera zoom to much closer distance than I need. Or activate tracking camera and try to observe the sphere with 70+ km radius actively switching targets.

Tracking camera is awful. And totally unusable when you stop just looking and try using it in combat.

1: It forcedly places my ship out of the center of the screen, not allowing to adjust it so that (my) ship would be centered and enemy vessel would be a bit higher to the left. Just try if you don't believe. "Tracking" checkbox in d-scan window solves nothing in this case, because your own ship is still not centered.

2 (I hate this most): It resets camera zoom to some fixed unchangeable range. For example, I fly interceptor and wish to see objects in 30km radius from my ship but with camera tracking it's just impossible - every switch between targets resets camera zoom to much closer distance than I need. Or activate tracking camera and try to observe the sphere with 70+ km radius actively switching targets.

Try targeting a drone in combat.... wow what a (unwanted) rush!!!!

I kind of agree on point 2, i'll look into it. Currently the tracking disengages, but stays active, once you zoom out more that 150 ship radii. If you select a new target, the camera zooms in to said limit and tracks it. Perhaps it should just stay disengaged until you zoom in again, or keep tracking no matter how far you zoom out.

Cheers,

The preference is set to keeping the target in a fixed position( to be able to interact with it), and your ship towards the center. The only way to keep the player ship stationary would be to dynamically zoom in and out

Would changing from Euler rotations and adopting a 6DOF Quaternion camera make things better or worse ?
As well as losing the horrible gymbal lock, I find Quaternion transitions to be smoother...

using a totally free floating camera for tracking would make the transition back to normal mode more troublesome, that being said the camera has lot's of potential for improvement.

keep tracking no matter how far you zoom out.

While I do love the new tracking camera feature (it added a nice eyecandy feature to the game), I still don't get what was it developed for, what was the purpose? whom was the target users?

for pvp, it practically disables manual piloting, which is probably one of the dumbest thing anyone could've done in combat and even without any need for manual flight, it's still pretty much useless because it drastically reduces your tactical/environmental awareness.

for pve, well, it looks pretty, but that's it.

In the end, honestly, the tracking camera is a quite welcome addition to the game, but I'm still curious as to what was CCP's intention for adding the feature in the first place, aside from handing out a new camera toggle for those movie makers of course.

What about an option to set both ship position AND tracking position?

for pvp, it practically disables manual piloting, which is probably one of the dumbest thing anyone could've done in combat and even without any need for manual flight, it's still pretty much useless because it drastically reduces your tactical/environmental awareness.

using a totally free floating camera for tracking would make the transition back to normal mode more troublesome, that being said the camera has lot's of potential for improvement.

I'm very curious why you think this? How does it disable manual piloting?? (I can still move the camera around and set course)
I would love you to unpack and explain your reasoning a little here.

Press orbit.
Cameratrack target.
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Conversely, if you use it to scan a system using D-Scan, it is an absolute godsend.

Please stop this useless talk about switching off. It's a feature and all features must work as smoothly as possible, instead of making you switch them off.


Yep, that would be good.

Tracking camera is awful. And totally unusable when you stop just looking and try using it in combat.

1: It forcedly places my ship out of the center of the screen, not allowing to adjust it so that (my) ship would be centered and enemy vessel would be a bit higher to the left. Just try if you don't believe. "Tracking" checkbox in d-scan window solves nothing in this case, because your own ship is still not centered.

2 (I hate this most): It resets camera zoom to some fixed unchangeable range. For example, I fly interceptor and wish to see objects in 30km radius from my ship but with camera tracking it's just impossible - every switch between targets resets camera zoom to much closer distance than I need. Or activate tracking camera and try to observe the sphere with 70+ km radius actively switching targets.

...or keep tracking no matter how far you zoom out.

Cheers,

I'm very curious why you think this? How does it disable manual piloting?? (I can still move the camera around and set course)
I would love you to unpack and explain your reasoning a little here.

Why are people still trolling here press the damn C in game this will fixs the issue with it.

Explanation is if you press the C in game the auto focus is off or on depend on the stand.

It's a feature and all features must work as smoothly as possible, instead of making you switch them off.

Press orbit.
Cameratrack target.
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Receive potato

Why should you have tracking camera on if you don't want to?

I kind of agree on point 2, i'll look into it. Currently the tracking disengages, but stays active, once you zoom out more that 150 ship radii. If you select a new target, the camera zooms in to said limit and tracks it. Perhaps it should just stay disengaged until you zoom in again, or keep tracking no matter how far you zoom out.

Cheers,

Colour me intrigued

What about using a totally free camera ... full-stop; or would upside-down ships be too weird ?

for pvp, it practically disables manual piloting, which is probably one of the dumbest thing anyone could've done in combat and even without any need for manual flight, it's still pretty much useless because it drastically reduces your tactical/environmental awareness.

If you do not PVP, or in the least solo PVP, then just turn it off. But if you are constantly on the hunt, maybe a tackler for a gang then it is, as a player said, a god send. It cuts down D-Scan time by a lot. Click --> Track --> scan. Really great for 5Degree scans also. But in general it's an amazing addition to EVE.

For a frigate size tackler (esp-ly an interceptor) it is NOT a god sent. Because a tackler needs to see at least 30km range in tactical overview. Current camtracking resets zoom to about 5-10 km.

dscan

I hope you noticed that it means camtracking is really of some use only when d-scanning. But on the other side, it also makes d-scanning much easier and thus denies new players a large part of scanning experience because they learn to easily use d-scan at clickable objects without learning to scan any point in 'empty' space (often, targets are NOT at clickable objects).
And it helps to quickly look at the gate you just came from.
That's all illusionary and real benefits for now.
Currently, camtracking's usage is very narrow. Would be good to find it useful (I mean really useful, not just in 1-2 cases) in pvp after a month or two.

P.S.:
For a frigate size tackler (esp-ly an interceptor) it is NOT a god sent. Because a tackler needs to see at least 30km range in tactical overview. Current camtracking resets zoom to about 5-10 km.

Me=B, Asteroid=X, where I click on my screen=O


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As can be seen by the dots, i'm not clicking in the asteroid. I have a lot of distance off to the side. And my velocity is 0, and my ship is actually pointed toward O. So why do I crash into the edge of the asteroid?

It makes a bit more sense if i'm zoomed in all the way, but then I keep clicking myself and I can't SEE anything. If my ship were to say turn into wireframe and no longer be clickable when I zoomed in too close, it would be a bit more doable, but as it is, it's too many independent points in motion projected on a flat surface.

Thanks for the feedback, i have been reading most if not all of the player feedback, and it's been of great value.

The preference is set to keeping the target in a fixed position( to be able to interact with it), and your ship towards the center. The only way to keep the player ship stationary would be to dynamically zoom in and out , i made some experiments with that but the movement was too (drastic).

I kind of agree on point 2, i'll look into it. Currently the tracking disengages, but stays active, once you zoom out more that 150 ship radii. If you select a new target, the camera zooms in to said limit and tracks it. Perhaps it should just stay disengaged until you zoom in again, or keep tracking no matter how far you zoom out.

Cheers,

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If I understand correctly you just bump at the asteroids. Bumping area around them is too big (they even don't have shields) but it's a totally different problem not connected to tracking.

Another graphical thingy..

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I see this on my screen. I click X. I will bounce off the asteroid hard as I crash into it. It just doesn't seem as intuitive as it seems it aught to.

I know what a bump is. I'm zoomed in pretty close to my ship. I'm less than half the height of my atron away from the surface texture of the asteroid when my ship bounces off of it. I was trying to fly at a point that's one whole asteroid diameter, and the asteroid dwarfs my Atron, away from the thing. I was also noticing this when I was flying around through strip miner beams made by parked stationary miners. No "bump" there, but I still end up passing the beam in a different place than I would expect, and I was trying to correct for the camera distance and had the camera pretty close in actually.

Tracking camera is awful. And totally unusable when you stop just looking and try using it in combat.

1: It forcedly places my ship out of the center of the screen, not allowing to adjust it so that (my) ship would be centered and enemy vessel would be a bit higher to the left. Just try if you don't believe. "Tracking" checkbox in d-scan window solves nothing in this case, because your own ship is still not centered.

2 (I hate this most): It resets camera zoom to some fixed unchangeable range. For example, I fly interceptor and wish to see objects in 30km radius from my ship but with camera tracking it's just impossible - every switch between targets resets camera zoom to much closer distance than I need. Or activate tracking camera and try to observe the sphere with 70+ km radius actively switching targets.

the camera should no longer track drones since this morning. But you can hitch a ride with a combat drone with lookat and track your target from there, that's quite fun, tracking works from any object to any object (except the player ship alas, since it's non select-able as is)

Spider Drones in missions... especially when they are in orbit and still on their MWD-boost.

"You spin me right round, baby right round
Like a record baby, right round, round round
You spin me right round, baby right round
Like a record baby, right round, round round"

Spider Drones in missions... especially when they are in orbit and still on their MWD-boost.

"You spin me right round, baby right round
Like a record baby, right round, round round
You spin me right round, baby right round
Like a record baby, right round, round round"