. This method has never worked in any game.

. This method has never worked in any game.

there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun.

You may want to look up a company called Blizzard.

Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.

CCP actually learned its lesson and is not going to rush through crappy establishment expansions. Meanwhile, it has given us a template of fixes it will be working on for winter such as hybrid rebalancing, FW changes, sov mech changes, assault frig bonus fix, etc, as described in the recent devs. These are way more important so just sit tight. If you feel the need to walk your avatar, go play WoW and come back when WIS is fully launched. I'll light a cyno for you when it's here.

You do realise that WiS is a 6-8 year old concept, right?

It was first displayed at a fan fest years ago (which, I may add, has been ninja'd from CCP's YouTube page).

Seems to have gone backward since 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E

[quote=CCP Solomon]CCP please don't bring incarna up again until you mean it. This tease has gone on long enough. Screw this.

You may want to look up a company called Blizzard.

You may want to look up the trend in the numbr of people logging in to EVE.

Ahhh, no.

If someone in null is too stupid to figure out how to make good money post nerf, all they need do is go back to having a money making alt in Empire. That's how it worked for years and nothing has occured to make that more difficult... in fact it would be easier now than ever, considering the changes to agent quality.

Need I point out that this would give even more incentive to have multiple accounts...

Well, you're just an uninformed idiot aren't you.

Thanks for exposing that at the beginning of the post. You have no ******* clue what you're talking about.

Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.

Since there never appeared to be a solid idea about what 'establishments' would bring to EVE, CCP basically postponed a feature that didn't exist in the first place.

Incarna has the potential to be amazing but in terms of importance, for example when allocating resources, it pales, or should pale, in comparison to spaceships. Certainly now, and probably for a long time to come as well. In the end, you can take Incarna out of EVE, but you can't take spaceships out of EVE.

"We won't have Establishments ready by December, so lets do something easier and say we're listening to people. Win-win."