Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.

Honestly, I think the whole concept of incarna was wrong. CCP repeatedly stated that there would be no combat involved like FPS-style killing sprees.
Considering that the majority of eve players go great lenghts just to blow stuff up and watch shiny ships go boom I find it hard to believe that any of them would find a "pacifistic" environment for their avatars enjoyable.
If CCP wants the players to accept WiS, it will not work without combat.

Just incase there was any uncertainty, yes, we are refocussing on spaceships, but don't put your spacelegs away just yet, they will be needed

That is what I needed to hear. Accounts cancelled.

your stuff, contract it to me in Jita 4-4.

Just incase there was any uncertainty, yes, we are refocussing on spaceships, but don't put your spacelegs away just yet, they will be needed

Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.

Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.

I am all for this Incarna stuff people complained about CCP not doing for many years before I even played Eve Online: a sometimes crappy game. I am glad to see the space ship crap being worked on, since you know, I am a starship captain and all that crap.

Just make sure you roll out that Incarna crap right and with **** people can do, maybe even with out blowing up our computers...

I want my Sexual Enhancement shop to be of the same high quality as the ding dongs I will be peddling.

But I want spaceship crap to be right/nice/fixed/cool FIRST.

Well, that sucks. I guess Ill be back when you guys get serious about avatar gameplay. Ive only been waiting 3 years (or whatever). I'm going to go wait somewhere else. CCP please don't bring incarna up again until you mean it. This tease has gone on long enough. Screw this.

Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.

CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.

You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?

I have always been opposed to the very idea of Incarna. Eve at it's core is an internet spaceships game.

If you wanna walk around in a space station, go get a SecondLife account.

I was really worried that Incarna was going to become the focus of Eve's development. I was considering cancelling my accounts because of it. However, with this latest news, I will be keeping my accounts, and maybe even adding a new one.

TL;DR: Accounts subbed!

Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list.

CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.

You should not dismiss everyone as a "barbie maniac" just because they want other features in the game.
I know many who quit not because of Incarna - but because the game got boooring doing the same stuff all over again.
There are people have something called imagination, ya know?

LOL - You did read my earlier doubts on avatar geeks working on FiS stuff, right? There is no "priority FiS or WiS" I think.
They use the FiS shouters so they can.. Ah, I give up. Search for my earlier posts. I'm tired.

Yes, and if you take your.... *staying classy*.... If you care to read all that has been said again you will realize that Incarna was not scrapped, only put into its proper place on the development priority list.

CCP prioritized Incarna while there was still things to do. Now they are backtracking, and taking the proper path.

CCP stopped focusing on spaceships, started focusing on Incarna.

Subscriptions canceled, log-ins dropped.


Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.

Sadly, the Establishments feature will not be coming in the winter expansion. We hear you guys loud and clear and realize that there is still strong support for a multiplayer, avatar based experience in EVE (we also hear those that donGÇÖt want it). However, we think youGÇÖll agree that it has to be a compelling experience and there was a feeling amongst our people that the direction we were taking with the Establishments feature wasGǪ well, not that fun. Additionally, we wanted to ensure that our rendering technology was finely tuned to a point that would ensure all of your characters continued to look great while performing well.

ItGÇÖs humbling to see the support in this thread for a multiplayer Incarna experience and we are still committed to providing it, as and when itGÇÖs ready. We want to take the time to do it right and ensure you guys get something that is both fun and involving. There are no promises about when this will happen, just rest assured that while you are enjoying your space based updates this winter, there will continue to be movement on this.

Sorry barbie maniacs, you just got pushed to the back of the line.

This is just a ******** thing to say.

Different players enjoy different activities in EVE. There is no point to dismissing their particular interest because you do not share it. Some players don't want Incarna, some do, some don't care, some want elements of both. Similaly some don't want to do planetary interaction, or mining, or pvp or PVE. We all have our favourite ways of playing the game, and I think it is one of EVE's strengths that we actually have all of these ways of interacting with the game.

Personally I have no problem with each group having their particular interests focussed on for a particular expansion. I just have a problem with the half arsed approach to satsifying their interests that has typified CCP for the last few expansion cycles.

I don't care about the content of the next expansion. I just want a polished set of features that actually - for once - meet our expectations.

You just **** off one part of the playerbase to please the other. This flip flopping won't work. FFS just one time finish the Project before you beginn another.

ONE SHOT to do it right, so they better hit it on the head the first time.


I wish it were coming this WInter, but the fact is it just isn't.