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Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:51:00 -
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It was my understanding that Establishments were slated for the Winter 2011 Expansion, but going by this Devblog, I see no mention of Establishments in the upcoming Expansion any more, when it was promised multiple times in the past.
So, I'd like a simple yes or no (or SOMETHING, anything.), are Establishments coming with the next Expansion? |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
219
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:53:00 -
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Would you accept no for an answer without making an issue about it ?
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Mersault
The Pie Factory
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:57:00 -
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Establishments, like pies, take a good deal of preperation. They need time to rest before they are good to go. |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:57:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Would you accept no for an answer without making an issue about it ? Yes, I'd just like to know if they're coming or not. The idea of Incarna (WiS at the time.) is what got me into EVE. I was really excited to know that Establishments were coming this Winter, now I'd just like to know if I should still be excited for them or not. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
136
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:03:00 -
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I would like to answer this question with a definate: Mmmnoyermaybe? - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Alua Oresson
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:05:00 -
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From Zulu
Quote:I want to make it clear that this is not a final list. As we go through design and implementation phases some things may require more work than initially expected and others may not hold water in the design phase and therefore may not make it into this particular expansion. Similarly some things might get added to the list. We will keep you updated on our progress every step of the way because, as Hilmar said, communication is one of the things we are dedicated to improve.
Emphasis is mine.
However, I would not be holding my breath. Incarna was initially supposed to release with all four CQ's. They are just getting around to releasing the other three. I would assume the art assets are quite a bit behind. Wouldn't expect to see Establishments until around the summer expansion actually. |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:12:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:From Zulu Quote:I want to make it clear that this is not a final list. As we go through design and implementation phases some things may require more work than initially expected and others may not hold water in the design phase and therefore may not make it into this particular expansion. Similarly some things might get added to the list. We will keep you updated on our progress every step of the way because, as Hilmar said, communication is one of the things we are dedicated to improve.
Emphasis is mine. However, I would not be holding my breath. Incarna was initially supposed to release with all four CQ's. They are just getting around to releasing the other three. I would assume the art assets are quite a bit behind. Wouldn't expect to see Establishments until around the summer expansion actually. I read that, and I understand. I just found that the fact they said Establishments were coming this expansion, then them not appearing on that list, was kind of odd. You'd think something that was promised is coming would already be on that list.
So, of course, now I doubt they are. I'd just like a definite answer.
Really, the moment I read that CCP was "reorganizing" internally, I figured Establishments weren't coming and that (maybe) these fixes are easier to achieve than actually pushing out Establishments, so CCP took the easy road to pleasing the mass whiners on the forums and used this whole thing as a cover for "we won't have Establishments ready by December, so lets do something easier and say we're listening to people. Win-win." buuuuut.. That's just me speculating on the internal workings of CCP.
Honestly, I just want a "yes" or "no" so I know what I'm waiting for. |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:14:00 -
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Also, I'd like to point out that that "not a final list" is almost certainly there so when they remove something at the last minute, people can't say that the list was supposed to be a definite thing, I honestly doubt anything will be added.
Ugh, I'm starting to hate my posts. I'm becoming anti-CCP :/ |
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:20:00 -
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I'll go with no. Considering it's taken them months to get 3 new rooms to the test server I would expect interactive multiplayer environments to show up around the winter 2015 expansion. |
Calipygian
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:21:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote:Also, I'd like to point out that that "not a final list" is almost certainly there so when they remove something at the last minute, people can't say that the list was supposed to be a definite thing, I honestly doubt anything will be added.
Ugh, I'm starting to hate my posts. I'm becoming anti-CCP :/ They can hedge their bets all they want, but no MMO dev is ever let off the hook because they used non-comittal language. MMO fans tend to harsly punish and endlessly bring up any "promise" devs fail to deliver on. Not mentioning something they'd like to get in but aren't pretty confident about is a good strategy in my opinion. |
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:21:00 -
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Well, I'm certainly not that much anti-CCP, but I was very much looking forward to WiS myself, even though I played the game for many years just being a spaceship.
And I agree with your estimation: They figured out: "Phew, Incarna is harder to do than we thought. Luckily we have a bunch of loud 0.0 whiners in the backyard! Lets please them, even though nothing will actually change for them in game. And say we listened to players, even though they only represent a very small percentage of playerbase."
Then the CCP Genius Handshake Award was presented to someone. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
15
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:23:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote: I just found that the fact they said Establishments were coming this expansion, then them not appearing on that list, was kind of odd. You'd think something that was promised is coming would already be on that list.
You do know how long us oldtimers waited on WIS while it was promised to come soontm?I'd think next summer earliest to expect any big new content to the WIS so keep your hopes low is my advice , if you can't enjoy eve without the WIS then you've joined the wrong game imho.IT's there as a sideshow for the main game.
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Iohet Nolafew
Star Frontiers BricK sQuAD.
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:24:00 -
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Based on the other dev blog, I'm willing to bet establishments are going to come when they're done, rather than rushing a half finished product out, which bit them in the ass already this year. So I'd guess no. |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:30:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Mystic5hadow wrote: I just found that the fact they said Establishments were coming this expansion, then them not appearing on that list, was kind of odd. You'd think something that was promised is coming would already be on that list.
You do know how long us oldtimers waited on WIS while it was promised to come soontm?I'd think next summer earliest to expect any big new content to the WIS so keep your hopes low is my advice , if you can't enjoy eve without the WIS then you've joined the wrong game imho.IT's there as a sideshow for the main game. I've only been waiting since 2008, it's not that I can't enjoy EVE without it, it's the fact that CCP always promises stuff then doesn't deliver. Now it was just the ultimate tease to me, as Incarna is something I'm really excited for, they kept saying that Establishments are coming this Winter, we already have CQ teasing us, and now it seems CCP has dropped Establishment from this Winter. Which, for all I know, may not be the case as we all know CCP isn't very good at being clear about everything, but if that is the case then I am severely disappointed. It's the solitary thing I have been waiting for, the rest has just been bonuses to me, and now that it seemed it was finally arriving.. CCP decides to focus on the stuff those-with-the-loudest-mouths (or clickiest-keys? I dunno, lol) complained about.
I will always love EVE, regardless if Establishments come this Winter or not. Though I may be disappointed if they aren't coming any time soon, I will still play and enjoy EVE... Unless they pull this again, then I dunno, I'd probably be really pissed by then. |
Alxea
U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:33:00 -
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I think they were delayed thanks to the playerbase moaning and I was looking forward to the bars and trophy rooms. :( |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:34:00 -
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Iohet Nolafew wrote:Based on the other dev blog, I'm willing to bet establishments are going to come when they're done, rather than rushing a half finished product out, which bit them in the ass already this year. So I'd guess no.
I agree with this, both the release date and what they will be hopefully releasing.
I have no problem waiting till they feel confident enough to give us something good.
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Tristan North
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:35:00 -
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Mystic5hadow wrote:"We won't have Establishments ready by December, so lets do something easier and say we're listening to people. Win-win." This. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:38:00 -
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Are going to make a new post every 3 hrs if you do not get an answer??
Ffs some official write "no" please ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Alua Oresson
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:40:00 -
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The squeeky wheel gets the grease. However, I think that this refocus of their time is well spent. They are still working on WIS. And I do believe they will have something out in about a year. However, I am excited that the actual core gameplay is being addressed. These are items that have plagued the game for years. I'm all for fixing the game before you add more stuff to it. |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:47:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:The squeeky wheel gets the grease. However, I think that this refocus of their time is well spent. They are still working on WIS. And I do believe they will have something out in about a year. However, I am excited that the actual core gameplay is being addressed. These are items that have plagued the game for years. I'm all for fixing the game before you add more stuff to it. I'm happy they're working on FiS, I just wish they would have finished up with Establishments at least before switching to focus on WiS, rather than cutting off WiS and potentially upsetting players (like myself) that were actually excited and waiting for WiS stuff.
They should have just made their intention clear like so "Folks, we know you want FiS stuff, so let us just finish up what we're working on for WiS right now so we don't **** off people waiting for the WiS stuff we promised, then we'll get right to this FiS stuff you want, okay? Okay."
That would have made me perfectly happy. |
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
31
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:53:00 -
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FiS is the priority of the winter expansion, I can guarantee there won't be establishments in it. We don't even have the 3 other captains quarters yet, so obviously the art assets for establishments are not yet done. As for the multiplayer networking for player avatars, I bet that's still in development as well.
If I were to guess, judging by my 10+ expansions that I've seen CCP roll out over the years, I'd say that winter will have the other captains quarters, the expansion after will let you invite other people to your room (and have a few other WiS features), and the expansion after will have the first iteration of establishments.
To be frank, Incarna had no content, Tyrannis was a minigame, and Dominion was a failure. The last good (and man was it good) expansion that we had was Apocrypha 1.5 years ago, so CCP has a ton of catching up to do to ensure that players have a reason to play the game. They took verbal flak, and CCP has recently started to lose a fair share of subscribers. The next 2 expansions will almost certainly be centered around engaging gameplay content. |
Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:00:00 -
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Agreed, when i found this game i found it to be completely awesome when i started. It still is, but they need to address the things they have not finished yet. I can say that from when i started about 1.75 years ago the game has changed a great deal, it also seems to have broken some things along the way, especially where it concerns ship balancing (namely the gallente ships). It's terrible game mechanics when the minmatar are referred to as the "Winmatar" and all new players are heartily urged to abandon their racial heritage in favor of the FOTM. Even the caldari known to be the favored class for PVE with the EWAR owneveryone PVP ships overshadow the gallente... sigh.
I must give them absolute kudos though on the best game i've ever played even despite it's flaws. They truly aren't doing a bad job, and it's not the indians at the desk fault for the issues. Hilmars letter, sincere or not (however you feel about it) steps up and accepts the blame for the issues. The desk jockeys that put this code together for us are simply doing what they are told, they don't get to write their own checks so let's not smash them upside the head to much.
Good Job CCP, you can do it better than the rest, now give us the great game it is. And yes, i personally want the WiS. I want a freaking lazor gun, and i want to shoot that cheating scum of a player at the card table that wins my isk... |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:08:00 -
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Lets see at the changes planned and then lets think how this could possibly hinder them to continue with WiS, if they felt committed:
Hybrid weapons balancing --> Takes some math genius as a ressource. Factional warfare --> mostly quest scripters I guess. Assault ships --> Math genius again. Capital ship balancing --> Mr Math again New T2 modules --> Some icon designer & Mr Math Starbase logistics management --> see above New EWAR-Drones --> see above T2 Rigs manufacturing --> see above Ship spinning --> done... New font --> done More captains quarters --> Done. These are the people working on Incarna and WOD. I highly doubt they need much time from the rest. Time dilation --> Genius progger and database admin.
So: Mainly it is probably about progress not being fast enough in the Incarna team. The rest is mostly an excuse.
Also, will the above really change much for FiS?
0.0 is supposed to be a lawless place were large groups of players can carve out their own empires and then defend them constantly. It should be a place where you're constantly at war and on your toes. Now... Will the above changes really change much to improve that feeling?
Low Sec is supposed to be a haven for pirates. Do I get extra-Tortuga feeling out of those changes?
Factional Warfare theoretically could be interesting. In the end I'm sure you get a few more missions and perhaps two stations or so.
The rest are small changes. |
DickbeardThePirate
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:09:00 -
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If you're more concerned about not getting WiS content then you are pleased by the promise of FiS improvements, I would like to kindly ask you to get out.
The future vision trailer was why I resubscribed to eve at the start of the year, but even I can see that that content is far far far less important then refining the game as it currently is. Hilmar's latest devblog has reassured me that I am not wasting my (or someone elses) money. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:12:00 -
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DickbeardThePirate wrote:If you're more concerned about not getting WiS content then you are pleased by the promise of FiS improvements, I would like to kindly ask you to get out.
The future vision trailer was why I resubscribed to eve at the start of the year, but even I can see that that content is far far far less important then refining the game as it currently is. Hilmar's latest devblog has reassured me that I am not wasting my (or someone elses) money.
Talking to me? If you would be able to read thoroughly, you would see that I think they could do both at the same time? |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:13:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:Lets see at the changes planned and then lets think how this could possibly hinder them to continue with WiS, if they felt committed:
Factional warfare --> mostly quest scripters I guess.
I could pick on a lot more but this alone shows up you have zero idea about what you're talking about.
When you genuinely don't have a clue its a lot more intelligent to keep silent than prove you have no idea at all.
Something you may want to consider in future - I would recommend it to you. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:19:00 -
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Yes, it is always funny to see the huge number of geniuses on this forum humbling me so efficiently. I will now crawl back into my cave, embarassed by all the genius your postings on this forum usually express. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:22:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:Yes, it is always funny to see the huge number of geniuses on this forum humbling me so efficiently. I will now crawl back into my cave, embarassed by all the genius your postings on this forum usually express.
Nobody genuinely in FW gives a toss about PVE.
The fact you don't know that but still feel the need to tell us all what you think requires doing in development terms speaks volumes.
Oh and sarcasm won't help. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:28:00 -
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I know what many of you want. You want meaningful FW, as in: Your actions will affect the game universe for other players and the FW players.
That would actually make me join you. But I doubt you get that on the scale you want it, sarcasm aside.
Also, it wasn't my point. My point was avatar and station designers will likely not be needed to improve FW and the other things on the list, so it is likely just an excuse by CCP because said avatar & station designers cannot deliver in time.
And I'm surprised: I thought next you'd tell me you are one of the thousands of game designers on this forum. Perhaps you are not as bad as I thought. |
Denaris Aschanna
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:30:00 -
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*sighs* Time to type my post again as the forum decided to eat the last one..
While it's a good thing that FiS is getting some love, I really, REALLY hope CCP finish Incarna first. I remember reading that the other CQ's and multiplayer establishments were just about finished, and I'd hate for WiS to be pushed by the wayside at the last minute and become just another unfinished feature. I, and a lot of other people, have been eagerly awaiting the time when we can finally climb out of our pods and stretch our legs.
I mean, FiS has had content since 2003! That's 8 YEARS of Spaceship content. Is it really that selfish to want WiS?
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