why do you need me to choose one?

shouldnt you have already done this?

What are you waiting for?

When you are asking the community for uncollateralized isk you should be 100% transparent from the get go.

ill make it easy for you, you choose the 3rd party and ill research their track record.

Grendell or Vaerah Vahrokha are both well known personalities in MD. I know VV did audits back in the day. Not sure if she still does or not.

If you just want to confirm my trading and its profitability that really shouldn't be that hard so both should be capable if they are willing to give it all a quick look.

you want them to take a quick look? i bet. I'm going to contact grendell about this.

Clamslayer,

As a small investor in this fund, I am worried about my ISK.
However, you came out of the blue,over eve-mail, accusing JVL of scamming you for 5B ISK.
No proof was given at the time.

So far, you have failed to provide any proof of said scam.
Untill then, your accusations remain just that, accusations.
You only refer to past scams, which can hardly be called factual evidence.

Untill then, JVL remains innocent.

As an aside, you have also claimed that Chorus Ambrye is running a scam with the NETCI IPO, for which no proof has been given (that I'm currently aware of).

So please, provide us with API details yourself, so we can verify your claims.
Hiding behind history does not cut it.

Ignore Eve history and invest more, because Josh is the one exception.

What makes Josh more trustworthy than the other past scammers Emma? You agree the history exists, what exactly has Josh done to prove he is legit?

You could take note from the "Best Answer" here

Ignore Eve history and invest more, because Josh is the one exception.

What makes Josh more trustworthy than the other past scammers Emma? You agree the history exists, what exactly has Josh done to prove he is legit?

You give this guy your isk with no collateral, and you are asking me for my API and not him for his? WTF???

Let me see:
First I receive a mail from you, where you claim Chorus Ambrye is running a scam with the NETCI IPO.
You give no specific amount.
Contacting Chorus Ambrye about this, a mailconversation between you and Chorus Ambrye is released to the NETCI mailing list.
In this conversation, you state that you invest 200M ISK, but you do so in the form of bounties.
Chorus Ambrye notifies you that this is not a valid form of investment.
Afterwards, you threaten him by putting bounties on his head.
You state that you are going to stop once you receive the sum of 5B ISK.

About 3-4 hours later, a mail is received claiming that JVL is running a scam, sender being yourself.
The wording in the first sentence is nearly the exact same as the NETCI mail, but you managed to add an extra sentence.
No amount of ISK is stated in your mail.
And here you are, claiming 5B ISK, again.

So yes, I am inclined to trust their words more than yours at this point in time.

^^^ All that really isnt relevant to our discussion. What is relevant is the FACT that whenever players with no track records of dealing with the community take isk without giving collateral it turns out to be a scam.

Eve history has shown this again and again.

^^^ All that really isnt relevant to our discussion. What is relevant is the FACT that whenever players with no track records of dealing with the community take isk without giving collateral it turns out to be a scam.

Eve history has shown this again and again.

Still waiting on that 3rd party.... I almost don't want you to find one since you provide me with SO MANY free bumps but you agreed to it and said you'd locate one so stop accusing and go find that person so that I can make you eat your words ;)

And your logic is flawed. Everyone who is given legitimacy in the community started somewhere and as Debra said not all uncollateralized bonds/offerings/etc are inherently scams.

You are the one that should be proving that you are legit, so what are you waiting for? Why are you not volunteering an audit?


Its clear to me why, you are no different than the other scammers in the past.

We never agreed to anything. I would like to see the API and run the numbers, but obviously you are not willing to do that. Since you are the one claiming to be legit, how about you put your money where your mouth is and release an API, or find a 3rd party to do an audit?

Please keep the personal attacks coming, my favorite part haha.

So let's recap. You tried to scam 5B from the fund, you've tried to claim I'm a scammer, you've agreed to a 3rd party and now claim you never did even though about a dozen people saw you last night in our lovely little group chat. You've got such a sad little view of reality...

Found a reputable member of the community to do an audit on me and confirm my active trading! Figure since clam can't hold up his end of the agreement I'll just what he was supposed to and have it done.

Molic Blackbird has agreed to perform an audit of my operations and has been sent full API account data on all three accounts, my spreadsheets and other relevant information so that he can properly perform the analysis. As it'll take a day or two to do a proper as it's not a small task to sift through the wall of text that'll appear from my daily transactions/market operations.