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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
685
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:06:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Andski wrote:TharOkha wrote:Andski wrote:Because it's a stupid "everybody wins" approach and CCP needs to stop with this welfare nonsense? of course. Because only nullsec and especialy Goons deserves to win, right?  Not really. Hisec players don't have to do, well, anything for the ability to take advantage of anything in hisec, short of grinding standings for missions. That's hardly comparable to anything that has to be done in nullsec to achieve, well, anything. CCP has ensured that the hisec players, who cannot stand a challenging game, receive what effectively amounts to welfare. They were given the incursion isk faucet, the removal of agent quality and the removal of drone compound drops. They were also given a new Crimewatch system that basically gives players a GCC for looting cans and wrecks. Yet you can only look at the nerfs while blatantly disregarding everything CCP has done to coddle hisec and ensure that your game is not challenging and that you do not need to interact with other players at any real scale in order to succeed. They understand the type of player you represent: those who simply want to start playing a game, get as much currency in the most passive way possible, and sell them all for real money when the next big thing comes out. Having to deal with non-consensual PvP, any need for player interaction or any real form of a challenge would break that deal. If you hate the game so much why don't you quit? If you do can I have your stuff?
He don't hate the game, he hate the Playa. and YOU is the playa, playa. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
685
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:07:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Andski wrote:Because it's a stupid "everybody wins" approach and CCP needs to stop with this welfare nonsense? of course. Because only nullsec and especialy Goons deserves to win, right?
And INIT, we get some damn win too, damn it.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:15:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Andski wrote:TharOkha wrote:Andski wrote:Because it's a stupid "everybody wins" approach and CCP needs to stop with this welfare nonsense? of course. Because only nullsec and especialy Goons deserves to win, right? Not really. Hisec players don't have to do, well, anything for the ability to take advantage of anything in hisec, short of grinding standings for missions. That's hardly comparable to anything that has to be done in nullsec to achieve, well, anything. CCP has ensured that the hisec players, who cannot stand a challenging game, receive what effectively amounts to welfare. They were given the incursion isk faucet, the removal of agent quality and the removal of drone compound drops. They were also given a new Crimewatch system that basically gives players a GCC for looting cans and wrecks. Yet you can only look at the nerfs while blatantly disregarding everything CCP has done to coddle hisec and ensure that your game is not challenging and that you do not need to interact with other players at any real scale in order to succeed. They understand the type of player you represent: those who simply want to start playing a game, get as much currency in the most passive way possible, and sell them all for real money when the next big thing comes out. Having to deal with non-consensual PvP, any need for player interaction or any real form of a challenge would break that deal. If you hate the game so much why don't you quit? If you do can I have your stuff?
Do you think we log in to play a ****** game? We love EVE, but we're tired of seeing a certain player base catered to while something that has been broken for several years is continually neglected.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:20:00 -
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Even if you buffed the null outposts it wouldn't be enough. The bears would get ripped to shreds by black operations, they'd whine en mass to the PvP side of the corp who'd get sick of the drama in no time.
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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
43
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:48:00 -
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I know,
Lets just remove isk from the game, it is the only possible solution  |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:52:00 -
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Doddy wrote:power creep, inflation, take yoru pick.
What do you mean?
The way I see it, only RMT dudes can be interested how much "isk" is worth. I find it funny and have a good rl laugh at those pathetic arguments about how much inflation/deflation there is in Eve and how important it seems to be for them.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
685
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:57:00 -
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Dracones wrote:Even if you buffed the null outposts it wouldn't be enough. The bears would get ripped to shreds by black operations, they'd whine en mass to the PvP side of the corp who'd get sick of the drama in no time.
Why the Operations gotta be black? |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
2329
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Posted - 2012.12.18 21:01:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Doddy wrote:power creep, inflation, take yoru pick. What do you mean? The way I see it, only RMT dudes can be interested how much "isk" is worth. I find it funny and have a good rl laugh at those pathetic arguments about how much inflation/deflation there is in Eve and how important it seems to be for them.
Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.12.18 22:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Doddy wrote:power creep, inflation, take yoru pick. What do you mean? The way I see it, only RMT dudes can be interested how much "isk" is worth. I find it funny and have a good rl laugh at those pathetic arguments about how much inflation/deflation there is in Eve and how important it seems to be for them. Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...
Oh yah, because we don't have ship reimbursement that goes so far as to cover goofing off in Syndicate, and tons of strategic POSes with all the fuel and LO needs, or dropping (relatively gimped) outposts.
Just because your alliance was run like crap by a bunch of back stabbing prima donnas doesn't mean all alliances are. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5524
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Posted - 2012.12.18 22:13:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Doddy wrote:power creep, inflation, take yoru pick. What do you mean? The way I see it, only RMT dudes can be interested how much "isk" is worth. I find it funny and have a good rl laugh at those pathetic arguments about how much inflation/deflation there is in Eve and how important it seems to be for them. Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...
it's not about income, Marlona, as you well know.
It's about providing activity for the average alliance member and a reason to hold space. So that there will be, you know, actually people out there in space doing stuff for your precious small gangs to interfere with.
Right now, can you offer a good reason to hold space other than flag-waving? Moongoo income doesn't depend on Sov in the slightest. You can protect towers while basing from NPC space. So what's worth doing in 0.0 other than sitting on a Titan being watched by covops from The Other GuysGäó whilst your covops watches them, each waiting for the other to make a mistake.
If you weren't trapped by your own rhetoric into closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears, you could have read Weasilor's fantastic articles on 0.0 development. What a pity you choose to make a fool of yourself instead.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
344
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Posted - 2012.12.18 22:14:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...
it's mittani, montolio, and mactep's fault that nullsec is a barren wasteland
fight the power |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1957
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Posted - 2012.12.18 22:55:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm... it's mittani, montolio, and mactep's fault that nullsec is a barren wasteland fight the power
The Mittani provides for us, I don't get what you're talking about.
The oddity is why have all the organization if you could just ~highsec~? But wait, EVE is all about playing alone, and we're just evil blobbers.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1460
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:12:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...
We kicked you out of Tribute with that ISK.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
AstraPardus
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:20:00 -
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If nullsec is a ghetto, then I live in Washington Heights. :3
Also, nullsec is already better than highsec, IMHO. <3
Every time I post is Pardy time! :3 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1957
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:23:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm... We kicked you out of Tribute with that ISK.
Oh, that's what caused the tears?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5829
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:48:00 -
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Tesal wrote:If you hate the game so much why don't you quit? If you do can I have your stuff?
No, I couldn't imagine letting the peasantry touch any of my stuff.
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
An idea for improving corp management |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5829
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:01:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...
lmao
funny seeing a bitter, poor ncdot talking about leaders pocketing tech isk
the irony
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
An idea for improving corp management |
Angang Ostus
The Riot Formation
Unclaimed.
8
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Posted - 2012.12.19 03:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:TharOkha wrote:Malcanis wrote:
that it's simply a waste of effort to try and build much stuff locally.
This being the case, why waste effort and resources building up and protecting local industry?
So? In real world its called outsourcing. If something is much cheaper to buy than produce it then buy it. Why do you nullseccers want so desperatedly isolate from the rest of the eve? It's not about "isolating". And it's doubtful that 0.0 would ever be completely isolated from hi-sec. What it's about is making 0.0 for activities other than smooshing red pluses and structure banging. It's about being able to build player designed, player run, player owned empires to match the NPC ones. It's about allowing people in 0.0 to enjoy the career options that hi-sec take for granted. It's about allowing people who want to interact with people, not with NPCs the opportunity to be builders as well as destroyers. I hope that's OK with you?
Here here!! This is the central point that I'm making too. People quibble about all kinds of things but I would like to hear the arguments against this. How can injecting new life into the game be bad for anyone? Adjustments are required any time you change things but this is worth it. I would love to know what devs think of this possible direction for the game, and if there are players out there that don't want changes made to make this possible, why? |
trited
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.12.19 04:21:00 -
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**** that I dont want anyone in null, more space to fly by my self. Hate seeing ppl in my space.... |
Angang Ostus
The Riot Formation
Unclaimed.
8
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Posted - 2012.12.19 04:21:00 -
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Lord Calus wrote:Nullsec is a ghetto because the emergent content that we the players create only extends to war and subterfuge. the actual mechanics of the game that we are forced to slog through to create that content are the worst parts of my day.
I hate shooting red crosses, and 0.01 isking people in Jita, and running sleeper sites.
I hate running reactions and mining and producing. But you can be sure that I prefer to do the mindless activities I hate in the nearly completely secure highsec systems I visit. And that is the source of the outrage that Nullsec residents have.
NULLSEC produces the gaming website headlines.
See, I bolded and underlined it because this is the factioid that you don't understand or want to see.
No website runs stories of the guy who AFK mines for 10 hours a day because it relaxes him. I would spit in the face of someone who told me to join a game because there was super cool missions to run over and over and over and over with the only purpose of buying a more expensive and kitted out ship to run missions faster over and over and over.
lmao!! I know! There have been so many times when i've been like why do I love this game so much? A large part of it is because of the community and what seems possible. Is that when one becomes a "bittervet"? When you get to the point where you realize we've already reached the limit of what we can create in the game?
Lord Calus wrote:So yeah, we have a vocal minority which is responsible for the majority of the press this game gets. I will not apologize to anyone for being a part of that minority, or feeling entitled. When a group that has created critical press and exposure for your game tells you for years things are broken, it is time to wise up and listen or expect an uprising.
This is that uprising.
Yes! Amen!! CCP has teams working on all these different things that they rolled out in Retribution. How bout a team working on new ways for players to channel their creativity and initiative into the game, new ways for players that have worked hard to build something real to develop it further. The real endgame content is to be part of the creation of a virtual world. CCP spent half a year doing what? Tweaking the AI, adding crimewatch, changing turret sounds, changing ship stats. Not even a hint of any changes that will allow players to create new emergant content or enable player-owned space to become more dynamic.
Are they done? Is this it? Have they run out of ideas? That would be a damn shame.
Are they holding off on any bigger picture changes because they're waiting to see how DUST can integrate? It's a FPS. It can be made to fit without changing its own content.
Are they afraid of losing control of the direction of the game if they allow null sec economies to become as viable as the high sec one? HTFU CCP and let us grow! Yes, certain parties will do their best to infect the process to take game breaking to it's ultimate heights. The game won't break. The majority of players will sincerely invest in the healthy growth of the game.
It seems to me that it has been implied from the beginning that eventually a player-owned, player-driven Empire space would emerge in nullsec from the efforts and imagination of players. It's implanted in the back of all of our minds that this is where the game is going. It's the natural outcome of what EVE is supposed to be about. If limitations have been set up that make that impossible or unfeasable it amounts to a betrayal on the part of CCP of the masses of devoted players who are hoping to be part of the process as the game continues to grow and expand to match the capacity, desire, and imagination of its players. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1961
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Posted - 2012.12.19 05:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm... lmao funny seeing a bitter, poor ncdot talking about leaders pocketing tech isk the irony
Ahahaha, oh right. Wait ~~ hahaha
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1491
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Posted - 2012.12.19 05:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Doddy wrote:power creep, inflation, take yoru pick. What do you mean? The way I see it, only RMT dudes can be interested how much "isk" is worth. I find it funny and have a good rl laugh at those pathetic arguments about how much inflation/deflation there is in Eve and how important it seems to be for them. Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm... it's not about income, Marlona, as you well know. It's about providing activity for the average alliance member and a reason to hold space. So that there will be, you know, actually people out there in space doing stuff for your precious small gangs to interfere with. Right now, can you offer a good reason to hold space other than flag-waving? Moongoo income doesn't depend on Sov in the slightest. You can protect towers while basing from NPC space. So what's worth doing in 0.0 other than sitting on a Titan being watched by covops from The Other GuysGäó whilst your covops watches them, each waiting for the other to make a mistake. If you weren't trapped by your own rhetoric into closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears, you could have read Weasilor's fantastic articles on 0.0 development. What a pity you choose to make a fool of yourself instead.
It's the new face of NCdot, don't you see?
-áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
210
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Posted - 2012.12.19 10:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:
They were given the incursion isk faucet, the removal of agent quality and the removal of drone compound drops.
As far as i know, incursion is not just hisec PvE. In fact low/null incursions pays much more. Agent quality removal hits all agents, not just those in hisec, and so on...
Quote:They were also given a new Crimewatch system that basically gives players a GCC for looting cans and wrecks.
So you are crying that players can shoot you after you commit a crime? Somehow the term "carebear" gets a different meaning by this. Also gate turrets will not shoot you if you attack another ships in lowsec now. You forgot to mention that.
Quote:Yet you can only look at the nerfs while blatantly disregarding everything CCP has done to coddle hisec and ensure that your game is not challenging and that you do not need to interact with other players at any real scale in order to succeed.
Thats just your misconception that there is no player interaction in hisec. Also PvP doesnt mean just shooting each other. And i mentioned in countless threads.
Quote:They understand the type of player you represent: Those who simply want to start playing a game, get as much currency in the most passive way possible, and sell them all for real money when the next big thing comes out.
Again its just your misconception that making isks in hisec is passive AFK activity. Or do you want to convince me that certain players are multi billionaires just by mining ice while they are AFK? 
Quote:Having to deal with non-consensual PvP, any need for player interaction or any real form of a challenge would break that deal
You are just using fallacy. None of your statements are true and its just your disorted point of view on hisec.
GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
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