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Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1441	Posted - 2012.12.18 07:32:00 - [31] - Quote Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. I have a great idea to make mining more interactive. Module cannot auto repeat =1 It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1950	Posted - 2012.12.18 07:42:00 - [32] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. I have a great idea to make mining more interactive. Module cannot auto repeat =1 It's like you're making the game even more terrible. ^___^ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Max Godsnottlingson Bitter Veterans 39	Posted - 2012.12.18 07:45:00 - [33] - Quote Zero Audier wrote: Hold it! I would love to have something TO do when I mine, but the way it stands, I just sit here, and watch lasers spin. As far as solutions go, I really have no clue. A mini game is out of the question, but really what else is there? Well at work I can get reams of paperwork done, I save a couple of big fat juicy roids for when I have to go into meetings and the like. At home I get my laundery done, some household chores and even cook while the mining lasers are burning. There's loads for miners to do when digging
Mr Pragmatic 189	Posted - 2012.12.18 09:14:00 - [34] - Quote I go on the forums and post the truth about the superiority of Hi Sec. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged.-á
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 2317	Posted - 2012.12.18 09:19:00 - [35] - Quote sYnc Vir wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. Mining rewards those with the focus to not get bored 30 minutes in. If CCP really wanted to stop AFK mining they simply need to change 1 and only 1 thing. Remove auto repeat for Mining Turrents so the player has to activate them every cycle. Job Done. This mini game crap people want is stupid. Its mining. Its meant to be fcuking boring. Either do it or don't. Two posts with little knowledge. Making turrets not auto-repeat would: - break the game design that makes turrets auto-repeat. - exclusively and only boost botting BY A LOT. Because making something stupidly tedious and boring even more tedious and boring augments botting and that's it and it always been like that. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1443	Posted - 2012.12.18 09:25:00 - [36] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: sYnc Vir wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. Mining rewards those with the focus to not get bored 30 minutes in. If CCP really wanted to stop AFK mining they simply need to change 1 and only 1 thing. Remove auto repeat for Mining Turrents so the player has to activate them every cycle. Job Done. This mini game crap people want is stupid. Its mining. Its meant to be fcuking boring. Either do it or don't. Two posts with little knowledge. Making turrets not auto-repeat would: - break the game design that makes turrets auto-repeat. - exclusively and only boost botting BY A LOT. Because making something stupidly tedious and boring even more tedious and boring augments botting and that's it and it always been like that. It wouldn't break the game design at all. It would also not exclusively boost botting. What it would do is encourage miners to actually play the game & make it less boring. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Terrorfrodo GNADE Inc. 294	Posted - 2012.12.18 09:36:00 - [37] - Quote Zero Audier wrote: A mini game is out of the question, but really what else is there? Why is it out of the question? It's exactly what mining needs. All those PvE activities that are now a matter of warp in, start a module (gun or mining laser, not much difference), drag some items every few minutes are no game content at all. They should all be transformed into interesting minigames. Those minigames could be very different, after all there are lots of different PvE activities GÇô now only different in name; missions, mining, hacking, analyzing, those are just names, the actual activity is hardly different at all. Hacking could be radically different in nature from analyzing, for example the one could be a logic game while the other requires good memory and pattern recognition abilities. Other games could require dexterity and a quick trigger finger. .
Dave stark 819	Posted - 2012.12.18 09:53:00 - [38] - Quote Zero Audier wrote: Hold it! I would love to have something TO do when I mine, but the way it stands, I just sit here, and watch lasers spin. As far as solutions go, I really have no clue. A mini game is out of the question, but really what else is there? sure you'd like something to do while mining. however the rest of us with more than one account don't want something more to do while mining. however if ccp want to turn mining in to a mini game that effectively stops one person mining with several accounts at the same time being viable then prepare for a spike in mineral prices, leading to a spike in everything prices and a lot of canceled accounts where those extra miners simply aren't needed any more. this is the problem with making mining more "interactive", not to mention the only really "interactive" thing you could do with mining is turning it in to some terrible quicktime event. changing crystals is enough interaction for me. besides, if you think i'm going to sit at my keyboard playing a quicktime event for the **** poor isk/hour mining offers, you're insane. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Dave stark 819	Posted - 2012.12.18 09:55:00 - [39] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. I have a great idea to make mining more interactive. Module cannot auto repeat =1 welcome to high sec mining, were asteroids contain less ore than your lasers harvest in one cycle. guess you got your wish this christmas. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1445	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:12:00 - [40] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. I have a great idea to make mining more interactive. Module cannot auto repeat =1 welcome to high sec mining, were asteroids contain less ore than your lasers harvest in one cycle. guess you got your wish this christmas. I guess you've never been to an ice field. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.

Dave stark 819	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:16:00 - [41] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Dave stark wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. I have a great idea to make mining more interactive. Module cannot auto repeat =1 welcome to high sec mining, were asteroids contain less ore than your lasers harvest in one cycle. guess you got your wish this christmas. I guess you've never been to an ice field. sure i have. however ice is worth less than not logging in since the barge changes. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Beckie DeLey Living From Scraps 192	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:16:00 - [42] - Quote If you think it's boring, then don't mine. Leave it to those that play EVE to socialize. They can bear the mining because they can chat each other up in corp channels. Nobody's forcing you to mine. It's boring. It's not meant to be done alone. Don't AFK. Just do something else. You can do whatever the hell you want in this game, why pick the boring stuff? So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
Sentamon 381	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:17:00 - [43] - Quote Turn of auto-repeat?! Do you guys sell bots for EVE or just hate life? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
leoplusma Delfus Inc. HumAnnoyeD 22	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:22:00 - [44] - Quote first of all, ccp has a december offer with 50% discount if someone wants to make a new alt account. which states among others that you can make an alt for your mining endeavours. so ccp really likes it the way it is. secondly, mining in high sec is like sugar (sweeeet) either u like it, either u dont, or the doctor has given specific orders :p so if someone doesnt like mining in high sec... thank Jovians, Eve has so many other things to do, why do u moan? for me, mining in high sec is mind relaxing and also time to hang out with my many friends in many eve chat channels... :) kisses fly strange leo
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1446	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:27:00 - [45] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Dave stark wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. I have a great idea to make mining more interactive. Module cannot auto repeat =1 welcome to high sec mining, were asteroids contain less ore than your lasers harvest in one cycle. guess you got your wish this christmas. I guess you've never been to an ice field. sure i have. however ice is worth less than not logging in since the barge changes. Yet thousands of miners do it all over highsec because: undock, warp to ice, press butan, come back in 30 minutes. Mining turrets not auto-repeating probably wouldn't affect ore miners all that much, but it would bring the interaction to the game that many miners so desperately desire. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Dave stark 819	Posted - 2012.12.18 10:37:00 - [46] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Yet thousands of miners do it all over highsec because: undock, warp to ice, press butan, come back in 30 minutes. Mining turrets not auto-repeating probably wouldn't affect ore miners all that much, but it would bring the interaction to the game that many miners so desperately desire. i won't deny that ice mining probably needs looking at. the real difference between ore mining and ice mining is the fact that you can be truly afk and go and take the dog for a walk, head to the shop, whatever. at least with ore mining you're going to have to tab back every cycle or two to restart your lasers which isn't much of an issue for players like me who just watch tv while mining. on the other hand, with ice prices being so **** poor, does it really matter if some one is making 8m/hour ice mining? pretty sure most PI probably beats that (not that i'd know, i've never done PI) but it's hardly the only source of passive income in the game. if players are really that against ice miners being so afk; go and shoot them, bump them, whatever. anyway let's face it, the only reason ice mining is so afkable is the new barge changes which ended up wide of the mark, however ccp are perfectly happy with king mackinaw and all other mining ships still being obsolete according to their dev blog so the chance of seeing any change to mining is about as likely as the mayan prediction being correct. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 757	Posted - 2012.12.18 11:12:00 - [47] - Quote Skydell wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: You seem to be homogonizing ice mining, and ore mining. And you seem to think there is a difference. It takes 30 minutes to fill a Mackinaw with ore You are doing it wrong...it takes much, much less time than that (around 10 mins). Unless of course there's no one boosting you, which means you're just wasting your time anyway.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 99	Posted - 2012.12.18 11:17:00 - [48] - Quote sYnc Vir wrote: Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. Mining rewards those with the focus to not get bored 30 minutes in. If CCP really wanted to stop AFK mining they simply need to change 1 and only 1 thing. Remove auto repeat for Mining Turrents so the player has to activate them every cycle. Job Done. This mini game crap people want is stupid. Its mining. Its meant to be fcuking boring. Either do it or don't. Believe it or not, on the "I don't feel like doing anything but mine" days, I do this on perpose. Why, you ask? Simple, cause my OCD makes me sick and tired of my strip miners not properly ending cycle on a depleted roid (weird, I know, but it drives me bat-**** insane sometimes). The cap use from overcycling also means I have to give it a moment before hitting the next roid or my hardeners might shut off.
Ttochpej Orbital Horizons University Peregrine Nation 1	Posted - 2012.12.18 12:32:00 - [49] - Quote Things to do while mining Scan asteroids so you can stop lasers and don't wast a full cycle. Scan asteroids so you can stop lasers when asteroid is almost depleted leaving a belt full of hollow asteroids. Take an armor repping drone and repair other drones. Update your skill queue. Take a salvage drone and salvage other wreaks in the belt. fit a scan prob launcher and scan out the system. check the market and update orders. Try and figure out if manufacturing ____ is profitable. Read bio's of other players in local. Read the internet. Try and figure out a Battle fit for the orca. go afk and get RL stuff done. I though the entire idea of half the stuff in eve was that it is a game you can still play when you don't have enough time to play games. That is why there is Skill training in real time, mining, manufacturing, research, inventing, PI, playing the market, aft hauling, etc...
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 122	Posted - 2012.12.18 13:30:00 - [50] - Quote Used to mine alot then as time goes by my ass grew a trigger switch on it it, after a cycle or two I fall asleep.

Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 2318	Posted - 2012.12.18 13:35:00 - [51] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: It wouldn't break the game design at all. It would also not exclusively boost botting. What it would do is encourage miners to actually play the game & make it less boring. Stick to your nullsec knowledge, because you don't have any of it regarding hi sec nor mining. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1450	Posted - 2012.12.18 13:46:00 - [52] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: It wouldn't break the game design at all. It would also not exclusively boost botting. What it would do is encourage miners to actually play the game & make it less boring. Stick to your nullsec knowledge, because you don't have any of it regarding hi sec nor mining. Funny that since I spend all of my time not grinding sec status in highsec & I mined for a solid year. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Johan Civire Dirty Curse inc. 242	Posted - 2012.12.18 15:57:00 - [53] - Quote Zero Audier wrote: Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining. not afk what i do i use the main screen i have eve open mining on the sec screen i have a movie running and on the thirt screen a use to read or watch youtube or do some wiki reading. So no its not afk its more like a job for watching politieman if everything go right in eve. Thats all.
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 19	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:16:00 - [54] - Quote i usually watch neil degrasse tyson videos on youtube while i mine and you should too
Bing Bangboom Ded End Damage Inc. United Sytems Against Terrorist Opperations 51	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:24:00 - [55] - Quote In New Order systems, afk miners get interactive game play. In fact, all miners get interactive game play. I know we Agents are not the most popular fellows in Eve but at least you can't (safely) not be around while ice mining when we (and the Knights of the New Order) are present. Its not boring in Kamio and Halaima these days. This is how afk mining could be affected. The need to be present combined with someone giving you something to do. Eve at its finest. www.minerbumping.com Highsec is worth fighting for. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1954	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:30:00 - [56] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: In New Order systems, afk miners get interactive game play. In fact, all miners get interactive game play. I know we Agents are not the most popular fellows in Eve but at least you can't (safely) not be around while ice mining when we (and the Knights of the New Order) are present. Its not boring in Kamio and Halaima these days. This is how afk mining could be affected. The need to be present combined with someone giving you something to do. Eve at its finest. www.minerbumping.com Highsec is worth fighting for. Player driven content? This needs a nerf, now. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1456	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:38:00 - [57] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: In New Order systems, afk miners get interactive game play. In fact, all miners get interactive game play. I know we Agents are not the most popular fellows in Eve but at least you can't (safely) not be around while ice mining when we (and the Knights of the New Order) are present. Its not boring in Kamio and Halaima these days. This is how afk mining could be affected. The need to be present combined with someone giving you something to do. Eve at its finest. www.minerbumping.com Highsec is worth fighting for. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable How dare you bring your non-consensual player interaction to my single player game! I shall petition you with my 18 accounts. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Jason13 Anzomi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:40:00 - [58] - Quote The issue has nothing to do with "afk mining" since you honestly can't ignore your mining. While you might be able to switch windows for a few moments or go hit the head, you can't go afk totally. If you do, you'll first lose your drones followed by losing your ship. The NPC's now target your drones first and they vanish quickly. Once the drones are gone, your ship will quickly follow them. Even if you're ice mining, you're going to have to pay some attention to your ship. Then there's the switching to new asteroids when the old ones deplete. If you don't, your ship is sitting there doing nothing. And most high sec asteroids are only good for 1-3 cycles before depleting. No, the issue is not "afk mining" but rather the fact that too many Eve players are addicted to anger. They need someone to vent their anger on either by ranting about their play style being different in some way, or shooting at defenseless ships, or shooting at new players with minimal skills, or just smack talking (in game and in forums). If someone wants to pay a subscription to mine, so what? If they want to pay a subscription to shoot ships, so what? This is a free form game where you're allowed to do what you want and both the developers and GM's understand this. Unfortunately many of the players do not understand this simply point. If someone is doing something different from you, either shoot them or ignore them. It makes no difference to me if you dislike my play style, or rant at me about ruining the game in some way, or smack talking me in the hopes that I'll give you kill rights on me. You do your thing and I'll do mine. Of course that usually means I'll Block you so I don't have to listen to you. But you still have the right to smack talk even if I've put a Block on you. Sometimes I mine and eventually get bored enough to go find something else to do. Sometimes I'll even mine ice if I'm busy researching something about skills or something else. And sometimes I do missioning, or exploration, or ... You see, I pay to play a game and I want to enjoy it however I want to play it. I certainly have no desire to pay to play how you want me to play it! When you pay for my subscription, I promise to never mine again. In the meantime, please feel free to continue to rant about the price of tea in China.
Dave stark 820	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:42:00 - [59] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: i usually watch neil degrasse tyson videos on youtube while i mine and you should too But, this is the most important video you'll ever see... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Dave stark 820	Posted - 2012.12.18 16:44:00 - [60] - Quote Jason13 Anzomi wrote: you can't go afk totally. If you do, you'll first lose your drones followed by losing your ship. The NPC's now target your drones first and they vanish quickly oh god. my sides. they hurt. oh the pain. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.



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