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Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:18:00 -
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Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever
but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile"
I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then?
just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? |
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:20:00 -
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completely cynical kinda sums it up.
Edit: If you can't feel even a little bit of hope, then yes cynical. But why be bitter? Isn't that the silliest thing you could do. It does more damage to you and those around you if you're nothing but bitter. |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:24:00 -
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Jason1138 wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't believe a word of Hilmar's blog?
No. |
Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:32:00 -
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"But why be bitter? "
because the people who run this game have a track record of lying to the subscriber base about future development and the current state of the game, while at the same time treating said subscriber base with contempt and indifference? |
Belloche
The Dark Tribe
Checkmate.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:42:00 -
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You are not alone in the thinking that Lucy will take the football away at the last second just like she has done all the other times she has promised not to. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:50:00 -
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With that blog, metaphorically speaking, he's actually putting a knife to his throat.
If he doesn't follow through, the community backlash (and reputation hit) will create an even bigger shitstorm (like never before) ... so it's really in his interest to make it happen 
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:54:00 -
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To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"...
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Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:56:00 -
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"If he doesn't follow through, the community backlash (and reputation hit) will create an even bigger shitstorm (like never before) ... so it's really in his interest to make it happen"
you'd think that, wouldn't you. you'd also think it'd be in their interests to release the next wave of t3's in less than 4 years, or to have a viable FW option, or for lowsec to have a point to it, or for PI to work properly, or for CQ to launch with more than 1 racial type and with more than 4 things in the closet and with more than 1 room for you to go into
so... |
MORZAG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:56:00 -
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No.
I and everyone else wants to believe, but the apology was around 3 months too late.
This happened because the daily PCU is approaching 2008 levels. My sub will still run out sometime in November, they have a lot to prove if they want to change that. |
Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:56:00 -
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So why don't you leave? idgi |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:58:00 -
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weather i believe it is irrelevant, im waiting for winter expansion before i make my judgement. but for now, im happy with what was said. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:59:00 -
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I think your cynicism is justified.
His track record leads straight to . . .Iceland? Oh, wait. There's another word for that.
Mittens is dead. Prove otherwise. Even when alive his/her ass and mouth must have gotten mixed up somehow. |
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:01:00 -
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Jason1138 wrote:"But why be bitter? "
because the people who run this game have a track record of lying to the subscriber base about future development and the current state of the game, while at the same time treating said subscriber base with contempt and indifference?
What you do with your life is your choice. You choose to be bitter about it. They aren't forcing you to be like that.
Keep moping about if you wish. I'd know who I'd rather spend time with. someone who is happy.
If you want people to fix things and make it better doing a big turd on the carpet isn't the right way to go about it. Everyone will look at the mess and go "yeah that's wonderful". it'd be nice if everyone just gets back to the game and stop looking at the mess on the ground. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:02:00 -
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Ron Bacardi wrote:So why don't you leave? idgi
Because instead of speaking with their money, a lot of people around here just like speaking. And despite what people like to think, only the former really matters at the end of the day. |
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:16:00 -
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Waiting to see what happens wont kill you.
Most the things I do in game haven't changed since I started playing. Do I think getting down about it will make it better? I could pull my finger out and do something about it. But I wouldn't write a forum post about how I don't believe anything I hear anymore.
What are you trying to get out of this? Do you just want some sympathy? |
Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:17:00 -
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^ i canceled all my subs, i'm just waiting for the time to run out
i'm not sure "leaving" before the subs run out would accomplish anything. if someone can show me it does i'll be glad to go |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:30:00 -
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The rest of us wouldn't have to read your annoying flouncy little "look at me I am a cynical cry baby" posts anymore.
That would be pretty great. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:50:00 -
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I'm not sure he told us much about the game and a plan.. they still don't have a plan or a budget to come up with ways to lure people into small scale pvp situations.... they have wormhole and incursion mechancs that they could slap together in an amalgam and start itterating on until after a few months of throwing crap against the wall they get something good (i'm all for failing frequently and only counting successes.. but you'll have a lot more sucesses if you arent' afraid to keep trying things)
BUT
I said i a few times in the last few debacles. I believe the man was sick. And I don't mean that in a trolling way at all.
When you've live longer in the world, you get to see friends and colleagues sometimes implode... and its sad.
Often times something close to substance abuse, marital problems, but often more than that. I wouldn't rule out a bi-polar manic state.
The company was making certain decisions in an eratic manner.. contradicting themselves at times,,, and being forced to circle wagons on some things they knew themselves mad no sense (which has got to be demorlizing internally.. forced to dish **** to people you're friends with and respect ... that would suck)
There was someone at the top alternatively slamming the accelrator to the floor, then the brakes.. well i'll stop .. dont' have the time for good analogies.
I read a lot between the lines. His use of certain words.. the word "hubris" was a start... but there was more apology to his employees in there too ... when you mention two different things in one breath the two things put side by side often say a thrid and forth by implication.
I got the sense of a pretty intense self awareness of some wrecks he caused to other people's lives (and I'm not talking us customers in a lost my Loki sort of way).
I truly think he was mentally unstable.. hopefully it was just a stupid mid life crisis stage.. but those can wreak some havoc people around you.. spouses relaitves, colateral damages to kids ..etc. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:51:00 -
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To answer the OP's question, I think he is forced to do something different, but how it plays out, that is another story.
Grey Stormshadow wrote:To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"...
*Slurp* |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:29:00 -
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I am "watching what they do, not what they say." This character was offered a 5 day free trial, so I activated it. Mostly to poast in GD. |
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:35:00 -
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you're not alone... the guy is so full of it... he should step down... |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:36:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:I'm not sure he told us much about the game and a plan.. they still don't have a plan or a budget to come up with ways to lure people into small scale pvp situations.... they have wormhole and incursion mechancs that they could slap together in an amalgam and start itterating on until after a few months of throwing crap against the wall they get something good (i'm all for failing frequently and only counting successes.. but you'll have a lot more sucesses if you arent' afraid to keep trying things)
BUT
I said i a few times in the last few debacles. I believe the man was sick. And I don't mean that in a trolling way at all.
When you've live longer in the world, you get to see friends and colleagues sometimes implode... and its sad.
Often times something close to substance abuse, marital problems, but often more than that. I wouldn't rule out a bi-polar manic state.
The company was making certain decisions in an eratic manner.. contradicting themselves at times,,, and being forced to circle wagons on some things they knew themselves mad no sense (which has got to be demorlizing internally.. forced to dish **** to people you're friends with and respect ... that would suck)
There was someone at the top alternatively slamming the accelrator to the floor, then the brakes.. well i'll stop .. dont' have the time for good analogies.
I read a lot between the lines. His use of certain words.. the word "hubris" was a start... but there was more apology to his employees in there too ... when you mention two different things in one breath the two things put side by side often say a thrid and forth by implication.
I got the sense of a pretty intense self awareness of some wrecks he caused to other people's lives (and I'm not talking us customers in a lost my Loki sort of way).
I truly think he was mentally unstable.. hopefully it was just a stupid mid life crisis stage.. but those can wreak some havoc people around you.. spouses relaitves, colateral damages to kids ..etc.
TL;DR: I think Hilmar is crazy and/or unstable because CCP made a lot of decisions that I feel are completely random. 
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:37:00 -
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I'm a pretty cynical and misanthropic kind of guy, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy. That isn't to say I trust the leadership yet, I see this as a relationship that has been violated and trust has to be rebuilt. This could be considered a start at least, but you know that we are all watching for what happens next.
Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:38:00 -
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Jason1138 wrote:you'd think that, wouldn't you. you'd also think it'd be in their interests to release the next wave of t3's in less than 4 years, or to have a viable FW option, or for lowsec to have a point to it, or for PI to work properly, or for CQ to launch with more than 1 racial type and with more than 4 things in the closet and with more than 1 room for you to go into so...
EVE as a whole, is much greater than the trivial things you'd listed. Whatever you see now, however annoying, works to a certain degree.
Yes, it'll make a lot of people happy if they fixed the glaring issues that has been languishing for years, but what really matters in this case, is CCP's focus.
The real beef is their ungodly focus and questionable decisions regarding Incarna that got people up in arms for the past 2 years. The signs of trouble were already brewing and it was waiting to explode - which it did. Hilmar's blog, is more or less a statement saying that he recognizes that (the under-developed) Incarna must take a back-seat to polishing/enhancing the core EVE gameplay (FiS is really a misnomer). From this point on, it'll take time to re-tool their works and hopefully, we should start seeing something positive in the core gameplay for the Winter expansion ... however small.
What initially pulls subscription and people is a better gameplay (not bling blings). With improved gameplay, the sandbox will get more intrigue, more happenings, more drama, more interesting things to do or aim for - in other words, it keeps the community alive ... and growing. Incarna (at current iteration) is anti-thesis to the wellbeing of the community. Without the community, there is NO EVE - it's just an empty server called Tranquility. This should be drilled into the minds of the management folks at CCP when they make certain decisions.
If you feel like unsubscribing, go ahead. Long time regular players have learned to adapt to the ebb and flow of EVE, keeping the skilling up.
You never know when you'd be pulled back  |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:49:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Diomedes Calypso wrote:I'm..etc. TL;DR: I think Hilmar is crazy and/or unstable because CCP made a lot of decisions that I feel are completely random.
Random in a way that didnt' fit how they did things in the past.
Random in a way that put many employees in a bad spot.
Random in a way unchracteristic of some-one who previously made very rational decisions.
Read his own words.. they were about personality failures not simple buisness misjudgements.
I actually think is business judgements weren't all that bad if they'd been done in a more stable fashion...he says that and he's right...he's looking back to what he did right and wrong and he hadn't lost his long term vision nor his business savy to look to the future.
... it just got wreckless , navigating wtih blinders and ear muff on and a wicked scent of some thing waiting at some finish line. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.07 05:01:00 -
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Actually, as i mentioned in simlar posts 6 months ago, sometimes the pressure of something like a severe medical condition or tradegy befalling a family member can initiate a reactionary state similar to the emotional crisis due to internal illnesses mostly unrelated to external events (sa, bi-polar, mid life crisis, philandering, ... and a laundry list of vices that can take a life of their own)
And I don't always think I'm right. I hypothosize then vet a theory.
If someone who knew the guy for 20 years said that Himlar had been the same guy tover the last 18 months that they had always known, treated people around him, and himself the way he always had before... I'd stand corrected. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.10.07 05:06:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:Actually, as i mentioned in simlar posts 6 months ago, sometimes the pressure of something like a severe medical condition or tradegy befalling a family member can initiate a reactionary state similar to the emotional crisis due to internal illnesses mostly unrelated to external events (sa, bi-polar, mid life crisis, philandering, ... and a laundry list of vices that can take a life of their own)
And I don't always think I'm right. I hypothosize then vet a theory.
If someone who knew the guy for 20 years said that Himlar had been the same guy tover the last 18 months that they had always known, treated people around him, and himself the way he always had before... I'd stand corrected.
Spell checker please. |
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 05:10:00 -
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That's a fairly complicated situation you're describing. Simple answers are dismissed cause they are too easy. Why it happened isn't that important, but how they fix it is.
You know the old saying: "Focus on the solution, not the problem". |
Lakhthaar
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Posted - 2011.10.07 05:13:00 -
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Just wait and see what happens. No point in worrying too much about tomorrow. It will be here soon enough.
I will say though, if his letter to us is nothing but lip service, he's a shoe-in for the intergalactic douche bag hall of fame. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.07 05:15:00 -
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non judgement wrote:That's a fairly complicated situation you're describing. Simple answers are dismissed cause they are too easy. Why it happened isn't that important, but how they fix it is.
Its important on a human sense because people might witness similar patterns in people they have around them in the future and instead of getting pissed off, or thinking the person is a douche, they might get together with other people the person knows and try some sort of encounter or something to try to stop the damage.
If people aren't aware how those things pan out in life, they won't be prepared to help people in the future.
Thats why i bring it up.
And yes, I've had some personal experience with people around me affected by the diseases i desribed.
People can help |
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