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Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 127	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:16:00 - [31] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: i'm not sure "leaving" before the subs run out would accomplish anything. if someone can show me it does i'll be glad to go Peak Concurrent User metric. If you cancel your recurring subscription but keep playing, to CCP that only means that you're planning to keep paying using PLEX (which is better for them because it earns them more money). So if you're quitting, cancel your subscription and quit playing. Send a letter to CCP, make sure you take their exit survey and let them know why you quit. Don't keep playing, don't keep posting on the forums, stop being active at all and show them that you are actually quitting and not just storming off to the pub to have a drink with your mates before coming back to cop more of the same.
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN 202	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:29:00 - [32] - Quote Sturmwolke wrote: With that blog, metaphorically speaking, he's actually putting a knife to his throat. If he doesn't follow through, the community backlash (and reputation hit) will create an even bigger shitstorm (like never before) ... so it's really in his interest to make it happen Oh cool, we can say shitstorm. I wonder if we can still say bukkake.
mkint 124	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:57:00 - [33] - Quote If you go with the relationship analogy, my bags are still packed. I'm still looking for somewhere else to go. If something else comes up, I'm probably out the door. Does that make me a bad person?
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 95	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:00:00 - [34] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? It's ok... it's ok.. come here. /me holds OP head in my broad sholders. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:07:00 - [35] - Quote mkint wrote: If you go with the relationship analogy, my bags are still packed. I'm still looking for somewhere else to go. If something else comes up, I'm probably out the door. Does that make me a bad person? No. It means you like long goodbyes. Why bother wasting your time here when you could be somewhere else having heaps of fun?
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 95	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:08:00 - [36] - Quote non judgement wrote: mkint wrote: If you go with the relationship analogy, my bags are still packed. I'm still looking for somewhere else to go. If something else comes up, I'm probably out the door. Does that make me a bad person? No. It means you like long goodbyes. Why bother wasting your time here when you could be somewhere else having heaps of fun? World of Tanks? PERPETUUM ONLINE?! Hah.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 54	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:09:00 - [37] - Quote Well, it's really immaterial whether one believes it or not. What such a statement does is commit the author to actions. If these actions are carried out speaks for itself. It's like when you kept promising your parents you really would be in by 10 "next time." They didn't believe you either. They watched the clock, then the door. If you didn't come striding in at ten, so much for that song. Another way to look at it is, Hilmar admitted to a lot of mistakes, faults and shortcomings. Making such things public is not what corporations normally do. Normally they pretend something isn't there, that complaints are from the fringe few, and then they do what they want regardless. I tend to believe Hilmar because he did go out on a limb with his admissions. I'm not one who requires apologies from people. No "cool kid" does. It's not that I don't believe them. It's that I don't need someone humbling themselves to me to make me feel okay. In the end, as we're all supposed to know, talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. It's just that all this text looks so neat on this forum I can't resist pounding the keys as a form of digital nailbiting. tl;dr Prove to me you're as honest as your standard for others, then I'll worry about whom you believe...or not. To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate.
Sebastian N Cain Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:10:00 - [38] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? Clearly bittervet. You know, a cynic would immediately realize that the community is in most cases equally full of %&(&. Take a look at the forums. People are good at whining around and that-¦s it. "You either need less science fiction or more medication." "Or less medication and more ammo!"
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 6	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:19:00 - [39] - Quote I'd give the blog a passing grade. A solid D. It kinda reminds me of this Do I believe that Hilmar's motives for writing it were pure (i.e. that he truly feels awful for ******* over his long-time customers)? No. Do I believe that subscription numbers plummeting have convinced him to allocate more resources to FiS? Yes, but I could be wrong. Nothing CCP does surprises me anymore. I'm disappointed that the word 'sandbox' doesn't appear once in the blog. Nor a personal apology to CSM V, whose hard work was all for naught and who were completely ignored/dismissed. The blog was very late and very flawed. But it has its good bits and is marginally better than nothing.
Zarutha The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance 30	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:34:00 - [40] - Quote I really enjoy this game, there is no other mmo that has kept me subbed like Eve. Reading his post, I felt it was from the heart. It also felt polished by a publicist or two, but still the sentiment was there.

Rex Garvin The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:17:00 - [41] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? Whats thier to believe. He says nothing about changing anything. He only says hes sorry.
Mallikanth Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance 15	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:24:00 - [42] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? While I understand your skepticism (to put it politely) It is an important and necessary step. Of course words always have to be backed up with actions and that's what we all wait for - and not just in the next expansion but form here onwards. Trust, once lost is impossible to get back fully. However, I live in hope that he will be true to his word and no amount of tinhat wearing will change the matter (and may only make things worse). Believe in what they do, not what they say.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:29:00 - [43] - Quote Because of the difficult economic climate, I have downgraded my expectations of CCP from "pioneering" to "surviving". I'm even more cynical than the OP: I think the FiS plan requires less dev time than the WiS establishments plan (that has been stalled for now).
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 85	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:30:00 - [44] - Quote I am wondering what you people actually want I mean yes incarnia and the nex shop and other things was indeed something of a wrong marketing call on CCP s side And they admitted this now they outline a path of ideas and improvements they working on that has been asked by the playerbase for a looong time and you are still complaining Make up your mind , either stop playing and posting , more place for other people Or just stop whinning Goons Delenda Est I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 75	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:37:00 - [45] - Quote Eh, what is there to believe? Hilmar said it himself, "actions speak louder than words". Whether Hilmar and CCP decide to live up to it, is a different matter entirely and if you feel enough is enough, you as a consumer have that power to vote with your wallet. Neither I or the community will stop you and nor is CCP. Go ahead. I for one still manage to have fun when I play EVE regardless of monocles, inane "$1000 designer jeans" statements or apologetic blogs by the CEO of a game developer and what is what counts, right? GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 156	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:42:00 - [46] - Quote I believe Hilmars words as much as I believe the stripper at the strip club down the street. She talks a good game, but in the end all she cares about is the money.
Just Another Toon University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:44:00 - [47] - Quote losing 20,000 people from the concurrent number, probably had something to do with the change of mind as well... That would make anyone stand up and listen..even if they are not sincere..to be honest i think the years of 'we are not listening to you' attitude has taken its toll and ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..
Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:50:00 - [48] - Quote Oh I believe. I believe that he feels sorry for his wallet which is getting thinner each month. I also believe that he must be quite emotional about this.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 75	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:50:00 - [49] - Quote Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/
Just Another Toon University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:56:00 - [50] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..

Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 75	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:57:00 - [51] - Quote Just Another Toon wrote: Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money... Nah. The game still lags in fights :P GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/
Just Another Toon University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:01:00 - [52] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money... Nah. The game still lags in fights :P Cant disagree with ya there...
Kryss Darkdust Darkdust Industries Empire 17	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:11:00 - [53] - Quote I believe a few things about this devblog. Hilmar loves Eve, its his baby and anyone who has ever had a baby for a project knows that when it starts to fail or become discredited in anyway you take it personally and regardless of it was or wasn't your fault you hold yourself accountable. Its essentially an admission that ya "I **** this up" and a promise "I will do better". Its just words of course but the first step in any process in which something positive comes out of something negatives requires you to actually admit that something was negative. Until you actually do that, you are still blind to the reasons for your failures. Its a hard thing to do and for a CEO to do it publicly is kind of unheard of actually. At least to my knowledge. I also believe that he will act, but actions always take longer than the initial intent. Development projects are long and dreary process even when making games. As a mangager of people the only thing he can do is motivate them, assign them work and critique the work. As much as managers would like to do it themselves, their at the mercy of the people working for him. As such his actions to re-assign resources, assign tasks and get things moving is effectively all "he" can do. The rest is up to the team and the team needs time. The only real question is what will the result be and while we can speculate based on past records in the end the only thing that matters at this moment is that we are once again moving ** in the right direction. To me this whole thing is a positive move and while I'm also skeptical and have an instinct to be cynical, at this point as I sit here and watch the last 30 days of my account tick down with no real intention to renew unless things get better its a wait and see situation.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 36	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:11:00 - [54] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: I believe Hilmars words as much as I believe the stripper at the strip club down the street. She talks a good game, but in the end all she cares about is the money. Hopefully she looks a bit better than Hilmar tho. Uh I don't know.. I mean if she does look like him it's okay, if you like that sort of thing. I wont judge you.. Ummm... You do what you like.
Punctator Black Souls Industries 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:19:00 - [55] - Quote maybe ccp is greedy but they are not stupid. for what we can read on Hilmars blog, next expansion will be great, new t2, new drones (meybe scramble drones? ) so many tears have fallen there - or ccp will start have realy realy problems with old playerbase. so in my opinion you are "just totally and completely cynical" - we should wait for new expansion and have hope. my greatest hope is that they will change ship cargo in carriers and this change will be realy epic like from 1kkk to 3kkk m3 or something and thay develop scrambling drones. i think this time will not be situation like this -> "Oh We rebalanced hybrids! it has 1.5% damage more now! - we are great, this will change all eve" on devblog because one monocle project is enough so for now - i am optimistic.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 156	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:24:00 - [56] - Quote Punctator wrote: maybe ccp is greedy but they are not stupid. for what we can read on Hilmars blog, next expansion will be great, new t2, new drones (meybe scramble drones? ) so many tears have fallen there - or ccp will start have realy realy problems with old playerbase. so in my opinion you are "just totally and completely cynical" - we should wait for new expansion and have hope. my greatest hope is that they will change ship cargo in carriers and this change will be realy epic like from 1kkk to 3kkk m3 or something and thay develop scrambling drones. i think this time will not be situation like this -> "Oh We rebalanced hybrids! it has 1.5% damage more now! - we are great, this will change all eve" on devblog because one monocle project is enough so for now - i am optimistic. You maybe optimistic, but god damn its hard to follow wtf your saying.
Nyio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:34:00 - [57] - Quote I take anything that comes from CCP "with a pinch of salt". Reasons for this is that they have shown in the past to not often meet deadlines, and some things that is said/promised seems to vanish in thin air sometimes.. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here..
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 451	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:58:00 - [58] - Quote You don't have to trust him. You only have to wait and see what results. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. 297	Posted - 2011.10.07 10:29:00 - [59] - Quote Friedrich Nietzsche made a good point when he wrote: "Not that you lied to me but that I no longer believe you - that is what has distressed me." Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
ISquishWorms 22	Posted - 2011.10.07 10:39:00 - [60] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"... This ^^



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