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Jason1138 The Catalina Wine Mixer 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:18:00 - [1] - Quote Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too?
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:20:00 - [2] - Quote completely cynical kinda sums it up. Edit: If you can't feel even a little bit of hope, then yes cynical. But why be bitter? Isn't that the silliest thing you could do. It does more damage to you and those around you if you're nothing but bitter.
Amsterdam Conversations Cheesecake Starshine 16	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:24:00 - [3] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Am I the only one who doesn't believe a word of Hilmar's blog? No.
Jason1138 The Catalina Wine Mixer 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:32:00 - [4] - Quote "But why be bitter? " because the people who run this game have a track record of lying to the subscriber base about future development and the current state of the game, while at the same time treating said subscriber base with contempt and indifference?
Belloche The Dark Tribe Checkmate. 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:42:00 - [5] - Quote You are not alone in the thinking that Lucy will take the football away at the last second just like she has done all the other times she has promised not to.
Sturmwolke 18	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:50:00 - [6] - Quote With that blog, metaphorically speaking, he's actually putting a knife to his throat. If he doesn't follow through, the community backlash (and reputation hit) will create an even bigger shitstorm (like never before) ... so it's really in his interest to make it happen
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries 229	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:54:00 - [7] - Quote To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"... Classic forum style - Images and colored text - Custom CQ videos
Jason1138 The Catalina Wine Mixer 3	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:56:00 - [8] - Quote "If he doesn't follow through, the community backlash (and reputation hit) will create an even bigger shitstorm (like never before) ... so it's really in his interest to make it happen" you'd think that, wouldn't you. you'd also think it'd be in their interests to release the next wave of t3's in less than 4 years, or to have a viable FW option, or for lowsec to have a point to it, or for PI to work properly, or for CQ to launch with more than 1 racial type and with more than 4 things in the closet and with more than 1 room for you to go into so...
MORZAG Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:56:00 - [9] - Quote No. I and everyone else wants to believe, but the apology was around 3 months too late. This happened because the daily PCU is approaching 2008 levels. My sub will still run out sometime in November, they have a lot to prove if they want to change that.
Ron Bacardi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:56:00 - [10] - Quote So why don't you leave? idgi

Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:58:00 - [11] - Quote weather i believe it is irrelevant, im waiting for winter expansion before i make my judgement. but for now, im happy with what was said.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group 1	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:59:00 - [12] - Quote I think your cynicism is justified. His track record leads straight to . . .Iceland? Oh, wait. There's another word for that. Mittens is dead. Prove otherwise. Even when alive his/her ass and mouth must have gotten mixed up somehow.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:01:00 - [13] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: "But why be bitter? " because the people who run this game have a track record of lying to the subscriber base about future development and the current state of the game, while at the same time treating said subscriber base with contempt and indifference? What you do with your life is your choice. You choose to be bitter about it. They aren't forcing you to be like that. Keep moping about if you wish. I'd know who I'd rather spend time with. someone who is happy. If you want people to fix things and make it better doing a big turd on the carpet isn't the right way to go about it. Everyone will look at the mess and go "yeah that's wonderful". it'd be nice if everyone just gets back to the game and stop looking at the mess on the ground.
Baby ChuChu Ice Cream Asylum 11	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote Ron Bacardi wrote: So why don't you leave? idgi Because instead of speaking with their money, a lot of people around here just like speaking. And despite what people like to think, only the former really matters at the end of the day.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:16:00 - [15] - Quote Waiting to see what happens wont kill you. Most the things I do in game haven't changed since I started playing. Do I think getting down about it will make it better? I could pull my finger out and do something about it. But I wouldn't write a forum post about how I don't believe anything I hear anymore. What are you trying to get out of this? Do you just want some sympathy?
Jason1138 The Catalina Wine Mixer 3	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:17:00 - [16] - Quote ^ i canceled all my subs, i'm just waiting for the time to run out i'm not sure "leaving" before the subs run out would accomplish anything. if someone can show me it does i'll be glad to go
Dalloway Jones Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:30:00 - [17] - Quote The rest of us wouldn't have to read your annoying flouncy little "look at me I am a cynical cry baby" posts anymore. That would be pretty great.
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada 15	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:50:00 - [18] - Quote I'm not sure he told us much about the game and a plan.. they still don't have a plan or a budget to come up with ways to lure people into small scale pvp situations.... they have wormhole and incursion mechancs that they could slap together in an amalgam and start itterating on until after a few months of throwing crap against the wall they get something good (i'm all for failing frequently and only counting successes.. but you'll have a lot more sucesses if you arent' afraid to keep trying things) BUT I said i a few times in the last few debacles. I believe the man was sick. And I don't mean that in a trolling way at all. When you've live longer in the world, you get to see friends and colleagues sometimes implode... and its sad. Often times something close to substance abuse, marital problems, but often more than that. I wouldn't rule out a bi-polar manic state. The company was making certain decisions in an eratic manner.. contradicting themselves at times,,, and being forced to circle wagons on some things they knew themselves mad no sense (which has got to be demorlizing internally.. forced to dish **** to people you're friends with and respect ... that would suck) There was someone at the top alternatively slamming the accelrator to the floor, then the brakes.. well i'll stop .. dont' have the time for good analogies. I read a lot between the lines. His use of certain words.. the word "hubris" was a start... but there was more apology to his employees in there too ... when you mention two different things in one breath the two things put side by side often say a thrid and forth by implication. I got the sense of a pretty intense self awareness of some wrecks he caused to other people's lives (and I'm not talking us customers in a lost my Loki sort of way). I truly think he was mentally unstable.. hopefully it was just a stupid mid life crisis stage.. but those can wreak some havoc people around you.. spouses relaitves, colateral damages to kids ..etc.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 96	Posted - 2011.10.07 03:51:00 - [19] - Quote To answer the OP's question, I think he is forced to do something different, but how it plays out, that is another story. Grey Stormshadow wrote: To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"... Slurp
Aiden Andraste State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 04:29:00 - [20] - Quote I am "watching what they do, not what they say." This character was offered a 5 day free trial, so I activated it. Mostly to poast in GD.

supersexysucker Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group 7	Posted - 2011.10.07 04:35:00 - [21] - Quote you're not alone... the guy is so full of it... he should step down...
Aiden Andraste State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 04:36:00 - [22] - Quote Diomedes Calypso wrote: I'm not sure he told us much about the game and a plan.. they still don't have a plan or a budget to come up with ways to lure people into small scale pvp situations.... they have wormhole and incursion mechancs that they could slap together in an amalgam and start itterating on until after a few months of throwing crap against the wall they get something good (i'm all for failing frequently and only counting successes.. but you'll have a lot more sucesses if you arent' afraid to keep trying things) BUT I said i a few times in the last few debacles. I believe the man was sick. And I don't mean that in a trolling way at all. When you've live longer in the world, you get to see friends and colleagues sometimes implode... and its sad. Often times something close to substance abuse, marital problems, but often more than that. I wouldn't rule out a bi-polar manic state. The company was making certain decisions in an eratic manner.. contradicting themselves at times,,, and being forced to circle wagons on some things they knew themselves mad no sense (which has got to be demorlizing internally.. forced to dish **** to people you're friends with and respect ... that would suck) There was someone at the top alternatively slamming the accelrator to the floor, then the brakes.. well i'll stop .. dont' have the time for good analogies. I read a lot between the lines. His use of certain words.. the word "hubris" was a start... but there was more apology to his employees in there too ... when you mention two different things in one breath the two things put side by side often say a thrid and forth by implication. I got the sense of a pretty intense self awareness of some wrecks he caused to other people's lives (and I'm not talking us customers in a lost my Loki sort of way). I truly think he was mentally unstable.. hopefully it was just a stupid mid life crisis stage.. but those can wreak some havoc people around you.. spouses relaitves, colateral damages to kids ..etc. TL;DR: I think Hilmar is crazy and/or unstable because CCP made a lot of decisions that I feel are completely random.
Nephilius Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co. 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 04:37:00 - [23] - Quote I'm a pretty cynical and misanthropic kind of guy, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy. That isn't to say I trust the leadership yet, I see this as a relationship that has been violated and trust has to be rebuilt. This could be considered a start at least, but you know that we are all watching for what happens next. Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning.
Sturmwolke 20	Posted - 2011.10.07 04:38:00 - [24] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: you'd think that, wouldn't you. you'd also think it'd be in their interests to release the next wave of t3's in less than 4 years, or to have a viable FW option, or for lowsec to have a point to it, or for PI to work properly, or for CQ to launch with more than 1 racial type and with more than 4 things in the closet and with more than 1 room for you to go into so... EVE as a whole, is much greater than the trivial things you'd listed. Whatever you see now, however annoying, works to a certain degree. Yes, it'll make a lot of people happy if they fixed the glaring issues that has been languishing for years, but what really matters in this case, is CCP's focus. The real beef is their ungodly focus and questionable decisions regarding Incarna that got people up in arms for the past 2 years. The signs of trouble were already brewing and it was waiting to explode - which it did. Hilmar's blog, is more or less a statement saying that he recognizes that (the under-developed) Incarna must take a back-seat to polishing/enhancing the core EVE gameplay (FiS is really a misnomer). From this point on, it'll take time to re-tool their works and hopefully, we should start seeing something positive in the core gameplay for the Winter expansion ... however small. What initially pulls subscription and people is a better gameplay (not bling blings). With improved gameplay, the sandbox will get more intrigue, more happenings, more drama, more interesting things to do or aim for - in other words, it keeps the community alive ... and growing. Incarna (at current iteration) is anti-thesis to the wellbeing of the community. Without the community, there is NO EVE - it's just an empty server called Tranquility. This should be drilled into the minds of the management folks at CCP when they make certain decisions. If you feel like unsubscribing, go ahead. Long time regular players have learned to adapt to the ebb and flow of EVE, keeping the skilling up. You never know when you'd be pulled back
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada 16	Posted - 2011.10.07 04:49:00 - [25] - Quote Aiden Andraste wrote: Diomedes Calypso wrote: I'm..etc. TL;DR: I think Hilmar is crazy and/or unstable because CCP made a lot of decisions that I feel are completely random. Random in a way that didnt' fit how they did things in the past. Random in a way that put many employees in a bad spot. Random in a way unchracteristic of some-one who previously made very rational decisions. Read his own words.. they were about personality failures not simple buisness misjudgements. I actually think is business judgements weren't all that bad if they'd been done in a more stable fashion...he says that and he's right...he's looking back to what he did right and wrong and he hadn't lost his long term vision nor his business savy to look to the future. ... it just got wreckless , navigating wtih blinders and ear muff on and a wicked scent of some thing waiting at some finish line.
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada 16	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:01:00 - [26] - Quote Actually, as i mentioned in simlar posts 6 months ago, sometimes the pressure of something like a severe medical condition or tradegy befalling a family member can initiate a reactionary state similar to the emotional crisis due to internal illnesses mostly unrelated to external events (sa, bi-polar, mid life crisis, philandering, ... and a laundry list of vices that can take a life of their own) And I don't always think I'm right. I hypothosize then vet a theory. If someone who knew the guy for 20 years said that Himlar had been the same guy tover the last 18 months that they had always known, treated people around him, and himself the way he always had before... I'd stand corrected.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group 5	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:06:00 - [27] - Quote Diomedes Calypso wrote: Actually, as i mentioned in simlar posts 6 months ago, sometimes the pressure of something like a severe medical condition or tradegy befalling a family member can initiate a reactionary state similar to the emotional crisis due to internal illnesses mostly unrelated to external events (sa, bi-polar, mid life crisis, philandering, ... and a laundry list of vices that can take a life of their own) And I don't always think I'm right. I hypothosize then vet a theory. If someone who knew the guy for 20 years said that Himlar had been the same guy tover the last 18 months that they had always known, treated people around him, and himself the way he always had before... I'd stand corrected. Spell checker please.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:10:00 - [28] - Quote That's a fairly complicated situation you're describing. Simple answers are dismissed cause they are too easy. Why it happened isn't that important, but how they fix it is. You know the old saying: "Focus on the solution, not the problem".
Lakhthaar 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:13:00 - [29] - Quote Just wait and see what happens. No point in worrying too much about tomorrow. It will be here soon enough. I will say though, if his letter to us is nothing but lip service, he's a shoe-in for the intergalactic douche bag hall of fame.
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada 16	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:15:00 - [30] - Quote non judgement wrote: That's a fairly complicated situation you're describing. Simple answers are dismissed cause they are too easy. Why it happened isn't that important, but how they fix it is. Its important on a human sense because people might witness similar patterns in people they have around them in the future and instead of getting pissed off, or thinking the person is a douche, they might get together with other people the person knows and try some sort of encounter or something to try to stop the damage. If people aren't aware how those things pan out in life, they won't be prepared to help people in the future. Thats why i bring it up. And yes, I've had some personal experience with people around me affected by the diseases i desribed. People can help

Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 127	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:16:00 - [31] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: i'm not sure "leaving" before the subs run out would accomplish anything. if someone can show me it does i'll be glad to go Peak Concurrent User metric. If you cancel your recurring subscription but keep playing, to CCP that only means that you're planning to keep paying using PLEX (which is better for them because it earns them more money). So if you're quitting, cancel your subscription and quit playing. Send a letter to CCP, make sure you take their exit survey and let them know why you quit. Don't keep playing, don't keep posting on the forums, stop being active at all and show them that you are actually quitting and not just storming off to the pub to have a drink with your mates before coming back to cop more of the same.
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN 202	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:29:00 - [32] - Quote Sturmwolke wrote: With that blog, metaphorically speaking, he's actually putting a knife to his throat. If he doesn't follow through, the community backlash (and reputation hit) will create an even bigger shitstorm (like never before) ... so it's really in his interest to make it happen Oh cool, we can say shitstorm. I wonder if we can still say bukkake.
mkint 124	Posted - 2011.10.07 05:57:00 - [33] - Quote If you go with the relationship analogy, my bags are still packed. I'm still looking for somewhere else to go. If something else comes up, I'm probably out the door. Does that make me a bad person?
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 95	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:00:00 - [34] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? It's ok... it's ok.. come here. /me holds OP head in my broad sholders. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:07:00 - [35] - Quote mkint wrote: If you go with the relationship analogy, my bags are still packed. I'm still looking for somewhere else to go. If something else comes up, I'm probably out the door. Does that make me a bad person? No. It means you like long goodbyes. Why bother wasting your time here when you could be somewhere else having heaps of fun?
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 95	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:08:00 - [36] - Quote non judgement wrote: mkint wrote: If you go with the relationship analogy, my bags are still packed. I'm still looking for somewhere else to go. If something else comes up, I'm probably out the door. Does that make me a bad person? No. It means you like long goodbyes. Why bother wasting your time here when you could be somewhere else having heaps of fun? World of Tanks? PERPETUUM ONLINE?! Hah.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 54	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:09:00 - [37] - Quote Well, it's really immaterial whether one believes it or not. What such a statement does is commit the author to actions. If these actions are carried out speaks for itself. It's like when you kept promising your parents you really would be in by 10 "next time." They didn't believe you either. They watched the clock, then the door. If you didn't come striding in at ten, so much for that song. Another way to look at it is, Hilmar admitted to a lot of mistakes, faults and shortcomings. Making such things public is not what corporations normally do. Normally they pretend something isn't there, that complaints are from the fringe few, and then they do what they want regardless. I tend to believe Hilmar because he did go out on a limb with his admissions. I'm not one who requires apologies from people. No "cool kid" does. It's not that I don't believe them. It's that I don't need someone humbling themselves to me to make me feel okay. In the end, as we're all supposed to know, talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. It's just that all this text looks so neat on this forum I can't resist pounding the keys as a form of digital nailbiting. tl;dr Prove to me you're as honest as your standard for others, then I'll worry about whom you believe...or not. To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate.
Sebastian N Cain Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:10:00 - [38] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? Clearly bittervet. You know, a cynic would immediately realize that the community is in most cases equally full of %&(&. Take a look at the forums. People are good at whining around and that-¦s it. "You either need less science fiction or more medication." "Or less medication and more ammo!"
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 6	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:19:00 - [39] - Quote I'd give the blog a passing grade. A solid D. It kinda reminds me of this Do I believe that Hilmar's motives for writing it were pure (i.e. that he truly feels awful for ******* over his long-time customers)? No. Do I believe that subscription numbers plummeting have convinced him to allocate more resources to FiS? Yes, but I could be wrong. Nothing CCP does surprises me anymore. I'm disappointed that the word 'sandbox' doesn't appear once in the blog. Nor a personal apology to CSM V, whose hard work was all for naught and who were completely ignored/dismissed. The blog was very late and very flawed. But it has its good bits and is marginally better than nothing.
Zarutha The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance 30	Posted - 2011.10.07 06:34:00 - [40] - Quote I really enjoy this game, there is no other mmo that has kept me subbed like Eve. Reading his post, I felt it was from the heart. It also felt polished by a publicist or two, but still the sentiment was there.

Rex Garvin The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:17:00 - [41] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? Whats thier to believe. He says nothing about changing anything. He only says hes sorry.
Mallikanth Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance 15	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:24:00 - [42] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile" I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then? just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? While I understand your skepticism (to put it politely) It is an important and necessary step. Of course words always have to be backed up with actions and that's what we all wait for - and not just in the next expansion but form here onwards. Trust, once lost is impossible to get back fully. However, I live in hope that he will be true to his word and no amount of tinhat wearing will change the matter (and may only make things worse). Believe in what they do, not what they say.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:29:00 - [43] - Quote Because of the difficult economic climate, I have downgraded my expectations of CCP from "pioneering" to "surviving". I'm even more cynical than the OP: I think the FiS plan requires less dev time than the WiS establishments plan (that has been stalled for now).
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 85	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:30:00 - [44] - Quote I am wondering what you people actually want I mean yes incarnia and the nex shop and other things was indeed something of a wrong marketing call on CCP s side And they admitted this now they outline a path of ideas and improvements they working on that has been asked by the playerbase for a looong time and you are still complaining Make up your mind , either stop playing and posting , more place for other people Or just stop whinning Goons Delenda Est I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 75	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:37:00 - [45] - Quote Eh, what is there to believe? Hilmar said it himself, "actions speak louder than words". Whether Hilmar and CCP decide to live up to it, is a different matter entirely and if you feel enough is enough, you as a consumer have that power to vote with your wallet. Neither I or the community will stop you and nor is CCP. Go ahead. I for one still manage to have fun when I play EVE regardless of monocles, inane "$1000 designer jeans" statements or apologetic blogs by the CEO of a game developer and what is what counts, right? GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 156	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:42:00 - [46] - Quote I believe Hilmars words as much as I believe the stripper at the strip club down the street. She talks a good game, but in the end all she cares about is the money.
Just Another Toon University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:44:00 - [47] - Quote losing 20,000 people from the concurrent number, probably had something to do with the change of mind as well... That would make anyone stand up and listen..even if they are not sincere..to be honest i think the years of 'we are not listening to you' attitude has taken its toll and ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..
Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:50:00 - [48] - Quote Oh I believe. I believe that he feels sorry for his wallet which is getting thinner each month. I also believe that he must be quite emotional about this.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 75	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:50:00 - [49] - Quote Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/
Just Another Toon University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:56:00 - [50] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..

Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 75	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:57:00 - [51] - Quote Just Another Toon wrote: Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money... Nah. The game still lags in fights :P GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/
Just Another Toon University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:01:00 - [52] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: Alpheias wrote: Just Another Toon wrote: ill be surprised if alot of those never come back.. Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at. I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money... Nah. The game still lags in fights :P Cant disagree with ya there...
Kryss Darkdust Darkdust Industries Empire 17	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:11:00 - [53] - Quote I believe a few things about this devblog. Hilmar loves Eve, its his baby and anyone who has ever had a baby for a project knows that when it starts to fail or become discredited in anyway you take it personally and regardless of it was or wasn't your fault you hold yourself accountable. Its essentially an admission that ya "I **** this up" and a promise "I will do better". Its just words of course but the first step in any process in which something positive comes out of something negatives requires you to actually admit that something was negative. Until you actually do that, you are still blind to the reasons for your failures. Its a hard thing to do and for a CEO to do it publicly is kind of unheard of actually. At least to my knowledge. I also believe that he will act, but actions always take longer than the initial intent. Development projects are long and dreary process even when making games. As a mangager of people the only thing he can do is motivate them, assign them work and critique the work. As much as managers would like to do it themselves, their at the mercy of the people working for him. As such his actions to re-assign resources, assign tasks and get things moving is effectively all "he" can do. The rest is up to the team and the team needs time. The only real question is what will the result be and while we can speculate based on past records in the end the only thing that matters at this moment is that we are once again moving ** in the right direction. To me this whole thing is a positive move and while I'm also skeptical and have an instinct to be cynical, at this point as I sit here and watch the last 30 days of my account tick down with no real intention to renew unless things get better its a wait and see situation.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 36	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:11:00 - [54] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: I believe Hilmars words as much as I believe the stripper at the strip club down the street. She talks a good game, but in the end all she cares about is the money. Hopefully she looks a bit better than Hilmar tho. Uh I don't know.. I mean if she does look like him it's okay, if you like that sort of thing. I wont judge you.. Ummm... You do what you like.
Punctator Black Souls Industries 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:19:00 - [55] - Quote maybe ccp is greedy but they are not stupid. for what we can read on Hilmars blog, next expansion will be great, new t2, new drones (meybe scramble drones? ) so many tears have fallen there - or ccp will start have realy realy problems with old playerbase. so in my opinion you are "just totally and completely cynical" - we should wait for new expansion and have hope. my greatest hope is that they will change ship cargo in carriers and this change will be realy epic like from 1kkk to 3kkk m3 or something and thay develop scrambling drones. i think this time will not be situation like this -> "Oh We rebalanced hybrids! it has 1.5% damage more now! - we are great, this will change all eve" on devblog because one monocle project is enough so for now - i am optimistic.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN. 156	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:24:00 - [56] - Quote Punctator wrote: maybe ccp is greedy but they are not stupid. for what we can read on Hilmars blog, next expansion will be great, new t2, new drones (meybe scramble drones? ) so many tears have fallen there - or ccp will start have realy realy problems with old playerbase. so in my opinion you are "just totally and completely cynical" - we should wait for new expansion and have hope. my greatest hope is that they will change ship cargo in carriers and this change will be realy epic like from 1kkk to 3kkk m3 or something and thay develop scrambling drones. i think this time will not be situation like this -> "Oh We rebalanced hybrids! it has 1.5% damage more now! - we are great, this will change all eve" on devblog because one monocle project is enough so for now - i am optimistic. You maybe optimistic, but god damn its hard to follow wtf your saying.
Nyio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:34:00 - [57] - Quote I take anything that comes from CCP "with a pinch of salt". Reasons for this is that they have shown in the past to not often meet deadlines, and some things that is said/promised seems to vanish in thin air sometimes.. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here..
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 451	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:58:00 - [58] - Quote You don't have to trust him. You only have to wait and see what results. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. 297	Posted - 2011.10.07 10:29:00 - [59] - Quote Friedrich Nietzsche made a good point when he wrote: "Not that you lied to me but that I no longer believe you - that is what has distressed me." Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
ISquishWorms 22	Posted - 2011.10.07 10:39:00 - [60] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"... This ^^

Holy One SniggWaffe 35	Posted - 2011.10.07 10:57:00 - [61] - Quote CCP's financial situation is well publicized. I'm guessing they are having to accept that they can't bring wod and dust to market in time and any further lost revenue in EvE would probably be a nail in the coffin with regard new investment. Hence 'capitulation' to shore up EvE revenues and cash in on bitter vet/returning accounts once Fis changes are raged about by everyone who was just raging previously and drivinig away new custom etc. Its all just PR. But then this is a business not a cult.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2011.10.07 11:04:00 - [62] - Quote I don't care whether its true or not. He had to come here and give us all a grovelling apology. He had to admit that he'd been utterly wrong. If any of you know what Icelanders are like then that HAD to hurt. What it proves without any doubt is that the much-mocked "protestors" in the summer changed the course of Eve development. If there hadn't been all the rage and adverse publicity then all you'd be getting for Christmas would be some new clothes in the spacebarbie store. We'll see what is delivered rather than whats promised.
My Postman Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2011.10.07 11:11:00 - [63] - Quote Why on earth should Hilmar post such a blog, when not meaning what he-¦s saying? Simply don-¦t post, when you don-¦t mean it, as the comm will nail you when cheating. I for one like the dev-blog, and the "new" direction CCP is heading. At least until proven wrong.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 47	Posted - 2011.10.07 11:23:00 - [64] - Quote If Hilmars blog does not motivate you to continue subscribing to EVE you should stop. Now. Simple as that. Seriously, if the CEO's future prospects speech, for the company which products you use, cannot motivate you to continue using the products there is something severely wrong and hypocritical on your end if you still continue to do so anyhow. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
Rascal deJascal Nova-Tek 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 11:38:00 - [65] - Quote lolwhine thread.
pipvac Sacred Templars RED.OverLord 4	Posted - 2011.10.07 11:53:00 - [66] - Quote Who was it at CCP who said (paraphrasing) "It's not what they say, but what they do!"? Quite right... My alts will remain unsubbed, until they come through on their promises and rhetoric. We've been here before with CCP, and history has made me synical. It all sounds fascinating. Nothing really on sov mechanics which is a worry,. But maybe the rebalancing will make that unecessary. We will see (or not).
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:01:00 - [67] - Quote Words of a desperate man. With the realization that EVEs last hope to attract new blood, into an 8 year old game, has been an unmitigated failure. Like it or hate it, Incarna opened the door (no pun intended) to a much wider audience. Any hope of new player retention has evaporated with yet another shift in direction, from a company that has apparently lost its way. With so many 'triple A' MMO releases on the horizon the panic button has been firmly hit. In short, with numbers falling, with so many veteran players Plexing accounts and so little new player retention, where will the future monthly revenue come from to keep CCP afloat?
H3lljump3r Keep Calm and Make Tea 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:15:00 - [68] - Quote Jason1138 wrote: So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too? I don't often grace these forums, and certainly not General Discussion, but as a semi-casual player I really didn't care much about the whole fuss. Like any player I wanted them to fix the broken aspects of the game, but as long as they weren't breaking existing things that worked I didn't mind new useless features like fancy station environments. However I do believe that all your bitching has paid off, and Hilmar is now actually dedicated to improving the core "flying in space" mechanics, as well as continuing to evolve EVE towards his walking in stations vision.
Froz3nEcho Sarain Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 94	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:22:00 - [69] - Quote I don't understand why people are whining so much about this. Maybe this is because I only play for like 5/6 months now and actually enjoy the game I am playing. So many cynical old farts here lol. Try looking at the good things for once instead of whining every 5 seconds about everything on this forum. Just try it for once it might help. Oh and I believe it is tradition here so to all the people that can't stop complaining. Can I has your stuff this winter pl0x??? ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:27:00 - [70] - Quote Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote: I don't understand why people are whining so much about this. Maybe this is because I only play for like 5/6 months now and actually enjoy the game I am playing. So many cynical old farts here lol. Try looking at the good things for once instead of whining every 5 seconds about everything on this forum. Just try it for once it might help. Oh and I believe it is tradition here so to all the people that can't stop complaining. Can I has your stuff this winter pl0x??? Whining about people whining doesn't make it right

Froz3nEcho Sarain Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 94	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:29:00 - [71] - Quote T-Jay Charante wrote: Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote: I don't understand why people are whining so much about this. Maybe this is because I only play for like 5/6 months now and actually enjoy the game I am playing. So many cynical old farts here lol. Try looking at the good things for once instead of whining every 5 seconds about everything on this forum. Just try it for once it might help. Oh and I believe it is tradition here so to all the people that can't stop complaining. Can I has your stuff this winter pl0x??? Whining about people whining doesn't make it right Well it worked for everybody else (Ship spinning is coming back) Might give it a try as well ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. 297	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:35:00 - [72] - Quote T-Jay Charante wrote: In short, with numbers falling, with so many veteran players Plexing accounts and so little new player retention, where will the future monthly revenue come from to keep CCP afloat? CCP don't care if you pay for your account with PLEX or cash, because, believe it or not, somebody somewhere has paid RL money for the PLEX. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 52	Posted - 2011.10.07 12:36:00 - [73] - Quote I suggest you re-read it, and then re-read it again. There is a level of honesty there that is VERY RARE for CCP.
Mai Kusoni State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2011.10.07 13:00:00 - [74] - Quote Seems to me Hilmar has has known what he was doing since the beginning. *"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."* It was not the forum crying or CSM ('what they say') that had him change course. It was the loss of subscriptions ('what they do'). He had planned for this from the start (plan B) as shown in his above statement. No one plans a large scale change without a risk-assessment and back-out plan beforehand. The rest is damage control and PR. Keep patting yourselves on the back. Believe it or not, he is smarter than you want to admit. Hilmar +1
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 13:03:00 - [75] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: T-Jay Charante wrote: In short, with numbers falling, with so many veteran players Plexing accounts and so little new player retention, where will the future monthly revenue come from to keep CCP afloat? CCP don't care if you pay for your account with PLEX or cash, because, believe it or not, somebody somewhere has paid RL money for the PLEX. Quote: has paid as in past tense. My question is where will the future revenue come from.
Nyio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2011.10.07 13:34:00 - [76] - Quote T-Jay Charante wrote: Incarna opened the door (no pun intended) Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here..
Des Aray School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 13:43:00 - [77] - Quote OP, Simple solution to your whine. Unsubscribe and biomass. I'm so sick of this crap.
Smoking Blunts Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD. 67	Posted - 2011.10.07 13:53:00 - [78] - Quote words writen by the pr deparment stamped with his name. that was my thoughts on reading that blog CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
Des Aray School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 13:59:00 - [79] - Quote Smoking Blunts wrote: words writen by the pr deparment stamped with his name. that was my thoughts on reading that blog at least some attempt is being made to reconnect with the eve community. You obviously have no faith in ccp so.... unsubscribe and biomass. Bye o/
heheheh Phoenix Club 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 14:37:00 - [80] - Quote Bitter. yes, Vet, no.

HaxTis Panty Hamsters 4	Posted - 2011.10.07 14:57:00 - [81] - Quote really again with all these im better then the game i play posts. ill say it like this ccp has never made such a big appology to the community, the have never taken so much credit for messing up the game, they have never listened to us as much as they are right now. so yes its words but we will see what they do. so man if you dont trust them, why make a post that has been made 5000000000000000000000 times since yesterday. grow up or gtfo really stop forum warrioring and grow a pair and wait to see what happens. these whole lets go to the forums to whine is really old. and all you cry babies here just need to buy a sack or chop the small ones off you claim to have because you act more like women with all these posts then you act like men. GROW UP
Zixie Draco Tactical Knightmare 18	Posted - 2011.10.07 15:11:00 - [82] - Quote HaxTis wrote: really again with all these im better then the game i play posts. ill say it like this ccp has never made such a big appology to the community, the have never taken so much credit for messing up the game, they have never listened to us as much as they are right now. so yes its words but we will see what they do. so man if you dont trust them, why make a post that has been made 5000000000000000000000 times since yesterday. grow up or gtfo really stop forum warrioring and grow a pair and wait to see what happens. these whole lets go to the forums to whine is really old. and all you cry babies here just need to buy a sack or chop the small ones off you claim to have because you act more like women with all these posts then you act like men. GROW UP ...now THIS is funny.. Best post of the day award right here. Would you like a kitten?
Inari Kobayashi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2011.10.07 15:27:00 - [83] - Quote HaxTis wrote: really again with all these im better then the game i play posts. ill say it like this ccp has never made such a big appology to the community, the have never taken so much credit for messing up the game, they have never listened to us as much as they are right now. so yes its words but we will see what they do. so man if you dont trust them, why make a post that has been made 5000000000000000000000 times since yesterday. grow up or gtfo really stop forum warrioring and grow a pair and wait to see what happens. these whole lets go to the forums to whine is really old. and all you cry babies here just need to buy a sack or chop the small ones off you claim to have because you act more like women with all these posts then you act like men. GROW UP +1
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 8	Posted - 2011.10.07 15:38:00 - [84] - Quote Like i wrote there blog "sounds" nice and i like what hi wrote about refocusing,so i can stop trolling all and everything CCP for a few and wait to see results.
Mortis vonShadow Balanaz Mining and Development Inc. 2	Posted - 2011.10.07 15:50:00 - [85] - Quote To everyone that is "unsubbing" their accounts, I have just one question for you: Can I have your stuff? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 52	Posted - 2011.10.07 15:53:00 - [86] - Quote bitter vet syndrome is a serious illness that mainly affects older (pre-Apocryphia) players symptoms include: constant referring to the old days of eve online. constant whining about nerfs both new and old. inflated egos constant threatening to quit eve online yet don't known treatments for terminally ill bitter vets cancelling subs selling characters known treatments for bitter vets diagnosed early adapting to change
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2011.10.07 15:54:00 - [87] - Quote i believe him. I may even start logging in again instead of haunting the forums when I have nothing else better to do. CSM 4 Alt2, CSM5 Alt1 / Rage Quit, CSM6 Fail Candidate Hasbeen Ragequitting Creator of New Edens Largest Non-Profit Events derp.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 16:44:00 - [88] - Quote You should be able to tell by the devblogs that come henceforth. When something like this happens in a large company and they get back on track for real... people in the company are excited with the 'new' direction and should be spewing with enthusiasm that EvE is headed where it should be. If it was lipservice this winter expansion will dwindle on into late 2012 and the employees will lose focus and forget the feelings they felt when reading his apology this week. My bet is that its genuine but I'm not sure they can deliver on everything they've said '**** it' to for the last few years which is basically everything on the winter expansion list. There was a reason you didn't do that stuff to begin with, now suddenly you can balance hybrids and come out with new tech II modules by winter... doubt it.
Revajin 15 Minute Outliers Chained Reactions 12	Posted - 2011.10.07 17:19:00 - [89] - Quote I don't really have an opinion about the apology because I'm a rational adult and this is a videogame. The fact that a developer even had to apologize to the community is laughable to me and just shows how immature you all really are. If this game stopped being fun for me I would simply un-sub and stop playing without a word. Not go on the forums and cry about it like a child until the developer apologizes and then debate endlessly with the other children whether the apology was sincere.
Bane Necran 73	Posted - 2011.10.07 17:21:00 - [90] - Quote Revajin wrote: I don't really have an opinion about the apology because I'm a rational adult and this is a videogame. The fact that a developer even had to apologize to the community is laughable to me and just shows how immature you all really are. If this game stopped being fun for me I would simply un-sub and stop playing without a word. Not go on the forums and cry about it like a child until the developer apologizes and then debate endlessly with the other children whether the apology was sincere. I like the cut of your jib.

Trainwreck McGee Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2011.10.07 17:23:00 - [91] - Quote i could care less about Hellmars blog. Zulu's blog is the interesting one and no of coarse i dont believe they will get all that stuff done by Winter CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. 301	Posted - 2011.10.07 17:46:00 - [92] - Quote Revajin wrote: I don't really have an opinion about the apology because I'm a rational adult and this is a videogame. The fact that a developer even had to apologize to the community is laughable to me and just shows how immature you all really are. If this game stopped being fun for me I would simply un-sub and stop playing without a word. Not go on the forums and cry about it like a child until the developer apologizes and then debate endlessly with the other children whether the apology was sincere. You clearly do have an opinion. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Darwin Duck Evil Monkey Asylum 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 17:47:00 - [93] - Quote Heard that speak from Hilmar from every CEO in the business. Nothing have ever changed for the better anywhere. John Smedley of SoE use to make this speech once a year just to give the impression he cared and things would change. Never did. And yeah, the only thing the blog told me is they've lost lots of subs lately. And when SW:Tor launches they'll lose alot more.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 17:59:00 - [94] - Quote Darwin Duck wrote: Heard that speak from Hilmar from every CEO in the business. Nothing have ever changed for the better anywhere. John Smedley of SoE use to make this speech once a year just to give the impression he cared and things would change. Never did. And yeah, the only thing the blog told me is they've lost lots of subs lately. And when SW:Tor launches they'll lose alot more. http://vividgamer.com/2011/03/11/ea-bioware-bans-an-irate-gamer-from-playing-purchased-games/ enjoy your SW:TOR
Darwin Duck Evil Monkey Asylum 0	Posted - 2011.10.07 18:09:00 - [95] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: Darwin Duck wrote: Heard that speak from Hilmar from every CEO in the business. Nothing have ever changed for the better anywhere. John Smedley of SoE use to make this speech once a year just to give the impression he cared and things would change. Never did. And yeah, the only thing the blog told me is they've lost lots of subs lately. And when SW:Tor launches they'll lose alot more. http://vividgamer.com/2011/03/11/ea-bioware-bans-an-irate-gamer-from-playing-purchased-games/ enjoy your SW:TOR I will, he won't :p
Barbelo Valentinian The Scope Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2011.10.07 18:49:00 - [96] - Quote Mai Kusoni wrote: No one plans a large scale change without a risk-assessment and back-out plan beforehand. I dunno, I thought the burden of his statement was precisely that he has cocked it up. And I don't think you'd get a CEO admitting to a major cockup that was his fault just for the sake of PR and crowd control. I really don't see any reason to do anything other than take Hilmar's post at face value, nor to think of him as anything other than quite brave for saying what he's said (even though he had to say it - because it was true and because EVE would be down the toilet if he hadn't, as many vets would NEVER return unless he'd said it). The way I see it: CCP were onto a good thing with EVE - contrary to the general trend in MMOS, which is a huge subscription burst at the start, then a gradual decline, EVE was almost unique in just growing ... and growing ... and growing ... and growing. There's no reason why they can't return to that sure and steady growth. I think they just imagined, for a while, in some coke-fuelled daze, that there might be some way of speeding up the growth by "magic tricks" like Incarna and NeX. But now, they've realized that no, the only real way to get EVE growing again like it has done, is to keep on trying to make it the best space game it could possibly be. For sure that will include WiS, and had CQ been marketed as a side-show from the start, to be iterated on in the future, there would have been no great hullaballoo. But the main thing is the FiS, it's been needing a spruce-up and some attention for a while. I think also, from what he said, there must have been a change of corporate culture at CCP. At a certain point, companies that start off as groups of buddies venturing out into the unknown become victims of their own success, and have to change their management structure to accommodate more employees - they can't all be "good buddies" anymore, there has to be some professional management structure, institutionalized ways to get feedback from employees, etc., otherwise they're in danger of failing. According to Hilmar's post, this structure change seems to be happening to CCP too, and it's a good thing.


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