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Soros	Posted - 2005.05.26 18:49:00 - [31] Victim: Corporation: Destroyed Type: Claw Solar System: System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Security Status: Corporation: Ship Type: Crow Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I Claw had autocannons fitted. He just kept his range the claw got close but he popped before the crow did. so in answer to your questions. Now, now is when you can kil minimatar ceptors -= Soros =- = Firmux Ixion =
mahhy	Posted - 2005.05.26 19:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: mahhy Amarr Afs have nice resistances too No Minmatar get an effective 50% racial resist bonus, Amarr get 23%. They get a free active hardner, we get some crappy plating. Balance ftw Wanna explain that bit more? I was talking bout AFs, later on in the thread you said you were talking bout Inties? I'd be interested in how you came to 23% versus 50% resistances?
Meridius	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:09:00 - [33] Originally by: mahhy Wanna explain that bit more? I was talking bout AFs, later on in the thread you said you were talking bout Inties? I'd be interested in how you came to 23% versus 50% resistances? Sure. Base Armor EM Res = 60% Base Armor EXP Res = 10% Base Armor EM Res + Active EM hardner = 80% Base Armor EXP Res + Active EXP hardner = 55% Claw Armor EM Res = 80% Crusader Armor EXP Res = 30% One of these ships is getting a free active hardner, the other is not. ________________________________________________________
Bagdh Dearg	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:24:00 - [34] Yesterday I got Jumped by 2 Claws in a Low Sec System(Rat hunting) I was in a Harpy fitted for Tanking with a Gistii-A type The 2 of them had me locekd down in 30seconds and were circling me at 1km firing autocannons and rockets.My guns were unable to hit them and My Single Kinetic missile was doing **-poor damage. However I tanked the two of them indefinatly and they warped off when the Cavalry was starting to arrive.I must say even though I was in constant fear at the 80mill+ loss I enjoyed myself and was very impressed by those inties but they might need a bit of assistance when they plan to take on my Harpy in the future _______________________________________________ An tÚ nach bhfuil lßidir nÝ folßir d¾ bheith glic** -He who is not strong must be crafty
Marria	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: mahhy Wanna explain that bit more? I was talking bout AFs, later on in the thread you said you were talking bout Inties? I'd be interested in how you came to 23% versus 50% resistances? Sure. Base Armor EM Res = 60% Base Armor EXP Res = 10% Base Armor EM Res + Active EM hardner = 80% Base Armor EXP Res + Active EXP hardner = 55% Claw Armor EM Res = 80% Crusader Armor EXP Res = 30% One of these ships is getting a free active hardner, the other is not. ceptors get a extra 10% racial resistance... claw\stiletto from 70->80. crusader\malediction 20->30
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Marria ceptors get a extra 10% racial resistance... claw\stiletto from 70->80. crusader\malediction 20->30 Wow, you really completely missed the point didn't you? /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Meridius	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:44:00 - [37] Edited by: Meridius on 26/05/2005 20:49:39 Originally by: Marria Originally by: Meridius Originally by: mahhy Wanna explain that bit more? I was talking bout AFs, later on in the thread you said you were talking bout Inties? I'd be interested in how you came to 23% versus 50% resistances? Sure. Base Armor EM Res = 60% Base Armor EXP Res = 10% Base Armor EM Res + Active EM hardner = 80% Base Armor EXP Res + Active EXP hardner = 55% Claw Armor EM Res = 80% Crusader Armor EXP Res = 30% One of these ships is getting a free active hardner, the other is not. ceptors get a extra 10% racial resistance... claw\stiletto from 70->80. crusader\malediction 20->30 They get 20% above base as i clearly pointed out You might want to check this site out. Also, as Elve pointed out, you completely missed the point. It doesn't matter if it's 1% or 10% or whatever. There is a reason hardners do not add flat values! If they did, putting a 50% hardner on 50% base would yield 100% resists. This is also has to do with Gallente and Caldari. The higher the base resist the more effective the racial resist bonus is. Heh. ________________________________________________________
Marria	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Marria ceptors get a extra 10% racial resistance... claw\stiletto from 70->80. crusader\malediction 20->30 Wow, you really completely missed the point didn't you? i get your point but its not a bonus just 10% added. :/ nobody whines about the t1 racial resistance on minmatar ships and 10% explosive make amarr ships the best armor tankers.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Marria 10% explosive make amarr ships the best armor tankers. Clueless... ________________________________________________________
Marria	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Marria 10% explosive make amarr ships the best armor tankers. Clueless... with 3xhardeners all resistances at 60%+ when others have 55% explosive as lowest.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.05.26 20:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Marria Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Marria 10% explosive make amarr ships the best armor tankers. Clueless... with 3xhardeners all resistances at 60%+ when others have 55% explosive as lowest. It's just too bad that explosive is by far the least common damage type dealt. Keep trying. ________________________________________________________
Marria	Posted - 2005.05.26 21:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Marria Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Marria 10% explosive make amarr ships the best armor tankers. Clueless... with 3xhardeners all resistances at 60%+ when others have 55% explosive as lowest. It's just too bad that explosive is by far the least common damage type dealt. Keep trying. most projectile ammo has explosive dmg and think all crystals have em. its balanced. bleeh this is boring :/
Meridius	Posted - 2005.05.26 21:22:00 - [43] Originally by: Marria most projectile ammo has explosive dmg and think all crystals have em. its balanced. bleeh this is boring :/ Indeed it is. Explosive is the least common damage type, do the research, run the numbers. Hint, the most used projectile ammo does more EM damage then explosive. ________________________________________________________
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.05.26 21:35:00 - [44] Projectile ammo does an average of 38% Explosive damage. Laser crystals do an average of 65% EM damage. Total numbers for small crystal and ammo is: Small crystals do a total of 42 EM damage. Small Projectile Ammo do a total of 26 Explosive damage. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.26 23:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Espen Isen't Claw the fastest inty? Fastest base speed, but it has the highest mass, while the amarr intys have good base speed and low mass, which means they go faster with mwd than me :(.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.05.26 23:33:00 - [46] - 250/280's barly hit an ship in orbit at high speeds. - 250/280's barly an ship when you orbit them at high speeds. Yet an Claw can pop you on the approuch to orbit there ship. Being you're not moving side to side (Around there ship in orbit). You're heading towards them at one direction which I guess doesn't require much tracking. The 250's/280's will smack you down. No matter what you do, it wont matter anyways. They can still web you if you "Decay Orbit" them to get in your op range. If they fit a webber on that is. Some do, some don't (Only have 2 medium slots). Fitting long range vs long range with an "Tracking Disruptor II". Will give you a great advantage over an Claw with long range. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
KIAGumpy	Posted - 2005.05.27 00:15:00 - [47] 280mm rock but claws have a sucky locking range so long range isnt really an option unless the person your fighting is not experienced. Autocannons are the nasty ones tbh low grid cap and high dmg / rof and much longer range than blasters as well as very good tracking. To top it all off the claw only has one spare midslot so you can only web or scramble leaving the other guy to run away pretty easily. Killer In Action
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.05.27 00:35:00 - [48] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 27/05/2005 00:35:03 Claws weren't design to just fight other Inty's. They have a role and they serve it well. Stiletto's however can fit what you need as far as utility goes. Why it's the best of the Minmatar Inty's in my simple opinion. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Sorja	Posted - 2005.05.27 14:46:00 - [49] If you want to kill minmatarr interceptors, fly a Kestrel They will rush to you for an easy kill and have the surprize of their life if you have the right fitting. In fact a Kestrel can kill any interceptor, including a Crow, pretty easily. But you will lose often, which is really no big deal, it all depends if you have enough range to have your EW kick in To kill minmatarr assault frigates, fly a Hawk, it's pretty much the only thing that ship is good at, with it's 2 launchers fitted with explosive lights. In fact, if the oppenent doesn't have MWD, the Hawk is the bane of all other assault frigates. I wish a stupid module like the gistii shield booster was never introduced though (and yes I use one) since they completely unbalance 1 vs 1 fights. But 1 vs 1 is rare enough in Gank-Online
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.05.28 01:24:00 - [50] Originally by: Sorja If you want to kill minmatarr interceptors, fly a Kestrel If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
CmdoColin	Posted - 2005.05.28 13:43:00 - [51] I do in theory like the Claw and the Stileto. atm its the only assaults and inties I can can fly - and I actually think they are a bag of ** because of various reasons. There really is alot wrong with them - try and fly one and see what I mean... When I can fly amarr and caldari inties I'll come back and comment again Audita et altera pars**

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