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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:09:00 -
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Hey
Im a dedicated frig pilot in PvP. Mostly Caldari ceptors, but also AF's and in short time Amarr aswell, cause I looove lasers.
The thing is, i hate Minmatar Ceptors and AF's.
I have absolutely no clue how to deal with them!
If i fly caldari, they go in close and wtfpwn me in seconds.
If i fly amarr they tank me cause their natural resists are ungodly towards amarr.
In both cases they can allways run cause they have such a nasty speed.
And in both cases they deal "ñ&/%ñ dmg to me!
I need some sort of clue as to how i should deal with them...
Focus on tank, dmg, speed, ew, whatever.. just give me some clues... sometimes i ponder training minnie, but i would like to stay where i am.
Can anyone help me with some new input or general discussion?
/Sonorra
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:12:00 -
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a howwie fitted minnie ceptor will usually pwn all other ceptors. An AC fitted ceptor will prolly get in range as they are faster than all other ceptors so a web is deffo needed. I have taken a claw, once, in my taranis. Thank god they aint all that common. As for thier AF, a blaster ranis deals with em nicely, or anything that can deal kinetic dmg. Just whatever u do, dont orbit at range cos they will isnta pop u
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:23:00 -
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aye, minnie ceptors are a *****. Even with AC, they can hit at hilarious ranges, because of their great falloff. with crow, the tactics was, to fire 3 volleys of lights, then web and u get instantly poped ceptor. but since crow doesn't have RoF bonus anymore and web lasts only 5 seconds (instead of 25), this is almost impossible. raptor is better choice imo. it cap and speed suck tough.
don't know about amarr tactics, since i don't fly them.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:12:00 -
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Personally I'd think the Amarr Inty would be more than able to deal with a Minnie Inty. The Crusader can take any Inty 1v1, all dependant on setups and skills of course. But taking an Amarr Inty against a Minnie AF is a bit.. suicidal. Trust me, I've tried. Sometimes if you get luck you can win, but it'll only be because of bad piloting, or really bad setup on the Minnie AFs part. Usually you get wtfpwn'd 
An Amarr AF can go toe to toe with a Minnie AF though, Amarr Afs have nice resistances too 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 26/05/2005 11:48:28
if they stick thermal hardener on minnie AF... you can just self destruct amarr ship.
Vengeance with 250mm artys could do the trick:)
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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:33:00 -
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Ok, so basically we have one race, whos invincible to another aargh.......
Im calling the Raven card, and requesting a nerf.
And why is it that Raptor, the caldari interceptor that could actually do closerange combat, is the slowest??
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:37:00 -
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 Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 26/05/2005 11:48:28
if they stick thermal hardener on minnie AF... you can just self destruct amarr ship.
Vengeance with 250mm artys could do the trick:)
Stick a thermal hardner on an Amarr AF and with skills you have awesome resistances too
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Wrok
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sonorra Baki
Ok, so basically we have one race, whos invincible to another aargh.......
Im calling the Raven card, and requesting a nerf.
And why is it that Raptor, the caldari interceptor that could actually do closerange combat, is the slowest??
Are you forgetting that there are 2 other races of ships (and thusly weapons)? My Wolf has TERRIBLE resists to kinetic and explosive, so just because I can tank some lasers being shot at me doesn't mean I can take a bunch of bloodclaws, hybrid turrets or cruise missiles. Wolf is pretty nerfed in that regard already.
Compare all the AF's in the game, and you will find them pretty balanced. If anything, the wolf is short changed. NERF THE ENYO! 
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 26/05/2005 12:55:40
Yes, Amarr inties suffer to the Claw (especially my setup). This isn't necessarily a bad thing. And I congratulate the sneaky sob who almost got me with an autocannon-fitted Crusader.
Not all 1v1's will be balanced. Having a few interceptor 1v1's being a not-especially-even match is not the end of the world....
And the Minmatar AF's are very beatable..
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/05/2005 13:08:22
Minnie ships may find it easy to tank lasers, but there's nothing stopping you fitting other weapons 
Don't forget that the Malediction can fit two missile launchers.
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Gusar Mora
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:20:00 -
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Well , its tru minnie Afs are beatable by other afs , except ammar, as wolf and jag get 2 low resists while other 3 afs get only 1 low resists.
But, um with right wolf set up, no inty should be able to take an minni af,. tho crow is the only one with serous threat , as it can use long range set up, anything close or med dies in 3 volley muhahahahha
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gusar Mora
Well , its tru minnie Afs are beatable by other afs , except ammar, as wolf and jag get 2 low resists while other 3 afs get only 1 low resists.
But, um with right wolf set up, no inty should be able to take an minni af,. tho crow is the only one with serous threat , as it can use long range set up, anything close or med dies in 3 volley muhahahahha
Only if the Wolf hits... almost took one once with a Malediction, close range lasers and rockets. I don't have a clue how to setup a Wolf (don't fly Minnie ships) but he didn't have a web so i was able to maintain enough transversal to avoid a lot of the hits... got him just into structure when he popped me  Just a few more bad hits cause of tracking and he would of died...
Dang close... considering it was an Inty versus an AF.
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Tactician
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:38:00 -
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seriously if u cant kill a minnie AF in a harpy your doing something wrong, every time i fought them in my harpy ive pwned them easily, enyos and amarr afs are far more troublesome
Tact
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: juduzz on 26/05/2005 13:51:55
claw vrs crow is around 50/50 i find you just have to get in range to web ( if there using AC's thats np).. but very fun to fight.
Min assault ships sometimes you can take em out in a crow, although when those howies hit they HIT. They aint indestructable they just have there pro's and cons like all AF's and inties.
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Marria
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Posted - 2005.05.26 14:11:00 -
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 only thing that wolf has over a harpy is speed and armor. the harpy has even more pg than the wolf
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Balistic Void on 26/05/2005 16:10:27
Minmatar Interceptors are horribly overpowered, can't comment on AFs or other Minmatar ships. Crow sucks, 1 rocket launcher with defenders negates it's offense.
Juduzz: Crow vs Claw results in a dead crow 100% of the time if it's me flying the Claw.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Balistic Void
Edited by: Balistic Void on 26/05/2005 16:10:27
Minmatar Interceptors are horribly overpowered, can't comment on AFs or other Minmatar ships. Crow sucks, 1 rocket launcher with defenders negates it's offense.
Juduzz: Crow vs Claw results in a dead crow 100% of the time if it's me flying the Claw.
Hmm, crows can use rockets too...
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Balistic Void on 26/05/2005 16:13:26
And your point is? A webbed Claw can still get out of the rockets range before they hit.
I'm logged off in Venal right now Lukec, wanna undock and shot me?
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Marria
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:14:00 -
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a claw with 280mm II cant use missiles :/
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Amarr Afs have nice resistances too
No
Minmatar get an effective 50% racial resist bonus, Amarr get 23%.
They get a free active hardner, we get some crappy plating.
Balance ftw
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:25:00 -
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dude, claw does good damage, but a blaster taranis will******em. Raptor is your best bet inty vs inty fights, and i dont like htem tbh. I fly crow, but I dont go after other intys unless im sure i can web them and not die in the process.
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Marria
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: mahhy
Amarr Afs have nice resistances too
No
Minmatar get an effective 50% racial resist bonus, Amarr get 23%.
They get a free active hardner, we get some crappy plating.
Balance ftw
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armor explosive damage resistance 80 %
armor kinetic damage resistancearmor 62,5 %
on amarr af\hac armor... amarr af\hac just need 1x hardener to armor tank when minmatar need 2x
though when shield tanking them makes them nice :](the minmatar af\hac) but wolf\muninn are armor tankers :/
and very good balance that a caldar AF(harpy) gets more grid\cpu\shield\cap then a minmatar AF(wolf) and projectiles use more pg :/
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:04:00 -
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my crow setup worked very well against minmatar ceptors and all ceptors in general it was just expensive and its getting nerfed with the missile nerf :( looks like no more hunting in vale of the silent. im also kinda sick of losing them
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marria
a claw with 280mm II cant use missiles :/
Um, yeah, you can.
And claw is pretty uber, mahahhaa. But to be honest, the hardest things to fight are amarr intys, cause even though I have good resists to their damage, they are faster than me, and crusader has 1 more gun. I've had 2 1v1s vs amarr intys, vs crusaders, and I had to run in armor both times because I simply couldnt close range. Of course that was with autocannon setup... with arty setup claw pwns all :).
And people saying they have taken out wolfs in intys must have been facing some terrible wolf pilots. I've won 1v2s vs a crow and taranis and came out with 50% armor in my wolf. Intys die in 1.5-2 volleys.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
my crow setup worked very well against minmatar ceptors and all ceptors in general it was just expensive and its getting nerfed with the missile nerf :( looks like no more hunting in vale of the silent. im also kinda sick of losing them
Um unless your crow is fitting cruise or torps I dont see how its getting "nerfed" at all, seeing as how lights and rockets are getting boosts...
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Espen
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:18:00 -
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Isen't Claw the fastest inty?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marria
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armor explosive damage resistance 80 %
armor kinetic damage resistancearmor 62,5 %
on amarr af\hac armor... amarr af\hac just need 1x hardener to armor tank when minmatar need 2x
I was talking about inties, kinda like what the topic is about
The way HAC racial resists work is fine.
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Drommy
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:26:00 -
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my enyo has faught with most assaults without problems, as for cepter v cepter, taranis 4tw against min cepters, pwned 2 at the same time once, they where both using artilleryies at about 12km, took me ages to break there orbit and finally get one webbed down, once i did and i got into blater range tho was over in seconds, and the second one met the same fate. i only got hit a few times
autocannons im not so sure about tho
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Maxine Stirner on 26/05/2005 17:51:09
No matter how tough other frigs may seem, no frig pilot should wish nerfage on other frig pilots. I still wish my retribution or vengeance had 92.5% resist to EM of course. Most mins aren't going to shoot heavy EW anyhow, but it would be helpful for taking down blood raiders.
Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
my crow setup worked very well against minmatar ceptors and all ceptors in general it was just expensive and its getting nerfed with the missile nerf :(
Are you high? Your crow will work even better after the nerf, and should still be on par against other interceptors given their shrinking sig radii. All cruisers and frig sized missiles are getting a huge boost. Did you find some way to fit kill-all torpedoes on your crow or something?
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.05.26 18:24:00 -
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Crows gonna own after patch...
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