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The Lady Nighthawk Curse Of The Chosen Bosch Defence Industries Alliance 6	Posted - 2012.12.20 08:40:00 - [1] - Quote Hi I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list 1. military players get punished for playing 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules 1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying account is shared 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned etc it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place. I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change. Please like the post if you agree.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 2347	Posted - 2012.12.20 08:56:00 - [2] - Quote Like this post if you disagree. Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
CausticS0da Viziam Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:09:00 - [3] - Quote It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong. Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 2146	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:09:00 - [4] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Like this post if you disagree. Ha ha, nope, I'm not going to let you farm likes. But I also disagree. Having real life take a toll on your skill points is unfortunate (and there are far better examples of SP-preventing circumstances like illness, which unlike the military, are not voluntary). However, zero tolerance account sharing makes enforcing a host of other rules. Tolerating account sharing would make situations like these far more complicated: That wasn't me isk trading / botting! It was my brother trying to surprise me with lots of ISK for when I got home! My ex deleted my characters! My account was 'hacked' Et cetera. The Lady Nighthawk wrote: 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above These are not reasons to share accounts. These are reasons for you to train and get your own Orca/JF, buy a character, or get your friend to actually use them. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Esha Ditrix Knights of the posing meat 24	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:14:00 - [5] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Like this post if you disagree. +1 @OP, what exactly do you mean military ppl get punished for playing ? Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Mr Pragmatic 203	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:15:00 - [6] - Quote CausticS0da wrote: It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong. Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. And what do you do internet tough man? People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in. Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 359	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:15:00 - [7] - Quote If I can trade ships in a Corp Hangar for my own Alts, two people who know each other in real life can do the same. If I'm going in to a situation where I can't access a computer to switch out my skills? It's the last thing on my mind. Active militar people all over the world play EVE. As pointed out, if you trust someone with your password, give them your password. When they steal your Orca, go beating on their door though. I would.
The Lady Nighthawk Curse Of The Chosen Bosch Defence Industries Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:19:00 - [8] - Quote CausticS0da wrote: It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong. Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. You can always tell when people have no respect for others I server so you can live a free life you piece of crap what do you do, work at Walmart pfft, lol buddy, just lol
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3178	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:20:00 - [9] - Quote There is nothing preventing you from sharing your account right now. CCP isn't actively hunting down account sharers. The rule is there because it's a huge source of abuse cases and CCP can't guarantee the integrity of a shared account. Friendships end, disgruntled corpies steal shared corp assets/accounts and people scam others quite intentionally. CCP would rather not waste time dealing with that and losing an account is a huge source of grief and rage quitting, so it's prudent business management to try and minimize such cases. The rule is there to also inform you, that in disputes only one person can claim ownership of an account, things will likely go wrong at some point and when it happens it's all your fault and you're not guaranteed to get anything back.
Esha Ditrix Knights of the posing meat 24	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:21:00 - [10] - Quote Mr Pragmatic wrote: People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.. do you seriusly believe that, or is that just what ur taught to say, as to not be branded a non-patriot ? Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Dheeradj Nurgle Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 43	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:24:00 - [11] - Quote Quote: 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above How about actually getting your Orca and JF pilots online then..... Why the hell do they have them, if they are not actually used when needed? Quote: People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in. Haha, no. Having an army these days just means using it to bully countries around. There is no honour in it anymore.

ISD TYPE40 ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3312	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:29:00 - [12] - Quote Forum Rules wrote: 4. Be respectful of others at all times. The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. 5. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents. Thread is locked for a breach of the above rules. If you have any questions regarding the EULA please file a petition either in game via the F12 button or through the forums here - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1057	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:58:00 - [13] - Quote I have unlocked the topic, but it did require serious clean up. Discussion of whether account sharing should be legal or not is a valid topic, including giving reasons such as individuals in the military having people change skills for them. However, you should keep discussion of the topic and its reasons non-politically involved and refrain from insulting other posters. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

Tiberius Murderhorne CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N 40	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:08:00 - [14] - Quote I believe there should be a way to change your skills through the web site.... this would solve the problem of people being away as they can still get access to do that. as for sharing accounts.... im not sure on that one.... Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views!
Kira Vanachura Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:19:00 - [15] - Quote I don't like account sharing for several reasons: - people will use less alt accounts as they can lend those from others => less income for CCP => nasty consequences for the players - this is Eve: people will steal stuff etc. - this will lead to people losing all their stuff and quitting (I don't expect CCP to even begin undoing all that) CCP might want to add some feature for players who cannot log into eve for RL issues: - enable skillqueu modification options through Eve gate - maybe add a proxy especially for Eve gate that avoids filtering programs recognizing it as a game website - allow people to set a longer skillqueu, but at a reduced skillpoint rate You can already share accounts. It's impossible to track, just don't give your password to a guy living on the other side of the world and allow him to log in right after you log off.
C DeLeon Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 63	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:21:00 - [16] - Quote Tiberius Murderhorne wrote: I believe there should be a way to change your skills through the web site.... this would solve the problem of people being away as they can still get access to do that. as for sharing accounts.... im not sure on that one.... ^^^^^^ about skill training changes I don't like the idea of sharing already existing personal accounts with theft policy. Theft is legal in this game and if it happens through account sharing it shouldn't be illegal there too. It's everyone's own responsibility. But creating new accounts which could be shared on corp/alliance level (and accessable depending on corp/alliance roles and not by knowing the password) could be an interesting thing.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 272	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:28:00 - [17] - Quote Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Malphilos State War Academy Caldari State 237	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:34:00 - [18] - Quote The Lady Nighthawk wrote: 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned If you've shared your account willingly it should be understood that you've consented to let someone else make lasting decisions on that account, that it's no longer "yours", and for that reason you cannot be robbed.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 272	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:38:00 - [19] - Quote The Lady Nighthawk wrote: 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned. You can loose a lot more then isk, ships and items, what if someone decides to repeatedly self destruct your pod without buying a clone? It would leave your account close to useless. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Dheeradj Nurgle Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 44	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:41:00 - [20] - Quote dexington wrote: The Lady Nighthawk wrote: 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned. You can loose a lot more then isk, ships and items, what if someone decides to repeatedly self destruct your pod without buying a clone? It would leave your account close to useless. Why does that sound familliar....
Zakarumit CZ Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate 15	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:48:00 - [21] - Quote Sharing of accounts should be allowed.
Tiberius Murderhorne CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N 40	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:53:00 - [22] - Quote dexington wrote: Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance. This solves the problem right here... CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!) Cheers Tib Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10734	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:54:00 - [23] - Quote Tiberius Murderhorne wrote: CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!) Because it's more than enough to solve the problems it's meant to solve (viz. 3 AM skill changes). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Tiberius Murderhorne CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N 40	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:01:00 - [24] - Quote I remember the days of having to get up at silly times, but why limit it to 24 hours, why not 30 days, or indeed to the length of subscription remaining?? what would be the disadvantage? would this be game breaking? Cheers Tib Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10734	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:04:00 - [25] - Quote Tiberius Murderhorne wrote: I remember the days of having to get up at silly times, but why limit it to 24 hours, why not 30 days, or indeed to the length of subscription remaining? Because its only intent is to solve the 3AM skill changes, not to let you accumulate SP without loggin in. Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 273	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:05:00 - [26] - Quote Tiberius Murderhorne wrote: what would be the disadvantage? would this be game breaking? It forces people to log into the game, i'm guessing that's the main reason for the 24 hour queue. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Manar Detri 36	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:12:00 - [27] - Quote Mr Pragmatic wrote: People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in. Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over. The current system works perfectly, if something, maybe make the queue time 36 hours to allow queuing some lvl 4 skills with lvl 5 skills. Nothing more is needed, and I don't think we even need to change the 24 hour rule atm. So why's it set to 24 hours ? Well, it's more than enough time to setup skills to training that will take 24 hours minimum to train, or upto 2 months or more and that, I'm sure is enough or more than enough time for anyone to get time to login. Second off, there is no entitled soldier, usa is not the world, and usa:s benefit does not equal the worlds benefit, or should this also extend to taleban soldiers ?;) . We could argue about this but this threads not about ur political shortsightedness. Account sharing, as has been stated earlier, allowing it opens a can of worms that leads to massive account thefts. I do not see any way the current system doesn't work as required. Remember that theres no punishments for account sharing unless someone makes a request to investigate it.
Lovely Dumplings Lambda Mining 1	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:13:00 - [28] - Quote I really hate when people bring the military/veterans into things like this. Not being able to log in to change skills isn't punishment. It's a hazard of your chosen profession. I was in the military for 9 years, and EVE player through three deployments. I ran out skill queues maaaany times while over there, and, I dealt with it. It's no different than any other reason for dropping queue. Also, I was taught from basic onward, that you never ask for special treatment when a servicemember or veteran. If given, you graciously and humbly accept, but you don't demand others treat you differently because of your duty status. As for a solution, for military folks, give your account info to someone you trust on rear D, and watch your skills when you can on EVE Gate.
Felicity Love Caldari Provisions Caldari State 29	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:18:00 - [29] - Quote I was in the military. I stopped playing EVE while I was deployed. People shot at us, we shot back... there was no "clone bay", with a cup of hot coffee and a cigarette waiting... SERIOUSLY... I had more important things to worry about each day than EVE (Sorry, CCP, I love you guys.... but BULLETS are REAL). OP: Get over it.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 282	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:31:00 - [30] - Quote All they need to do is give players the option of signing a waiver first. That way CCP can still cover their butts while allowing accounts to be shared. EvE Forum Bingo

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