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The Lady Nighthawk
Curse Of The Chosen Bosch Defence Industries Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:40:00 -
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Hi
I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list
1. military players get punished for playing 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above
I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules
1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared* 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned
etc
it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place.
I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change.
Please like the post if you agree. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2347
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:56:00 -
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Like this post if you disagree.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:09:00 -
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It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2146
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:09:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Like this post if you disagree. Ha ha, nope, I'm not going to let you farm likes. But I also disagree.
Having real life take a toll on your skill points is unfortunate (and there are far better examples of SP-preventing circumstances like illness, which unlike the military, are not voluntary). However, zero tolerance account sharing makes enforcing a host of other rules.
Tolerating account sharing would make situations like these far more complicated:
- That wasn't me isk trading / botting! It was my brother trying to surprise me with lots of ISK for when I got home!
- My ex deleted my characters!
- My account was 'hacked'

Et cetera.
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above These are not reasons to share accounts. These are reasons for you to train and get your own Orca/JF, buy a character, or get your friend to actually use them. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Esha Ditrix
Knights of the posing meat
24
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:14:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Like this post if you disagree. +1
@OP, what exactly do you mean military ppl get punished for playing ? Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it... |

Mr Pragmatic
203
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:15:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
And what do you do internet tough man?
People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.
Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
359
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:15:00 -
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If I can trade ships in a Corp Hangar for my own Alts, two people who know each other in real life can do the same.
If I'm going in to a situation where I can't access a computer to switch out my skills? It's the last thing on my mind. Active militar people all over the world play EVE.
As pointed out, if you trust someone with your password, give them your password. When they steal your Orca, go beating on their door though. I would. |

The Lady Nighthawk
Curse Of The Chosen Bosch Defence Industries Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:19:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
You can always tell when people have no respect for others
I server so you can live a free life you piece of crap
what do you do, work at Walmart
pfft, lol buddy, just lol |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
3178
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:20:00 -
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There is nothing preventing you from sharing your account right now. CCP isn't actively hunting down account sharers. The rule is there because it's a huge source of abuse cases and CCP can't guarantee the integrity of a shared account. Friendships end, disgruntled corpies steal shared corp assets/accounts and people scam others quite intentionally. CCP would rather not waste time dealing with that and losing an account is a huge source of grief and rage quitting, so it's prudent business management to try and minimize such cases. The rule is there to also inform you, that in disputes only one person can claim ownership of an account, things will likely go wrong at some point and when it happens it's all your fault and you're not guaranteed to get anything back. |

Esha Ditrix
Knights of the posing meat
24
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:21:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.. do you seriusly believe that, or is that just what ur taught to say, as to not be branded a non-patriot ? Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it... |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:24:00 -
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Quote: 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above
How about actually getting your Orca and JF pilots online then..... Why the hell do they have them, if they are not actually used when needed?
Quote:People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.
Haha, no. Having an army these days just means using it to bully countries around. There is no honour in it anymore. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3312

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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:29:00 -
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Forum Rules wrote:
4. Be respectful of others at all times.
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
5. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
Thread is locked for a breach of the above rules. If you have any questions regarding the EULA please file a petition either in game via the F12 button or through the forums here - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1057

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Posted - 2012.12.20 10:58:00 -
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I have unlocked the topic, but it did require serious clean up. Discussion of whether account sharing should be legal or not is a valid topic, including giving reasons such as individuals in the military having people change skills for them. However, you should keep discussion of the topic and its reasons non-politically involved and refrain from insulting other posters. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N
40
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:08:00 -
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I believe there should be a way to change your skills through the web site.... this would solve the problem of people being away as they can still get access to do that.
as for sharing accounts.... im not sure on that one.... Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views! |

Kira Vanachura
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:19:00 -
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I don't like account sharing for several reasons: - people will use less alt accounts as they can lend those from others => less income for CCP => nasty consequences for the players - this is Eve: people will steal stuff etc. - this will lead to people losing all their stuff and quitting (I don't expect CCP to even begin undoing all that)
CCP might want to add some feature for players who cannot log into eve for RL issues: - enable skillqueu modification options through Eve gate - maybe add a proxy especially for Eve gate that avoids filtering programs recognizing it as a game website - allow people to set a longer skillqueu, but at a reduced skillpoint rate
You can already share accounts. It's impossible to track, just don't give your password to a guy living on the other side of the world and allow him to log in right after you log off. |

C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
63
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:21:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:I believe there should be a way to change your skills through the web site.... this would solve the problem of people being away as they can still get access to do that.
as for sharing accounts.... im not sure on that one.... ^^^^^^ about skill training changes
I don't like the idea of sharing already existing personal accounts with theft policy. Theft is legal in this game and if it happens through account sharing it shouldn't be illegal there too. It's everyone's own responsibility. But creating new accounts which could be shared on corp/alliance level (and accessable depending on corp/alliance roles and not by knowing the password) could be an interesting thing. |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
272
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:28:00 -
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Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:34:00 -
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The Lady Nighthawk wrote: 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned
If you've shared your account willingly it should be understood that you've consented to let someone else make lasting decisions on that account, that it's no longer "yours", and for that reason you cannot be robbed.
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
272
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:38:00 -
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The Lady Nighthawk wrote:2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned.
You can loose a lot more then isk, ships and items, what if someone decides to repeatedly self destruct your pod without buying a clone? It would leave your account close to useless. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
44
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:41:00 -
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dexington wrote:The Lady Nighthawk wrote:2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned. You can loose a lot more then isk, ships and items, what if someone decides to repeatedly self destruct your pod without buying a clone? It would leave your account close to useless.
Why does that sound familliar.... |

Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:48:00 -
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Sharing of accounts should be allowed. |

Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N
40
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:53:00 -
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dexington wrote:Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance.
This solves the problem right here...
CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!)
Cheers Tib Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10734
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:54:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!) Because it's more than enough to solve the problems it's meant to solve (viz. 3 AM skill changes). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N
40
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:01:00 -
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I remember the days of having to get up at silly times, but why limit it to 24 hours, why not 30 days, or indeed to the length of subscription remaining??
what would be the disadvantage? would this be game breaking?
Cheers Tib Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10734
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:04:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:I remember the days of having to get up at silly times, but why limit it to 24 hours, why not 30 days, or indeed to the length of subscription remaining? Because its only intent is to solve the 3AM skill changes, not to let you accumulate SP without loggin in.
Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:05:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:what would be the disadvantage? would this be game breaking?
It forces people to log into the game, i'm guessing that's the main reason for the 24 hour queue. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

Manar Detri
36
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:12:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:
People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.
Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over.
The current system works perfectly, if something, maybe make the queue time 36 hours to allow queuing some lvl 4 skills with lvl 5 skills. Nothing more is needed, and I don't think we even need to change the 24 hour rule atm.
So why's it set to 24 hours ? Well, it's more than enough time to setup skills to training that will take 24 hours minimum to train, or upto 2 months or more and that, I'm sure is enough or more than enough time for anyone to get time to login.
Second off, there is no entitled soldier, usa is not the world, and usa:s benefit does not equal the worlds benefit, or should this also extend to taleban soldiers ?;) . We could argue about this but this threads not about ur political shortsightedness.
Account sharing, as has been stated earlier, allowing it opens a can of worms that leads to massive account thefts. I do not see any way the current system doesn't work as required. Remember that theres no punishments for account sharing unless someone makes a request to investigate it. |

Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
1
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:13:00 -
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I really hate when people bring the military/veterans into things like this. Not being able to log in to change skills isn't punishment. It's a hazard of your chosen profession. I was in the military for 9 years, and EVE player through three deployments. I ran out skill queues maaaany times while over there, and, I dealt with it. It's no different than any other reason for dropping queue.
Also, I was taught from basic onward, that you never ask for special treatment when a servicemember or veteran. If given, you graciously and humbly accept, but you don't demand others treat you differently because of your duty status.
As for a solution, for military folks, give your account info to someone you trust on rear D, and watch your skills when you can on EVE Gate. |

Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:18:00 -
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I was in the military.
I stopped playing EVE while I was deployed.
People shot at us, we shot back... there was no "clone bay", with a cup of hot coffee and a cigarette waiting...
SERIOUSLY... I had more important things to worry about each day than EVE (Sorry, CCP, I love you guys.... but BULLETS are REAL).
OP: Get over it.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
282
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:31:00 -
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All they need to do is give players the option of signing a waiver first. That way CCP can still cover their butts while allowing accounts to be shared. EvE Forum Bingo |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1127
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:41:00 -
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IIRC about 2 years ago in a ask a dev thread (dont hold me to that, 2 years is a long time to remember the exact where of it) a Dev specifically said they'd stop prosecuting account sharing as a crime, but that if you had an issue where things were stolen from your account and the KNEW you shared, they'd make no effort to return your goods. |

Gotch Urarse
19
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:57:00 -
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There's a lot of 'meta' in this game. How many use alts here for in-game purposes? I don't see why some kind of web enabled front to manage skill queues would be so wrong. As far as it forcing people to log in and play, how many have seen a corp-mate (or done it themselves), "just logging in to manage skills"?
my .02 ISKs |

True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
81
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:32:00 -
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Think of an MMO subscription like a Gym Membership.
Paying a monthly fee gives you exclusive access to services and facilities which are not available to someone not paying their own subscription.
If you have a Gym membership and are in the military, or have any job that involves being away for long periods of time, you cannot give your membership card to a friend to use, the membership is for you.
If your friend fancies using a treadmill and knows you have a membership, he cannot borrow your membership card and use the Gym.
A Gym costs a lot of money to maintain, replacing equipment, cleaning, paying staff, computers etc. an MMO also costs a lot of money to maintain. If you wish to gain access to those benefits you should be paying a subscription too.
If you need access to a Freighter and do not have one, then you should use some of your subscription time to train for and acquire your own and use it yourself. |

True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
81
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:40:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:dexington wrote:Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance. This solves the problem right here... CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!) Cheers Tib
I'll hop in and answer this as I've seen them respond to this in the past, in the end its simply stated as a "eve is a game, we want people to play the game, we think it is wrong that someone should be able to handle a significantly important aspect of the game without even having to log in" |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3009
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:41:00 -
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Why stop at military people. What about people doing more noble tasks like astronauts. What about homeless people that can't always get access to a computer? What about convicts?
The simple answer is life is unfair and you have to deal with your choices. If Eve online is so important to you that you worry about being deployed then perhaps you should do something about that in real life.
Since it's understandably a taboo topic; I won't say anything regarding account sharing other than it's painfully obvious people do it all the time. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1906
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:56:00 -
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The Lady Nighthawk wrote:Hi
I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list
1. military players get punished for playing No they don't. I know plenty of military guys that log on while they are deployed and change skills when they need to. I also seriously doubt CCP is going to find out that you are managing your buddies account for him while he is away. Account sharing is mostly meant to prevent accounts being used 24/7 by 4 or 5 different people. 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned Learn to use an Orca. Then buy one of your own. Or use a POS to store it so everybody can use it that has access. 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above What the hell is a JF? Same as above.
I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules They do. You just don't seem to agree with them.
1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared* No reason for this. 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned So CCP should be responsible for your items that are stolen due to you sharing with someone else at their own cost not only in that they have to spend more time policing your account but also when they are losing money on an account your friend should be using instead of sharing yours? Yeah...no.
etc No.
it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place. No...they really don't. But you are right. It will not be hard to implement since they don't need to implement it at all.
I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change. Again...no...they don't.
Please like the post if you agree. Yeah...I will go read all of the responses now and see how many people disagree with me. Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821 |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
305
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:59:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote: Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
Well I've made multiple requests for skill queues to be linked to eve gate for just such people.
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1472
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:03:00 -
[38] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote:People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.
In reality, certainly. In a computer game, no. Your opinion of them sacrificing their rights is open to debate as there is plenty of military jobs where this is not the case & the fact is, these people choose to have these jobs. They chose to join the military in the first place. It's pointless trying to claim special treatment for being in the military when for all we know, you could be a general hand. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:09:00 -
[39] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content.
So 10+ day skills are what's killing EVE! At last, the culprit is found!

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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1510
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:09:00 -
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"I work for a group that kills people for a living, treat me special or else!" -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
218
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:23:00 -
[41] - Quote
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:Hi
I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list
1. military players get punished for playing 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above
I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules
1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared* 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned
etc
it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place.
I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change.
Please like the post if you agree.
1. You might not believe it, but there are people other than soldiers on this planet who can't play EVE all the time. If work wouldn't send me all across the globe all the time, I'd play more EVE.
2. Your friend can contract you his Orca, before he logs off? What is this? Communism? ;)
3. Basically what you are saying is: If there is a 200 man corp, lets just groom/buy & build 10 toons for the ten players that are online at a time (or the elite) and then they can use the best all the time... Also of course friends, allies & enemies have to guess whom they are talking to. Mark, the stalwart soldier... Or is it Nick, the soap opera actor... Or Jeff, the lumberjack? There should be some consistency even with chars. Or the next big business will be: "Rent a char" |

Mishraile Viliana
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:28:00 -
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There isn't really anything to prevent you from sharing your account. Just ask yourself, if you ask your wife/husband, girlfriend/boyfriend to change your skills or even quickly log in a character to do something and they do this from a location and even computer that you use regularly how is CCP goint to tell that it is an different person then the one the account is registered to?
The main reason that there is a rule that forbids accountsharing is to make sure that you have responsibility for anything that happens with your account and that you cannot hold CCP responsible if the person you decide to trust with your accountinformation decided to steal/destroy everything you have on it, gets you banned for whatever reason or just uses your charecter to really **** of everyone in game to the extent they will hunt you down at any opportunity. And because of this most game will forbid accountsharing mostly to protect themselves from people trying to blame them because they themselves trusted the wrong people. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10881
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:29:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Tippia wrote:Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content. So 10+ day skills are what's killing EVE! At last, the culprit is found!  Nah Eve is dead, didn't you get the memo?
I did notice one thing though. When that Tippia comment flew over your head, it took your wig with it.  
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
218
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:34:00 -
[44] - Quote
Mishraile Viliana wrote:There isn't really anything to prevent you from sharing your account. Just ask yourself, if you ask your wife/husband, girlfriend/boyfriend to change your skills or even quickly log in a character to do something and they do this from a location and even computer that you use regularly how is CCP goint to tell that it is an different person then the one the account is registered to?
The main reason that there is a rule that forbids accountsharing is to make sure that you have responsibility for anything that happens with your account and that you cannot hold CCP responsible if the person you decide to trust with your accountinformation decided to steal/destroy everything you have on it, gets you banned for whatever reason or just uses your charecter to really **** of everyone in game to the extent they will hunt you down at any opportunity. And because of this most game will forbid accountsharing mostly to protect themselves from people trying to blame them because they themselves trusted the wrong people.
Lets be honest: The main reason why most companies forbid account sharing, even if you can have (depending on game) 4-8 full characters in theory - unlike in EVE: It makes more money! ;) A family of four should goddamn have four accounts! (...well, of course if they dooo that... different question...) |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
288
|
Posted - 2012.12.20 22:38:00 -
[45] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote:CausticS0da wrote:It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in. thanks! it was really funny to read 
"they sacrifice... for your rights" oh.... |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
507
|
Posted - 2012.12.20 22:45:00 -
[46] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote: People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in.
I want to take this opportunity to thank all members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard for sacrificing their rights so I can have ... oh wait  I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Rain6637
Team Evil
28
|
Posted - 2012.12.20 23:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
I would have asked my sister to update my skill queue while I was in Iraq, but the thought of EPIC alt spy caused me more stress than peace, so I planned a 24 day skill and left it as something to look forward to when I got home.
lol Vera |

Shalia Ripper
228
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 00:21:00 -
[48] - Quote
My reason to want account sharing is that I would like to share my 2nd account with my son that lives in another state. Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
Signatures have consequences - Malcanis
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:25:00 -
[49] - Quote
Parents sharing with children is an exception to the account sharing rule. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1624
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 00:28:00 -
[50] - Quote
Guys guys guys!
Bunk this whooooole convo and lets all start talking about the REAL solution to this problem.
Pushing out the full CREST API that will then allow us to write apps that could potentially let us change skills with something like a smart phone or any other internet capable device. The Drake is a Lie |

Mund Richard
67
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 00:36:00 -
[51] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:CausticS0da wrote:Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. Well I've made multiple requests for skill queues to be linked to eve gate for just such people. For those horrible-horrible people who do not use the search function for long enough to find an answer from CCP... What did they say?
Sarcasm can be like drugs. |

Julius Priscus
31
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 00:40:00 -
[52] - Quote
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared* 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned
So you share your account with me and I go out and loose your 7b isk mission ship to a kill right. I say **** OFF and you aint getting **** back. that would be YOUR fault for sharing your account.
I am sure as hell convinced this would open more cans of worms than close.
NO to your idea you idiot. speaking of idiots look up goshee in game I am sure he has a place for you in his new alliance. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5838
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 00:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Guys guys guys!
Bunk this whooooole convo and lets all start talking about the REAL solution to this problem.
Pushing out the full CREST API that will then allow us to write apps that could potentially let us change skills with something like a smart phone or any other internet capable device.
This, basically. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |

Alec Stacer
Raven's Flight Nulli Legio
4
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 00:43:00 -
[54] - Quote
I play this game on more than 1 computer, with 2 accounts. How can CCP determine whether or not its me or my little brother. Even though he can't even figure out how to leave the station, he could very well be logging into my account on his computer when Im not home. |

Zol Interbottom
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 02:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
Mr Pragmatic wrote:CausticS0da wrote:It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. *snipped needless insults* - CCP EternePeople in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in. Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over.
no they arent, they break the rules they deserve to be banned like everyone else |

Disciple Amphal
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 02:42:00 -
[56] - Quote
Unofficially you can share your account. You more than likely wont get banned.
Just don't complain when the person you share your account with gets sticky fingers.
EDIT: you're?!?!?!?!?! |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2150
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 02:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
Disciple Amphal wrote:Just don't complain when the person you share your account with gets sticky fingers.
EDIT: you're?!?!?!?!?! It's "your".
"You're" is a contraction for "you are", which is why it doesn't make sense in the context: "the person you share you are account with". Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Disciple Amphal
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:18:00 -
[58] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Disciple Amphal wrote:Just don't complain when the person you share your account with gets sticky fingers.
EDIT: you're?!?!?!?!?! It's "your". "You're" is a contraction for "you are", which is why it doesn't make sense in the context: "the person you share you are account with".
Cool. I initially had "you're" thus the edit.
I don't need your help bro! |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1080
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 03:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
Andski wrote:Xercodo wrote:Guys guys guys!
Bunk this whooooole convo and lets all start talking about the REAL solution to this problem.
Pushing out the full CREST API that will then allow us to write apps that could potentially let us change skills with something like a smart phone or any other internet capable device. This, basically.
My god, I could never log into eve again yet still play it.
Devs get on this stat! |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1626
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 03:48:00 -
[60] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Andski wrote:Xercodo wrote:Guys guys guys!
Bunk this whooooole convo and lets all start talking about the REAL solution to this problem.
Pushing out the full CREST API that will then allow us to write apps that could potentially let us change skills with something like a smart phone or any other internet capable device. This, basically. My god, I could never log into eve again yet still play it. Devs get on this stat!
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73971
beta is live :D The Drake is a Lie |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
279
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 09:06:00 -
[61] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Guys guys guys!
Bunk this whooooole convo and lets all start talking about the REAL solution to this problem.
Pushing out the full CREST API that will then allow us to write apps that could potentially let us change skills with something like a smart phone or any other internet capable device.
If this functionality is added to the CREST API, why not just remove the skill queue?
Being able to make training plans that runs for years, and automatically updates the in-game skill queue, would mean that the queue is no longer needed.
Why maintain the in-game skill queue code, and also develop and maintain the CREST functionality, if it's not needed? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
3
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 13:42:00 -
[62] - Quote
I've been in the military for 9 years and played eve for over 6 of it. I don't believe that military members should be entitled to any additional advantages in terms of skill queing. As others have pointed out before the skill que's you had to either constantly switch skills or get up at odd hours to change skills. If you are deploying or going on a field exercise, train all for racial bs to 4, then when you leave put one on 5 when you leave, if you expect to be gone longer train a capital or freighter skill to 5. And if your account goes a month or two with no training it is not the end of the world. Companies that extend certain discounts or advantages to military members do so out of their own free will. Coming on the forums and complaining about disadvantages you experience due to your chosen profession and asking CCP to make concessions to you make you look less like a warrior and more like the orphan boy Oliver asking "please sir can I have some more". Maybe that was not your intent, but that is certainly the way it came across. |

RomeStar
Astra Research
67
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 14:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
CausticS0da wrote:Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
Yeah you go pick up a rifle and walk the wire or were you born with a silver spoon up your arse. Men have died so you can post this crap so respect it. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
242
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 14:09:00 -
[64] - Quote
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:Hi
I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list
1. military players get punished for playing 2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned 3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above
I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules
1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared* 2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned
etc
it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place.
I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change.
Please like the post if you agree.
Btw champion you can play casual (skills keep going even offline) so there is no punishement dont say your military because iam.... and you can play it casual easy you dont need 24 hours online in eve for some isk. This is more a request let me bot please...
I hope CCP never never agree on this one this is in so many levels wrong. |

Diesel47
painkiller.
329
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 14:45:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Eterne wrote:I have unlocked the topic, but it did require serious clean up. Discussion of whether account sharing should be legal or not is a valid topic, including giving reasons such as individuals in the military having people change skills for them. However, you should keep discussion of the topic and its reasons non-politically involved and refrain from insulting other posters.
Rofl Type40 got owned.
CCP Eterne ftw. |

Abu Shahid
Spartan Advanced Mining
0
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 15:31:00 -
[66] - Quote
It shouldn't be too long until the CREST API systems are implemented; you'll be able to change your skill queues remotely then. No EULA change needed. |

S'No Flake
T-Nation
6
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 15:47:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours. It doesn't matter what military you are in. In reality, certainly. In a computer game, no. Your opinion of them sacrificing their rights is open to debate as there is plenty of military jobs where this is not the case & the fact is, these people choose to have these jobs. They chose to join the military in the first place. It's pointless trying to claim special treatment for being in the military when for all we know, you could be a general hand.
I wish would be that easy. No, not everyone can choose or have a word on this matter. In some places you have to go, or ... go to jail... or worst. |

EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
157
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 15:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
Never share your account info, I could see some kind of extended skill queue for active military ( of any Nation )
Remember your wife could become your Ex wife and just think of all the nasty things she could do with your poor EvE guy. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
777
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 23:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
I always though that account sharing was one of these "don't get caught" things. You know you shouldn't, you know it's a huge security risk. But also there are people you trust, and certain situations where it's necessary...(in the hospital and POS running out of fuel, etc). I was unaware that CCP was actively policing this and if they were- how can they? By IP? What about people who travel? By GUID? What about people with more than one computer? There's no way to prove categorically that I am NOT logged in to my account.
On the other hand if your account gets hijacked, well, tough luck. |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
829
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 23:44:00 -
[70] - Quote
Reason I would support some form of account sharing:
I want to share my stuff with my son or brother or close friend...
Problems with account sharing....
1.) Someone could steal your account. --- They could change your account info and make off with it, and I don't think CCP should have to "sort it out". That's a blatant waste of their resources, and it opens up a whole can of worms in proving who's account it actually is...
2.) Someone could sabotage your account, botting, RMT'ing, etc... --- If this happens, the account, and all correlated accounts should be banned.. .even if it wasn't you...
3.) Someone could ruin your account... Cause lots of SP loss, cause massive loss of assets, etc... --- If you share your account, this risk should be completely on you... If someone empties out your stuff and causes massive losses, you shouldn't have any recourse... but people will still file petitions and bring CCP into it...
In general, you can cause much, much more damage to a person when you get ahold of there account than you could through any "in-game" means... and as such, needs a little more attention.
The problem is, people don't take personal responsibility, and will whine ***** and moan to CCP about their "losses". CCP shouldn't have to deal with this, and frankly the only way to prevent it is to ban account sharing...
Personally, I think CCP's policy on account sharing should be.... If you share an account, and it creates a "problem" that escalates to CCP's GM's, then the account get's banned. In other words, it should be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
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Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
45
|
Posted - 2012.12.21 23:54:00 -
[71] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote: In other words, it should be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
So what you are saying is that account sharing is g^H^H oops don't want to get the thread locked again!
Also, what if someone is totally sick of the sado-masochistic nature of the game, hate where CCP is taking it but have a kickass character with lots of SP and want to let someone else (who is into S&M) enjoy it?
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
184
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 01:30:00 -
[72] - Quote
CausticS0da wrote:
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
Probably the same place where you get your sense of entitlement to liberty.
Instead of account sharing, how about we get the ability to rent things out? Temporary contracts with an expiration that make the item exempt from sale. Much like a hauler contract the renter could require a certain amount of collateral to ensure the rentee doesn't do anything stupid. |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1523
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 03:30:00 -
[73] - Quote
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: In other words, it should be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
So what you are saying is that account sharing is g^H^H oops don't want to get the thread locked again! Also, what if someone is totally sick of the sado-masochistic nature of the game, hate where CCP is taking it but have a kickass character with lots of SP and want to let someone else (who is into S&M) enjoy it? Sticks and stones may break my bones But whips and cuffs excite me! -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1085
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 03:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
RomeStar wrote:CausticS0da wrote:Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from. Yeah you go pick up a rifle and walk the wire or were you born with a silver spoon up your arse. Men have died so you can post this crap so respect it.
As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though.
EDIT: But I'm perfectly fine with someone logging in on a soldiers account and training skills for him. The Soldier joins intending to do service to the body politic. It's not his fault that it's corrupt. |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1523
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 03:41:00 -
[75] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though. I dare say it's been more than the past 10 years. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1086
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 03:48:00 -
[76] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though. I dare say it's been more than the past 10 years.
X-com UFO Defense game out in 1994 and I"m not convinced it wasn't a documentary yet. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2884
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 04:39:00 -
[77] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though. I dare say it's been more than the past 10 years.
Gentlemen, these are the most ignorant statements I have seen either one of you make since you began posting on this board.
Both of you are far more intelligent than this.
Furthermore I don't believe the OP said anything about only the US military. Many countries actually respect the people that risk their lives and futures for the sake of others (whom often are not citizens of the country the soldier represents). Perhaps Americans have been secure from outside threat for so long that they are more prone than others to taking for granted (and disrespecting) the very people that have dedicated their lives to protecting them from harm.
As to the original topic, people in this game get far to fixated on accumulating skill points... when they should be focused on utilizing the skill points (and personal skills) they already possess to their maximum potential for generating fun.
Enjoyment is the point to this game, not being in a mad rush to accumulate skill points.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
491
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 09:49:00 -
[78] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Gentlemen, these are the most ignorant statements I have seen either one of you make since you began posting on this board. Enlighten us please.
Damn nature, you scary! |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1355
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 10:53:00 -
[79] - Quote
Full rights and privileges account sharing should probably not be allowed HOWEVER a "sitter" status should be grantable to any number of characters. Appointing "sitters" should have rights management systems vaguely similar to corp rights management systems, wherein you grant access to certain parts of your own rights to different CHARACTERS.
Possible grantable rights to a sitter (each subright being an individual checkbox, and some also containing input boxes): - add, ppend, insert, delete and/or push out skills to/from queue - local / homebase / general personal hangar access and/or container access - wallet access, with optional max allowed transfer limit - modify / cancel / place market orders and/or contracts (requires wallet access with enough to the wallet limit, and some hangar access for new order placement)
You don't actually LOG IN to a "sat" character, you access it via an interface in your own account, and the stuff you can do is limited to what the target character can do at his location, and is limited to what COULD THEORETICALLY BE DONE VIA TEXT MODE ONLY (i.e. web page access). And while we're at it, please give full access to all of the above to oneself VIA EVEGATE 
Accessing an account could be doable in one (or both) of two ways: - a new tab (probably under char management) with a list of accounts that have appointed you as sitter - from the target character showinfo, a new "you are a sittter to this character" button
You can decline and block the appointment as sitter to any character, or you can set a "automatically reject sitter appointments" status (for all people, or just for people not in your contact list -> this later one would be the default).
You could probably even add a "allow any sitter for skillqueue appends" option -> ANYBODY in the game, when viewing your character profile, if you have any free space in your skillqueue, they can add any skill at the very end.
Optionally, all of the above could be made to be accessible via EVEGATE too. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |

Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
912
|
Posted - 2012.12.22 10:59:00 -
[80] - Quote
Like Akita said, allow the account holder to set certain privileges similar to API, then allow linking it to another person who can only access the account with those privileges.
E: This will obviously be abused, but the damages probably won't be so bad so long as there are restrictions. |
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