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Lahnea
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:17:00 -
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Hi there,
I've often seen people talking about bumping freighters or titans etc. and getting really mad over it. I'm watching a youtube vid right now where the guy says these frigs will be podded if they bump the titan.
What's wrong with bumping it? It'll move a little. So what? Not sure I understand the fuss behind it.
Sorry if this thread is in the wrong place, not sure where else it could go. It's not a discussion specific to anything as far as I know. |
The PiMan Eatme
Public Haulage And Trade
10
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:22:00 -
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Bumping a freighter is a way of stopping it warping until extra alpha can arrive to gank it, the reason people say bump the Titan and you die is its quite easy for a spy alt to bump a Titan out of POS shield far enough for a ship in local to decloak, light a cyno and hotdrop it. |
Sarmea Moon
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
96
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:22:00 -
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This thread is going places.
On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.
If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
618
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:23:00 -
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Try to warp away from a gate with someone bumping you.
Try to dock at a station with someone bumping you out of docking range.
Try and mine with someone bumping you out of mining range.
Etc. Now think about how you can stop them ... |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
3188
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:24:00 -
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Misaligning a friendly titan(not an agile ship) and therefore increasing the risk of it getting tackled and hotdropped is an automatic death sentence and a well earned one at that. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1630
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:25:00 -
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Aligning in EVE is all about speed and the direction of that speed, not the direction the ship is facing.
Bumping throws off this direction vector.
If done the right way it can actually help aligning by 99% of the time it **** with aligning.
In the case of bumping miners it's possible to bump them far enough that fall out of mining range.
The Drake is a Lie |
Lahnea
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:25:00 -
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Sarmea Moon wrote:This thread is going places.
On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.
If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)
I am asking genuinely, if that's what your trying to say. I knew about bumping miners out of range, but generally I don't see Titans fit for mining. Freighters neither.
Stopping warp makes sense, but how could something bump a titan all the way out of a shield? Surely it could just turn round and fly back in? |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
582
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:26:00 -
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Bumping a super cap is a kill-worthy offense in pretty much any alliance capable of fielding them. When you're piloting something worth 50 billion ISK (and more) it's just not worth the risk to let people bump you all over the place.
Bumping, leave it alone. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10886
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:28:00 -
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Lahnea wrote:What's wrong with bumping? Nothing.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2883
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:33:00 -
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In regards to bumping a Titan it's hard enough to get an entire fleet close enough to a Titan to be able to use it's jump bridge when activated. Try doing that when it's being bumped, and then more pilots bump it while trying to squeeze back into range.
You can waste an awful lot of time messing with that, hot drop situations aside.
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If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1630
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:37:00 -
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With enough force you can bump a titan into moving faster than the titan can move on it's own.
The titan would take twice the time to get back into the shield than it took to bump it out, and that's not even factoring in the time it takes for a titan to slow down from the bump and reverse direction.
The Drake is a Lie |
Darvaleth Sigma
Moonraker Mutual Industries Co operative
Fortuna Alliance
99
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:39:00 -
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Titans need some kind of Supercapital MWD... that would make for hilarious bumping.
Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
848
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:40:00 -
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Bumping: CCP approved. More importantly, I approve of bumping too.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
581
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:00:00 -
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Bumping supers and such gets you instantly primaried as you're putting a 80bn isk alliance asset at risk through either idiocy or lack of skill. Either way it won't end well for you.
Bumping freighters and such is what people do to avoid getting aggression by using warp disruptors. It's basically taking advantage of the game mechanics not knowing if a bump is a "hostile act" (and as such responded to by Concord) or not. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
4664
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:02:00 -
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New Eden's medical insurance doesn't cover whiplash... they consider it an injury only primitives get 
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1242
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:12:00 -
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What's wrong with bumping you ask ?
It's stupid.
And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
314
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:19:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers.
Non-EVE gamers don't matter.
Also, nothing is wrong with bumping in a PvP game like EVE. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:27:00 -
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Anything sub-BS-sized should immediately blow up if bumping a cap. That would be awesome. Think egg hitting pavement from 50 feet up.
Bumping miners seems just annoying. Which is why miners SHOULD gang up and pop the bumpers. Getting ganked every time you show up in a belt to bump someone would be sweet. :) Just use and recycle alts like the gankers do.
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1243
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:28:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers. Non-EVE gamers don't matter. Also, nothing is wrong with bumping in a PvP game like EVE.
It's still stupid. Nothing has changed after your comment. It didn't fix that.
edit: A correct staement though is : Nothing is gained from bumping in a PVP game like EVE.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
3189
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:30:00 -
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Even the basic EVE-keyboard knows this. |
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Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size
The Rat Race
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:49:00 -
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Lahnea wrote:Hi there,
I've often seen people talking about bumping freighters or titans etc. and getting really mad over it. I'm watching a youtube vid right now where the guy says these frigs will be podded if they bump the titan.
What's wrong with bumping it? It'll move a little. So what? Not sure I understand the fuss behind it.
Sorry if this thread is in the wrong place, not sure where else it could go. It's not a discussion specific to anything as far as I know.
If you're talking about that hilariously overbearing EVE Uni video where the american tells a newbie that if he bumps a titan he gets podded, and the video goes on interminably, with little actual content, I think i know the one you mean.
While other posters on here have already answered your question, i felt that this was the opportune moment to say "I'll never get that time back that i wasted watching that awful video".
...on the plus side, i did end up finding out about R&K and their eye watering, pant-wettingly incredible videos, so not a total loss. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
edit: A correct staement though is : Nothing is gained from bumping in a PVP game like EVE.
That's not technically true. Bumping ships to prevent them from warping and allowing time for friends to show up is indeed a GAIN on the scale in PVP. No bump, he/she gets away. Bump, chance he/she dies. In a KM whoring world like null, that's a gain.
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:18:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Looks like the Control Panel for a Drake to me. Yet It's odly Matari. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
84
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:51:00 -
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Every collision in EVE is treated as a rough perfectly elastic collision.
This means that it is fully possible to knock a ship beyond what it can get back to in a sane period of time.
This technique was primarily used in an offensive manner to prevent capitals from escaping.
Then it was used as a means of moving ships away from where they can be defended.
Thus resulting in there fairly swift demise.
Now it is used as "harassment" against miners. (Give me a generic word that fits and is not a made up word, please)
Given that bumping equates to a hostile action by disabling the usage of ship systems as well as being a frequent prelude to a hostile ordnance to ship interface, there exists a quite vocal feeling that doing so is an aggressive action.
However despite its history as such, CCP has declared in the same method as ganking never being for profit that bumping is allowed.
Now beyond having ships never collide there are few options to deal with bumping.
You can gank them, you can try and use various prop manipulators to avoid them, or you could safe log off (Thank you CCP)
Prop modding tends to be a delaying measure, and ganking costs money and has many people upset if it can even be done (do not try ganking a Mach, well at least if you arent willing to lose almost as much)
Safe logging is the only current method capable of stopping them.
So basically its a aggressive tactic to which there is no legal recourse and thus irks a considerable part of the victims.
Mean while the bumpers laud it as a sign of skill and some form of justice (probably a result of space madness induced by their lack of testosterone) and crow in much the way you hear leet pvp players.
Meanwhile we true PVPers prefer to use the far more reliable warp scrambler and stasis webber followed by truly effective weapon hull interface systems. |
Diremage
Stability Critically Disrupted
Seekers of the Unseen
10
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:15:00 -
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Ganking is not for profit? Has someone told all the gankers lined up around Jita?
Regarding bumping a capital out of POS shields: I know at least one case where unoccupied capital ships were bumped out of POS shields, and then a gang of hostiles flew off with them intact.
You can use the same method to bump an occupied capital out of POS shields and then blow it up while it scrambles to get back in or warp out. |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
159
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:25:00 -
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Bumping is a feature that hopefully one day will be eliminated.
Preferably replaced with proper collision damage and/or at the very least properly take into account sizes and masses (assuming that scales gets properly fixed as well). Cause real ramming would be pretty nifty for starters - assuming a proper implementation is ever found that is.
Whilst this current feature may seem "fun" - probably primarily for those who do use it, from an immersion point of view it's rather...stupid to put it kindly on quite a few levels. Anything less than a capital ship shouldn't even make a titan nudge for starters. Logically speaking.
All in all, bumping and collisions in general is EVE's Benny Hill when it comes to immersion.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
251
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:00:00 -
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Lahnea wrote:I knew about bumping miners out of range, but generally I don't see Titans fit for mining.
http://eve-files.com/chribba/mining_tango.jpg |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
583
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:08:00 -
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Bumping definitely reduces the realism in Eve. Small ships bumping large ones should result in the small ship getting massive damage with maybe a dented armor plate on the large ship, not the large ship moving miles away like it was made of cardboard
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1243
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:31:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:Bumping definitely reduces the realism in Eve. Small ships bumping large ones should result in the small ship getting massive damage with maybe a dented armor plate on the large ship, not the large ship moving miles away like it was made of cardboard
Like I said. It's just stupid.
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Lugia3
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
149
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:03:00 -
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Sarmea Moon wrote:This thread is going places.
On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.
If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)
You stole my line!
Yes though. This thread is going places.
Give drones some love:
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