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On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.

If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)

What's wrong with bumping?

And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers.

Non-EVE gamers don't matter.

Also, nothing is wrong with bumping in a PvP game like EVE.

Hi there,

I've often seen people talking about bumping freighters or titans etc. and getting really mad over it. I'm watching a youtube vid right now where the guy says these frigs will be podded if they bump the titan.

What's wrong with bumping it? It'll move a little. So what? Not sure I understand the fuss behind it.

Sorry if this thread is in the wrong place, not sure where else it could go. It's not a discussion specific to anything as far as I know.

edit: A correct staement though is : Nothing is gained from bumping in a PVP game like EVE.

Even the basic EVE-keyboard knows this.

I knew about bumping miners out of range, but generally I don't see Titans fit for mining.

Bumping definitely reduces the realism in Eve. Small ships bumping large ones should result in the small ship getting massive damage with maybe a dented armor plate on the large ship, not the large ship moving miles away like it was made of cardboard

This thread is going places.


On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.

If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)

Bumping definitely reduces the realism in Eve. Small ships bumping large ones should result in the small ship getting massive damage with maybe a dented armor plate on the large ship, not the large ship moving miles away like it was made of cardboard

far more reliable warp scrambler and stasis webber followed by truly effective weapon hull interface systems.

Looks like the Control Panel for a Drake to me. Yet It's odly Matari.

Gotta nerf ganking even more I see.

So we should all get battleships and smash miners? Or perhaps you only want it one way, so the miners are never hurt?

I am asking genuinely, if that's what your trying to say. I knew about bumping miners out of range, but generally I don't see Titans fit for mining. Freighters neither.

Stopping warp makes sense, but how could something bump a titan all the way out of a shield? Surely it could just turn round and fly back in?

Someone needs a lesson on the intertia stats on a Titan, it's like trying to turn a big rig.

Why cant ships cause damage when they crash into one another.

I remember when I was new to the game there were two things which really annoyed me initially. One was warping through planets, and the other was the utterly stupid way that a ship can ram full speed into an object and simply bounce off it. I even stopped playing afterwards and then only took up the game again a few years later.

Next time you undock out of a trade hub... watch the ships. Now think of if damage was involved.

Say what you will about it, I don't think I ever laughed so hard playing EVE. Bumping is hilarious good fun.

I think bumping another ship should just be made more realistic, if not causing damage then at least just cause the shield to reflect the blow in a more realistic manner, and sort out how smaller ships can cause larger ships to go flying without any damage to the smaller ship. If an orca hits into a slasher for instance then it should crush through it without any effect on the orca.

For the same reason there are so many bad comedies made: small minds are too easily and lazily amused.

Who's to blame, James 315 or Goons, For making a 10 year old feature that was very rarely moaned about into one of the most bitched about topics we got on here without CCP actually changing any thing?

I don't blame either. What else is there to do these days in the PvP world that doesn't require a lot of isk and/or effort but blob, grief or gank. The problems leading to this are not new, just more pronounced.

If you read the X is dead threads (there are many), I'm beginning to think this is more a testament of what the game is turning into, (rather than it being a niche sport as it was) and some people are not real happy to see that happening.

So you're basically saying. "Even though what you are doing is part of the game, you shouldn't enjoy it or do it."

Glad I never have to play Chess or any other game with you tbh.

Chess is a game with incredibly strict rules and mechanics. Also, the judges would get a bit disturbed if you just came in at any angle and 'bumped' your opponents queen straight off the board. Like using a Rook on the diagonal.


Also, If something ingame does not bring any benefit, what's the point ?......is my point. The whole thing is actually zero ISK/hour and a waste of time. At least if you pop those who are AFK, you can get Bounty now in most cases.

Dumb, dumb mechanic for lulz and nothing else. I play for something more substantioal than lulz.

But like I said above, small, petty minds are too easily amused.

Just because you don't see a benefit, doesn't mean there isn't one. Lulz or not.

The dumb part comes when others try to dictate how someone should, or shouldn't play the game.

You don't appear to be able to even list one benefit.

I don't believe anyone is dictating any playstyle here. Just pointing out nonsense when it reveals itself.

You don't appear to have even asked. Which is not quite the same now, is it?

Stopping people getting into warp.

You're playing the attempt to ridicule them card, or is it the attempt to belittle them card. Either way, it's made in an attempt to change minds and play style.
Poor dictation and mind games I grant, but why would that stop you? I'm just pointing out nonsense.

Next time you undock out of a trade hub... watch the ships. Now think of if damage was involved.

You still refuse to list a benefit.

You have changed absolutely nobody's mind.

2012: The Uedama Bump war

Bump wars and the saga of AFK Ice miners.

And think of what sort of traffic control a space hub would have if this wasn't a game.

Bump for damage: High slot 'Ram' weapon. Damage based on ram size. Range 1500, massive single target damage.The ram could be to the smartbomb what the new doomsday is to the old doomsday.

Gallente get a flaming torch of doom, Caldari get a kinetic-damage spear, Minmatar get an exploding club, and Amarr get a laser sword.

Admit it, you'd mount one just for the lightsaber.

I admit nothing, but I won't deny it either.

Bump for damage: High slot 'Ram' weapon. Damage based on ram size. Range 1500, massive single target damage.The ram could be to the smartbomb what the new doomsday is to the old doomsday.

Gallente get a flaming torch of doom, Caldari get a kinetic-damage spear, Minmatar get an exploding club, and Amarr get a laser sword.

Admit it, you'd mount one just for the lightsaber.

The way ships undock right on top of each other is stupid anyway, if they undocked in a normal manner then you wouldn't have the problem of bumping outside stations anyway. Ships should undock leaving more of a gap, and if there are too many people trying to undock at once then they should be put in a que until it is safe to undock.

I think bumping another ship should just be made more realistic, if not causing damage then at least just cause the shield to reflect the blow in a more realistic manner, and sort out how smaller ships can cause larger ships to go flying without any damage to the smaller ship. If an orca hits into a slasher for instance then it should crush through it without any effect on the orca.

Perhaps have bumping do nothing without a lock on the bumpee, in doing so bumping a locked target it accrues a suspect (or potentially LE) flag. Problem solved. Bumping alive and well as a combat tactic (you're already shooting or about to, right?), it's still all good as any other irritation tactic. Only real change is now it has *some* risk attached.

Tell me me a good reason this wont work? IMO this is right up there with the old neutral RR wardecs in high sec.

well. this is first real good post about bumping on these forums.

Only one thing i see here: bumpers. They don't want risk.

Perhaps have bumping do nothing without a lock on the bumpee, in doing so bumping a locked target it accrues a suspect (or potentially LE) flag.

Problem solved.

That would be weird... only have bumps work if targetted? Freighters and miners get targetted and then bumped. Targetting giving a flag would be very VERY bad for everyone everywhere.

@Mag's: I view being able to *directly* affect other peoples gameplay without meaningful or remotely interesting equivalent direct possibilities for repercussions a) problematic and b) cowardly. It's a hostile act against another vessel and there are NO real combat related solutions. If you do not see such actions a problem, that is your peroggative. I prefer a world where actions have consequence. Consequence is currently massively lacking from hostile bumping. As I said, it is like neutral RR in high sec in the past - it might be within the rules, but such actions are for the weak imph.

There are combat related solutions. You can shoot them.

You idea is bad, because of the many unwarranted side effects. But I guess that doesn't matter to you, as long as E-Honour is accounted for. Amirite?

Thus they hide behind concord.

I asked a serious question - so what are the side effects I've not thought of? What's a demonstrable downside to this? That ECM breaks it? pfft.

Bumping a freighter is a way of stopping it warping until extra alpha can arrive to gank it, the reason people say bump the Titan and you die is its quite easy for a spy alt to bump a Titan out of POS shield far enough for a ship in local to decloak, light a cyno and hotdrop it.

Remove NPC corps. Problem solved.

That's kinda the point.

Welcome to high sec.

I already named them.

What? logis?

Who would be assisting the bumper? If they are, I fail to see the issue. Assisting the bumpee, nothing ha changed afaik.

Apologies if I'm being dim, I've had a few but I genuinely can;t see how this hurts logis, please explain - I'm not a logi driver.

This mechanic would need to differentiate between who meant to bump someone and who didn't, so it could flag the naughty one. Good luck with that.

Your idea boils down to creating a problem and unwarranted side effects, to solve no problem. Unless you think people should be flagged, simply because they annoy you?

It's already kind of calculated by the impact results.

Besides, the chances of the "bumpee" in a non-combat situation having the bumper targetting *should* mitigate the risk of accidental issues to near zero. There would be relatively straightforward ways to mitigate it further.

I don't think they should be flagged because they annoy me, I think they should be flagged because it is right & proper. Much like I used to think the old RR gangs should have been flagged too.



I suppose my closing question is: Why do you think people taking an overtly hostile action should be so protected?

Indeed, we can agree to disagree.

But what you may call an overtly hostile act, is not deemed so by either concord, or their masters CCP.

Indeed, and I feel it should change . A dev even coined the term poor mans point, iirc. I would sure be interesting to hear their thoughts on it, although I fear the following threadnought would kill the internet

Indeed, and I feel it should change . A dev even coined the term poor mans point, iirc. I would sure be interesting to hear their thoughts on it, although I fear the following threadnought would kill the internet

Yes, CCP should change things for the convenience and safety of people in highsec.

They have already given their thoughts on it.

Oh and I added an edit to that post, just before you quoted it.

Yes, I simply feel one should be able to shoot wise-ass people more easily before concord wades in .

Then we shall have to disagree.


My argument is simply that an overtly hostile act should be treated as such. Tell me why it shouldn't? I think that should change.


I've never 'accidentally' bumped something I had locked, in much the same way I've never had a negligent smartbomb discharge, or accidentally shot a ship...just paying attention I suppose.


Edit: Alternatively, perhaps, why should the mechanic remain? I'm not in favor of removal, I like the 'poor mans point' tactic, it's inventive.

However, I do not like the current status quo. It feels wrong on several levels to me. Personal opinion of course.

War dec them.

Auto Target back.
I target you.
Newbie has left Auto target back on, targets me.
I disable targetting on my end.
They stay locked.
Now if I bump them. they are the one who has me locked.
They get whatever consequences result from a 'hostile' act.

One easy step of abuse.

Yes, I too would like to wardec the NPC corps. Please ask CCP to let me do this, so I can follow your advice.

What's wrong with bumping?

I may be wrong on this, but, why not make bumping just generate a limited engagement? Someone bumps my barge, I get on the batphone, call some corpmates over, fleet up, and violence the bumper's spacecanoe. Innocent bumps can be ignored, malicious bumps can be responded to, if you have the resources.

This, of course, assumes fleet members can get involved in limited engagements, like they could before with canbaiting and such.

This would be pretty terrible hilarious on the Jita undock.