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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.06 11:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Sweetpain
Edited by: Sweetpain on 06/06/2005 01:
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.06.06 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
THERE IS NO MORAL BASIS FOR MY OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT. |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:08:00 -
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If miners in 0.9 and 1.0 are not rich, then the ore thieves can not become rich.
If they are rich, they have nothing to worry about.
Think about the arguements you make, people here love pointing out a paradox.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Corvus Dove on 06/06/2005 13:14:52
Being as I ore thief when broke and unable to find targets in low sec, I find it hard to believe they're all alts.
In fact, I know quite a few people who thieve with their mains.
TBH I kinda stopped reading your post after reading that miners aren't getting rich in high-sec, but ore thieves are. Considering an ore thief usually can't pop a can, and I've seen barges stripping roids in 0.8 and above in teams of three or more, I have to call shenanigans. It's simply mathematically impossible, given the ratio of mined ore to what the typical ore thief actually steals. Some thieves may get rich by hopping from system to system stealing ore, but at the end of the day they're typically making about as much as one mining team while lowering the profits of several down to the level of one really persisten ore thief. That's balance; more people are making the same amount of money without any one getting enormously rich.
I'm not sure how a stack limit would accomplish much more than lag, irritation, and people using "select all" to steal ore.
Again, you're trying to discourage ore thieves, and that's bad for EVE. To control the wild drop in mineral prices (thus making all manufacturers rediculously rich, because most will not lower their prices in exact proportion) the devs would have to uber-nerf jetcans altogether, killing jet can mining.
The only reason that can is so big is because commonly the loot from a destroyed vessel takes up more space than its cargo hold. You can't shrink it, with freighters around the corner.
Edit: Personally, I use no alts. Why should I? I'm a perfectly horrible human being with my main, no need to hide behind an alt.
Logic strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 999.9 damage.
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
If miners in 0.9 and 1.0 are not rich, then the ore thieves can not become rich.
If they are rich, they have nothing to worry about.
Think about the arguements you make, people here love pointing out a paradox.
do you give away the isk you steal from the rich to the poor as well? your name is maybe Robin Hood as well?
if you spot a Imicus mining in to a can do you steal their ore? offcourse you do. Do you care how long it taken them to mine it? offcourse not. do you care if its mined with a newbie ship or a ship with 3 strip miners. offcourse not.
when all comes down to it its quick isk, with no risk.
cause your just out making balance. And you talk about Paradox? 
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
TBH I kinda stopped reading your post after reading that miners aren't getting rich in high-sec,
Have a feeling you do that a lot.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sweetpain
Originally by: Corvus Dove
TBH I kinda stopped reading your post after reading that miners aren't getting rich in high-sec,
Have a feeling you do that a lot.
That's because you say silly, illogical things very often.
And you can't pick your mark by the ship they're using, unless it's a strip miner. If they're in an Imicus solo in a belt, it's not worth it usually. If they've got a hauler moving the ore as the Imicus finishes up, time to bolt for that can before the hauler gets to it. If the Imicus has three different time-labelled cans around it, yank away.
You shouldn't "not steal" from newbs just because they're newbs, TBH. I can't enter 0.9 or 1.0 anyway, so personally I don't, but if a new player starts jet-can mining (or anything else as risky) then they should face the risk like any other player. Otherwise, they'll turn into one of those people who thinks jet can mining safely is a right, not a lucky draw.
Fact is, most *truly new* players don't know about jet-can mining until someone teaches them. So it's not really the newbs suffering from ore thieves.
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.06 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sweetpain
Originally by: Avon
If miners in 0.9 and 1.0 are not rich, then the ore thieves can not become rich.
If they are rich, they have nothing to worry about.
Think about the arguements you make, people here love pointing out a paradox.
do you give away the isk you steal from the rich to the poor as well? your name is maybe Robin Hood as well?
if you spot a Imicus mining in to a can do you steal their ore? offcourse you do. Do you care how long it taken them to mine it? offcourse not. do you care if its mined with a newbie ship or a ship with 3 strip miners. offcourse not.
when all comes down to it its quick isk, with no risk.
cause your just out making balance. And you talk about Paradox?
A choice between an imicus or a big macro mining op, which do you think the ore thief is going to choose?
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.06 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Sweetpain
Originally by: Avon
If miners in 0.9 and 1.0 are not rich, then the ore thieves can not become rich.
If they are rich, they have nothing to worry about.
Think about the arguements you make, people here love pointing out a paradox.
do you give away the isk you steal from the rich to the poor as well? your name is maybe Robin Hood as well?
if you spot a Imicus mining in to a can do you steal their ore? offcourse you do. Do you care how long it taken them to mine it? offcourse not. do you care if its mined with a newbie ship or a ship with 3 strip miners. offcourse not.
when all comes down to it its quick isk, with no risk.
cause your just out making balance. And you talk about Paradox?
A choice between an imicus or a big macro mining op, which do you think the ore thief is going to choose?
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"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Dracolich
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Posted - 2005.06.07 13:26:00 -
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Those who actually thinks that ore thieving is the reason why the jet can exploit won't get nerfed, are maybe thinking a bit too highly of themselves. Fact: There are 1000s of miners and lets face it, not too many ore thieves; the main reason it doesnt get nerfed, as I see it, is that CCP didnt really think too much when they planned how miners should actually mine, and now if they nerfed it, many would quit mining, unless they have a helping haulers hand(which all really should have);thus making all kind of builds more expensive.
Those who think that they are proud that they are taking cans, and think its in the line of piracy, well... nub is all i can think of. I dont care about ore thieves really coz miners shouldnt really be mining in systems where there are 100s of ppl, so their own fault really, what is an annuisance are the ones that steal cargo cans, I do think that all people really dislikes that, pirat or not. That is really the lowest of the lowest, and CCP really should taking care of that.
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Fogy
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Posted - 2005.06.07 15:34:00 -
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OFF TOPIC PLZ STFU! AND GO BACK TO YOUR COVETOR VS VELDSPAR Fighting..
Tenja: How much can you fitt in a Itty5 with that settup you explain there? speed etc etc..(think you forgot to mention :) )
like the "Player developed features" you and other non-alt thiefs put into the game, personaly i prefere thous who does it in a roleplaying way.
looking forward for part3, as its what im mostly curious about. (i like hunting  )
Cheers!
Fogy
"From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
♥RUBRA♥
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GBBUTT
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Posted - 2005.06.08 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Doesn't belong in crime & punishment....
Hmm pretty sure the act of stealing is a crime...schise....i better go steal a big ass LCD screen now...i aint gonna get busted WOOOOOOO
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.08 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dracolich
Those who actually thinks that ore thieving is the reason why the jet can exploit won't get nerfed, are maybe thinking a bit too highly of themselves. Fact: There are 1000s of miners and lets face it, not too many ore thieves; the main reason it doesnt get nerfed, as I see it, is that CCP didnt really think too much when they planned how miners should actually mine, and now if they nerfed it, many would quit mining, unless they have a helping haulers hand(which all really should have);thus making all kind of builds more expensive.
Those who think that they are proud that they are taking cans, and think its in the line of piracy, well... nub is all i can think of. I dont care about ore thieves really coz miners shouldnt really be mining in systems where there are 100s of ppl, so their own fault really, what is an annuisance are the ones that steal cargo cans, I do think that all people really dislikes that, pirat or not. That is really the lowest of the lowest, and CCP really should taking care of that.
Excuse me, but I'm the lowest of the low dammit, and I think it would ruin my day and this game if CCP were to come in and say I couldn't be the lowest of the low anymore because of some moral objection.
EVE isn't the USA, and CCP aren't the GOP, so quit treating both like they are and start solving your own problems. 
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.06.16 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: GBBUTT
Originally by: MadGaz
Doesn't belong in crime & punishment....
Hmm pretty sure the act of stealing is a crime...schise....i better go steal a big ass LCD screen now...i aint gonna get busted WOOOOOOO
But we're not stealing, we're moving garbage.
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Rich Head
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Posted - 2005.06.18 01:49:00 -
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Two unbiased thoughts on this:
1. Noobs should be warned about ore thieves by the tutorial agent...eg. mining in high sec space has it's downsides. Once warned they may not decide to jetcan in high sec space.
2. The ore thieves need to think outside the free isk box....the more noobs they steal from will eventually lead to less noobs to steal from.
Maybe it's time for CCP to think about introducing mining training grounds as well as deadspace one's. Let the new players see what can happen.
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Alexander Nocturnes
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Posted - 2005.06.18 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: GBBUTT
Originally by: MadGaz
Doesn't belong in crime & punishment....
Hmm pretty sure the act of stealing is a crime...schise....i better go steal a big ass LCD screen now...i aint gonna get busted WOOOOOOO
You dont get punished for stealing ore, therefor it is not a crime. You dont get flagged, lose sec status etc...
You are a glorified hauler lol
But whatever floats your boat 
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Jim Lovell
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Posted - 2005.06.19 11:09:00 -
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but the funny thing is ore thieves think we really care about them...
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.19 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: GBBUTT
Originally by: MadGaz
Doesn't belong in crime & punishment....
Hmm pretty sure the act of stealing is a crime...schise....i better go steal a big ass LCD screen now...i aint gonna get busted WOOOOOOO
You can do it if you`ll find it in rubbish bin.
Jetcan = space rubbish bin.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: AlexK100
Originally by: GBBUTT
Originally by: MadGaz
Doesn't belong in crime & punishment....
Hmm pretty sure the act of stealing is a crime...schise....i better go steal a big ass LCD screen now...i aint gonna get busted WOOOOOOO
You can do it if you`ll find it in rubbish bin.
Jetcan = space rubbish bin.
you m8 have a point all hail the garbage men of eve uhmm and women in their giant garbage trucks
/me jettisons toilet tank into space "argh oops well no worries im sure tenaj will be right around the corner" 
http://www.snigg.cjb.net/
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2005.06.29 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shiner BockBeer on 29/06/2005 21:52:19
When are we getting lesson three?
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2005.06.29 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
Edited by: Shiner BockBeer on 29/06/2005 21:52:19
When are we getting lesson three?
Coming right up 
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Jim Lovell
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Posted - 2005.06.30 11:07:00 -
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2005.06.30 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tenaj
Coming right up
Ask and ye shall receive!
Sweet. :)
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Zeepo
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Posted - 2005.06.30 21:37:00 -
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I look forward to your next post Tenaj |
Big doggy
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Posted - 2005.07.01 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Lovell
but the funny thing is ore thieves think we really care about them...
Ahhhhh Jim the Troll, the wannabe ore thief who hangs out in Tookurstuff, speaks! |
LAILA BARHIR
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Posted - 2005.07.01 08:47:00 -
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You know what the funny thing is? None of the ore thieves that I READ THE POSTS OF here have the guts to say "i'm an ore thief." Instead, they say things like "ore relocation specialist."
I did not read all four pages of this thread, so if there was an ore thief who had the guts to admit what they realy are, I salute you.
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Ceti
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Posted - 2005.07.01 11:18:00 -
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Thank you Tenaj, this lesson is gold for all those hardworking relocation consultants.
I shall do some tweaking to get maximum return on investment.
Many Thanks
Ceti
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akrotor
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Posted - 2005.07.08 09:03:00 -
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how coem when i ore theiv it ends up me having to shoot the hualers because they jsut wont jet there ore okay also a quic k que i only can fly itny 3 is tt oaky or shoudl i wait more
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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: K3NDY on 08/07/2005 12:36:16
Edited by: K3NDY on 08/07/2005 12:36:04
i use an ity 2 atm, works a treat for my ore relocation program.
get electronics 5 and cloaking 3, then u can sneak up on the carebears to about 2500m then just blast the mwd to the can and POP!
or u can just look in 0.9+ for afk haulers with their lasers on. a lot of em have 27% expanders, get 3 friends in caracals to suicide gank em, missiles will do max damage now on a motionless hauler. u wait in an indy and pick up the drop can (caracals get bombed by concord) but considering the price of 27% xpanders u wont lose out
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.07.08 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tenaj
My own set up is power diagnostics in the low slots and mid slots full of shields. An Iteron V can be tanked to well over 3k shield this way. Carry cargo expanders (not expensive ones) in your hold. If you come across someone who clearly doesn't present a threat then just dock and fit the expanders. Save 1 slot for a 10NM AB.
3k shields? That ought to takem me 10 sec to cut through.
As for being podded, no need, blowing up the ship is sufficient.
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