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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Tenaj
My own set up is power diagnostics in the low slots and mid slots full of shields. An Iteron V can be tanked to well over 3k shield this way. Carry cargo expanders (not expensive ones) in your hold. If you come across someone who clearly doesn't present a threat then just dock and fit the expanders. Save 1 slot for a 10NM AB.
3k shields? That ought to takem me 10 sec to cut through.
As for being podded, no need, blowing up the ship is sufficient.
and if its in 0.5+ it will take concord about 1 sec to cut through ur shields armour and hull, then tenaj can take ur ore and ur fittings!! ORE THEFT FOR THE WIN!!!!
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2005.07.09 18:55:00 -
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Did I miss something?
I still haven't seen lesson 3.
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The Longinus
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Posted - 2005.09.29 14:10:00 -
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This is a great post.. not only for the Ore Thiefs but also for the miners. Keep posting your setups plz, we will attleast know how to kill you when you come. Thanks for the heads up.
PS. Warp Scramblers and s**t loads of drones should do the trick.
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Vogon
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Posted - 2005.09.29 16:00:00 -
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Just a thought about the Iteron V. Its a bit long and some folk like to bash ore theives ships with their own to stop the ore theif getting to their can. The bigger the ship the more knocking about you tend to receive. Thats why I prefer the Iteron IV, or in my case, the Iteron IV Ghia...
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Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2005.10.18 18:06:00 -
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Are there ore Thiefs int he 0.4 too 0.1 systems too?
Sounds like a nice "Lure" for extended cargo or modules...
"> Hey guys comme pick up the jetcan it si full"
"> Oups wrong channel"
Then sit back and wait with scrambler trigger close.
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Cod Ball
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Posted - 2005.10.21 08:20:00 -
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Sorry but stealing other peoples ore is a scabby job.....your just ruining peoples hard work!
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2005.10.21 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cod Ball
Sorry but stealing other peoples ore is a scabby job.....your just ruining peoples hard work!
No need to apologise......
IMHO, jet can mining is just a socially accepted exploit. Jet miners stripping 1.0 systems in an Apoc are just taking the **** put of the hard working players who use the proper tools provided. I have no qualms with being the consequence of their greed.
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Druid R
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Posted - 2005.10.21 11:32:00 -
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readign the post on first page abotu the secure cans, take up 3000m3 but give 3900m3, shouldn't this mean u can get infinite space with enough cans? if i put a can in my hold, then a can in my can i have boosted by 4800 space straight away, or are ccp clever and u cant put cans incans?
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Imaweepony
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Posted - 2005.10.21 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Druid R
readign the post on first page abotu the secure cans, take up 3000m3 but give 3900m3, shouldn't this mean u can get infinite space with enough cans? if i put a can in my hold, then a can in my can i have boosted by 4800 space straight away, or are ccp clever and u cant put cans incans?
Can't put a can in a can, would destroy the universe or some such thing.
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Jessonater
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Posted - 2005.10.21 17:44:00 -
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First off you need to fit your Badger II with a MWD, now that does take ENG V, and the ability to augment your powersource by 45% but! its worth it. People cannot stop a badger warping around at 1.3km/s
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Delana Mosalaine
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Posted - 2005.10.22 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cod Ball
Sorry but stealing other peoples ore is a scabby job.....your just ruining peoples hard work!
I Really do like the hard work part 
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Gonrada Futar
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
Originally by: Dracolich
Those who actually thinks that ore thieving is the reason why the jet can exploit won't get nerfed, are maybe thinking a bit too highly of themselves. Fact: There are 1000s of miners and lets face it, not too many ore thieves; the main reason it doesnt get nerfed, as I see it, is that CCP didnt really think too much when they planned how miners should actually mine, and now if they nerfed it, many would quit mining, unless they have a helping haulers hand(which all really should have);thus making all kind of builds more expensive.
Those who think that they are proud that they are taking cans, and think its in the line of piracy, well... nub is all i can think of. I dont care about ore thieves really coz miners shouldnt really be mining in systems where there are 100s of ppl, so their own fault really, what is an annuisance are the ones that steal cargo cans, I do think that all people really dislikes that, pirat or not. That is really the lowest of the lowest, and CCP really should taking care of that.
Excuse me, but I'm the lowest of the low dammit, and I think it would ruin my day and this game if CCP were to come in and say I couldn't be the lowest of the low anymore because of some moral objection.
EVE isn't the USA, and CCP aren't the GOP, so quit treating both like they are and start solving your own problems. 
Well i agree... but hold up... I happen to be a miner... but hold up again because i think that jet can mining is AN Xplot!! I happen to have a friend sit in a fairly Large Badger while i mine, @ which point we split profit made 50/50... I HAVE NO PROB with the ore thief  ... but i believe that the ore thief should save such actions for corps Not newb players, also ... the ore thief who stays in a NPC corp is well... stupid in my opion...
ok im done, Bring the hate trying to justify stealing from newbs and staying in NPC corps
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Riven Wolfreign
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Posted - 2005.11.30 05:23:00 -
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You know its funny how all the thieves say that jet can mining is the exploit though in the next patch they are making it so if you take something from a can if you werent the one to deploy it you are flagged......
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.11.30 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Riven Wolfreign
You know its funny how all the thieves say that jet can mining is the exploit though in the next patch they are making it so if you take something from a can if you werent the one to deploy it you are flagged......
It's to provide risk to the occupation.
If Ore Thievery was an "Exploit" or "Griefing" or "Not Cool," then instead of being flagged, you'd see a Concord Response.
Think about it.
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Meryl Stryfe
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Posted - 2005.11.30 07:04:00 -
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So who's tested can flagging? Could you answer the following:
Does the flag apply to gang members?
Does the flag trigger 'act of aggression' so you can't dock/warp for 1 min.?
Will sentries wtfpwd you near a gate?
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Macro Media on 30/11/2005 10:44:51
Originally by: Meryl Stryfe
So who's tested can flagging? Could you answer the following:
Does the flag apply to gang members?
Does the flag trigger 'act of aggression' so you can't dock/warp for 1 min.?
Will sentries wtfpwd you near a gate?
I have been told the following.
Flag only applies to ore theif.
Flag does not effect concord or anyone else. No Docking rules.
Flag does nothing other than let the victim, victims gang, all gang members corp, be allowed to take a free shot at the theif following the same combat rules as per a wartarget. If the theif responds, he can only respond to those that attack him. Theifs gang/corp/etc cannot join in.
If this worries you, then there are other ways to steal ore without getting flagged.
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Sam Arran
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Posted - 2005.12.07 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sam Arran on 07/12/2005 20:46:26
Originally by: Tenaj
Now THAT, in a nutshell, is the facts of the matter. What Avon is underlining here is the one simple truth of the issue, which is that ore theft is a COUNTER TO AN EXPLOIT and NOT an exploit in itself.
Miners should be bloody grateful to us. If it wasn't for the likes of me the devs would have nerfed the jet can mining EXPLOIT ages ago.
Your arrogance is astounding. Who are you to decide what is an exploit and what isn't? Who are you to dictate to other people that they should be grateful to you for stealing their ore. Who are you to dictate to people how they should play EVE?
This isn't about roleplaying as a pirate; that's not what you're doing at all. True pirates take risks - they earn their rewards by putting their ships and their lives on the line in 0.0. You're worse than the carebears (not my choice of word) you obviously enjoy causing grief to, as you do so with impunity and at no risk to yourself. |
Tenaj
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Arran
Your arrogance is astounding. Who are you to decide what is an exploit and what isn't?
My arrogance, it would seem, is only matched by your ignorance. Allow me to help... CCP have always stated that the use of jet cans for mining was never intended. You can read it here:
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Who are you to dictate to people how they should play EVE?
I've never suggested anyone should play the game in a particular way. I'm happy to remove ore from those who continue to use jet cans in the way CCP didn't intend them to. The people I steal from can freely decide on how they want to play.
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This isn't about roleplaying as a pirate; that's not what you're doing at all. True pirates take risks - they earn their rewards by putting their ships and their lives on the line in 0.0.
Whoa!!!......When have I ever said I was a Pirate? I assume you read the subject line in this post before you replied?? I'm an ORE THIEF, hence the thread title ORE THEFT 101.
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You're worse than the carebears (not my choice of word) you obviously enjoy causing grief to, as you do so with impunity and at no risk to yourself.
Sigh.....That one again. OK, look. Check my employment history and check my bounty. If you're still confused read lesson 5 in this series. I can't be bothered to explain it all again. Which reminds me, there's also something in there about never entering into a battle of wits with the unarmed. I really should listen to my own advice sometimes...
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.09 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tenaj
Linkage
I've been looking for this.
Excellent...
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That link is humongous... :\
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Brannik Taal
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Posted - 2005.12.15 17:51:00 -
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I'll bite on the hook of those asserting that Jetcan mining is an "exploit".
Things are only an exploit if they use gaps in the game mechanics in a way that is clearly unrealistic or unfair. For example, using clipping bugs in an FPS is an exploit.
I don't think of jetcan mining like this ; sure, it wasn't anticipated by the designers. But it doesn't violate any of the EVE universe physics, and it's not exactly unfair - this is how people mine in the real world. You don't see coalcutters driving down a pit to cut a swath of coal, and then drive up the shaft again to deliver it to the power station. The coalcutter stays at the coalface. The coal is driven to the power station by a huge truck.
Rocket jumping is arguably bloody stupid - you shouldn't be able to survive shooting an explosive rocket into the ground at your feet. But then again, by the same token, you shouldn't survive a hit from someone elses rocket. Rocket jumping is therefore fine, within the rules of the games that permit it. Now people design levels with it in mind.
Jetcan mining is just art imitating life, using the rules of the game. It's emergent gameplay, not an exploit. Stealing from peoples unguarded hoard of ore ; that's emergent gameplay too. You will get similar things happening wherever you have a looseley constrained complex system with rules. It's just a natural consequence of games that have evolved beyond the 2D sidescrolling platform jumper.
Flagging those who steal from jetcans is just swinging the needle back towards reality. Up until now, you could feasibly just roll up to a corporate mining operation in high security space, steal a full load, and run away, without any kind of comeback. Which we all know is not how the world works.
I hope it makes things more exciting for you ore relocation consultants. I know it's going to make things more exciting for us ore excavation specialists.
And when you come down to it, more exciting games are what we all want.
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Skyran
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Posted - 2006.01.20 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Brannik Taal
And when you come down to it, more exciting games are what we all want.
I'll drink to that!
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