Why?

I like NPC corps.

Richard Bartle explained it once.

Short term bad, long term good is how DEVS should approach changes. Sadly the player base mostly doesn't care for long term, they just want short term gratification and as such will never embrace changes for the good. This scares the crap out of devs and thus they won't do it.

Make missions that are not "soloable" and have a group get better than solo rewards.

This sounds the same as "Make casual players leave the game".
You know, I enjoy soloing because I don't have to wait for 10 hrs on players to get into action or do something.
I want to log for 1 hr and have my fun shooting rats, I don't like grouping with people because it's a hassle and takes too much time.

no, it's a "people who put more effort in, get more out".

perhaps you should try world of warcraft? that game seems to be more suited to your "i want the same rewards for playing for 1hr as the guy playing for 10hrs gets" attitude.

What is warcraft?

Well well well.

The obvious main advantage of a real corp is having your own, dedicated team of pilots working together to achieve their goals.

Other, mechanical differences just support this. Now if you choose to limit your New Eden existence to only mission grinding, you probably won't appreciate any of these, but please don't for a moment think that is how most of us play.

Sure, as a CEO I'd love to get a full corp management interface revamp along with new POSes, they are known issues and high on wishlists.

From things you mentioned, taxes and wardecs are totally irrelevant to my corp, and your view on PVE betrays your very shallow knowledge of profitable carebearing.

They could just remove npc corps. It should work just for rookie pilots first weeks.

Don't get me wrong. I am not anti PVP or wardec. I'm just asking, what a Player corp can do that a player/fleet in a NPC corp can do?

This sounds the same as "Make casual players leave the game".
You know, I enjoy soloing because I don't have to wait for 10 hrs on players to get into action or do something.
I want to log for 1 hr and have my fun shooting rats, I don't like grouping with people because it's a hassle and takes too much time.

They aren't try to force you anywhere. The npc's corp are imbalanced, even when compared to a high sec payer run corp.

You guys that want to play in the npc's corps receiving all the rewards with next to no risk, and then crying about any change that makes it better to be in a player corp should just frigging quit.

EVE isn't about the npc's corps, and the npc's corps don't attract more people to EVE.

I hate Player Run corps

1. Mad CEO - who uses alt to commit corp theft

2. Stupid property policy and politcs. All my major assets are buried in null outposts, station and custom POSes.

3. Lack of roles, lack of freedom, stupid CEOs do not grant sufficient roles, 3 months later corp collapses. (You never get required roles for POS lab and manufacture)

What reward?

The npc's corp. if you don't understand you never will. And why are you crying over a 3 year old dev blog.

Don't get me wrong. I am not anti PVP or wardec. I'm just asking, what a Player corp can do that a player/fleet in a NPC corp can do?

First: You are not explaining how a NPC corp is imbalanced to a player run corp.

Second: The devblog is 3 years old and the problems still persist.

Where is the reward in a player run corp for the efforts players sink into them? I believe you are better than this... Do you need more coffee or something?

I mean "a" mission(not all missions) that reward a huge payout to the fleet/corp that completes it. It would be difficult enough to require a small fleet. But I agree waiting for a corpmate to warp across to the planned activity can be a pain. Probably the CEO's fault for not organizing though.

there will always be casual players, who dont have time to commit to the game and still want to log in and play with spaceships, those are paying customers no MMO dev can afford to ignore

on the reverse; why should the game cater to everyone? the general feeling i get from my perception of the community are that they play it because of eve's somewhat unique niche.

They could just remove npc corps. It should work just for rookie pilots first weeks.

Real answer: Hold sov and kick people out.

Forum answer: Moan about killboard ratios and turn your game into work.

In my time in EVE I have been a CEO and served under other CEOs. I have seen wardecs kill fail corps. CEOs turn and blow up the newb players, corp theft, tyrant CEOs taken down by real life issues leaving without leadership, and a lot of other stupid stuff player run corps are involved in..

I suggested something like this awhile ago. Each faction has two NPC corps, one tied to FW and one like they are now. Newbies (players <1 year old) could remain in the NPC corp when they leave a corp or should they never join a corp. After that year those players would be shunted into the NPC corp tied to FW. Basically they get the invincible NPC corp for a year, which is long enough to learn the game and once that's done the get placed in their empires FW corp. So they might be unable to be wardeced but they could still be shot and killed by the opposing FW. Just in case newbies buy a character from the bazaar, purchased characters get 3 months of protection this is less than a year to decrease the chance of abuse from non-newbies.

You want a suggestion to make Player Corps more attractive? Simple...
Make the NPC Corps equal to Training/Temp accounts.... no training certain skills, no flying certain ships, no running more that L2 missions, etc...

If your in a NPC Corp, you are no better off, or worse off than the rookies on the temp accounts...
If you want more, join a Player Corp or form your own Solo Corp.

1: All missions should scale to be more difficult and more profitable when done with a group.

2: The ability to more finely tune corp roles desperately needs to be worked on, the old code needs to be completely reworked to allow things like setting individual roles per POS or Outpost.

3: Corps should have far more options available to allow things like salaries and bonuses, and the ability to base that on individual income for the corp brought in by that player. This would necessitate workable tools to create different economic models for corps. Corps need ways to be profitable (or not) as an organization, and if profitable all the members benefit.

I suggested something like this awhile ago. Each faction has two NPC corps, one tied to FW and one like they are now. Newbies (players <1 year old) could remain in the NPC corp when they leave a corp or should they never join a corp. After that year those players would be shunted into the NPC corp tied to FW. Basically they get the invincible NPC corp for a year, which is long enough to learn the game and once that's done the get placed in their empires FW corp. So they might be unable to be wardeced but they could still be shot and killed by the opposing FW. Just in case newbies buy a character from the bazaar, purchased characters get 3 months of protection this is less than a year to decrease the chance of abuse from non-newbies.

You want a suggestion to make Player Corps more attractive? Simple...
Make the NPC Corps equal to Training/Temp accounts.... no training certain skills, no flying certain ships, no running more that L2 missions, etc...

If your in a NPC Corp, you are no better off, or worse off than the rookies on the temp accounts...
If you want more, join a Player Corp or form your own Solo Corp.

Forcing players into something they don-¦t want is probably not a good idea to keep them and besides it would not be very "sandboxy", imo.

Instead why not give them "incentives" to leave the NPC corp: Make the NPC tax rate dynamic and dependant on player age: a new player starts with 0% tax which rises by 1 point each month he remains in the NPC corp, up to a limit of 25%. It would "freeze" if the player leaves for a PC corp of course and resumes when he comes back.

The actual mechanism can be discussed, naturally, we don-¦t want abuse or whatever, but ultimately, it would be the player himself who decides...

11% tax, still doesn't apply to mining.

love my wardec immune npc corp.

well, so many monkeys here i will start a banana business. i will be the richest eve player

why does that bother you that lot of ppl in NPC corps? they like to play that way. if you try to force them in player corps they will just leave...
you all just whining about NPC corps, 'cos its a pain in ur ass that u cant kill anybody u want. take ur time to relax and rethink ur life. there are sims players who want to build only and dont want fight, and yes, highsec and safe NPC corps are for them. they can enjoy trading, building stuff and actually u can thank to them that u have so lot of resources available, and if u go mad, u can gank them.
cant u find enough of your kind to kill?, piracy and 0.0 fight is not enough? why does that bother you that some of us have choosen a different way?
actually other than 0.0 life, player corps can give nothing to attract players, every high value activity, which actually require a group together is forced into 0.0. Anything you can do in a highsec player corp, u can do alone, and for the time while CCP cant find a way to make player corps profitable for the individuals not just for the CEOs and their friends, thats the only right way.
OP is right. instead of nerfing highsec and NPC corps, try to be creative or stfu, if u want fight go to 0.0 and shoot goon and PL, there is enough noob to kill them, thats the right challange for u.
pffff gave out the steam...

We would prefer that players join player corporations, or other entities that shape the world of EVE at a higher degree than the NPC corporations do, due to their impersonal and somewhat isolated role. That said, this change is not implemented to GÇ£destroyGÇ¥ NPC corps, they should be considered a small motivation to join a player corporation, where you can develop and flourish as a player.

well, so many monkeys here i will start a banana business. i will be the richest eve player

why does that bother you that lot of ppl in NPC corps? they like to play that way. if you try to force them in player corps they will just leave...
you all just whining about NPC corps, 'cos its a pain in ur ass that u cant kill anybody u want. take ur time to relax and rethink ur life. there are sims players who want to build only and dont want fight, and yes, highsec and safe NPC corps are for them. they can enjoy trading, building stuff and actually u can thank to them that u have so lot of resources available, and if u go mad, u can gank them.
cant u find enough of your kind to kill?, piracy and 0.0 fight is not enough? why does that bother you that some of us have choosen a different way?
actually other than 0.0 life, player corps can give nothing to attract players, every high value activity, which actually require a group together is forced into 0.0. Anything you can do in a highsec player corp, u can do alone, and for the time while CCP cant find a way to make player corps profitable for the individuals not just for the CEOs and their friends, thats the only right way.
OP is right. instead of nerfing highsec and NPC corps, try to be creative or stfu, if u want fight go to 0.0 and shoot goon and PL, there is enough noob to kill them, thats the right challange for u.
pffff gave out the steam...

Try to think this through; pilot gets kicked from corp because he's offline for "too long". Where would his character be when he "finally" logs back in?

Far to many people are exploiting the safety and ease that the NPC corps offer, while reaping the same benefits as everyone else that actually takes part in the wider game,...

You're already pointing it out.

Lack of incentive.
If you can do everything but a few specialist type things -IE moon mining, most cap production, super and Titan production- you have no real reason to leave the npc's corps.

Forming one man corps to check out running a PoS isn't really joining a corp either, and a lot of people do that.

There's no benefit to joining a corp. CCP has to deal with the same stuff every other mmo does, encouraging people to join player run groups. It's much more important in EVE though. This is why mmo's do things like guild perks. More xp, better loot drops, etc when you join a guild.

It's why people, raiders, in other mmo's dislike when devs give everyone the same opportunity to achieve things as everyone else. Once upon a time raiding used to be what you did after you joined a guild, now it's what you do while playing solo; without ever having to join a guild.

We may as well start calling it the Generation Q. Lots of people want to play a multiplayer game that thrives on social interaction and working with others like its a single player game. They want to enter a Q and wait their turn to get the same rewards as those people that utilize the mechanics the developers spent time creating so that we could work with others for better rewards.

The NPC corps encourage people to not join a corp.
Everyone's excuse for not joining a corp, mostly always boiling down to it being "the corps" fault, are just that, excuses. There are corporations available in EVE for every play style, even corps full of casual, laid back people who don't force anyone to do anything, just have fun.



You're not supposed to stay in the NPC corps forever, even though you can.
There's no incentive to leave them, it needs to be fixed.

They never followed through on the tax adjustments when the initial increase was obviously not enough. It should go a little higher.

And then they need to remove all T2 production out of (high sec = NPC) stations and into player run structures.

You earn ISK as effectively as everyone else while in the NPC corps when you should be joining player run corps to do that.


EVE revolves around the player run corps, not individuals in the NPC corps.

Now I know I've been harsh, but I will offer and request that readers of this post offer suggestions to help.
1. Give CEOs and directors better/more tools to advertise and organize their corp.
2. Give corps an advantage. (unlimited contracts is not a real advantage over what a single player can do)
3. Clean up the corporation interface
4. Fix the wardec system. (Sure ships are getting destroyed, but folks don't mind at all paying you 11% of a low paying mission so they don't lose their shinny new ship.)
5. Balance PVE/Ships so that grouping works better than solo. (Make missions that are not "soloable" and have a group get better than solo rewards. Not incursions and lvl 5s but something even a rookie player can do.)

My suggestions are probably not the best ideas, but they are something. Please folks, help CCP out.

3: Corps should have far more options available to allow things like salaries and bonuses, and the ability to base that on individual income for the corp brought in by that player. This would necessitate workable tools to create different economic models for corps. Corps need ways to be profitable (or not) as an organization, and if profitable all the members benefit.

Go to wormhole space? The dynamics there encourage fleeting up to complete sites for great rewards.

I would agree that there should be one mission per "level" range that supports a group to complete - if only to get new players into fleeting up to do stuff instead of directing them towards single-player gameplay which is, for many people, boring.

As to the corp thing - you haven't suggested any actual concrete ideas or details.

HOW would you like advertising to be better?
WHAT tools would you like to see?

Without those details your posts are just a continual whiny complaint which is unfortunate.

1. Well a CEO tutorial is one way. Something that lets them know that they are responsible for how successful the player run corp is.

3. Give a new corp a time limit before the become eligible war targets. (Don't worry folks you'll still get to shoot them & it fixes the newb NPC corp mentality. Now you can have newb player corps.)

Why hasn't anyone said it.

If you don't want to pay the tax, make a SINGLE MAN CORP.

Did you get war decced? Then just delete the corp and make a new one or pay taxes until they leave you alone.

This whole issue is a NON-TOPIC.

If you were in a player corp you'd be paying taxes. If you're in an NPC corp, you're paying taxes.

Don't like taxes? Make your own corp.


Stop blabbering about nothing.

This is what this post is based on: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1183783

Taxing NPC corporations was a rather lame attempt a trying to get players to join player run corporations. I'd like to know how many folks joined player corps because the unbearable 11% NPC corp tax rate. If war declarations and a low tax rate are the only thing player corps have going for t, then its no wonder player run corps are still alive and well. "Where you can flourish and develop as a player"? Sure if you join EVE Uni, but have you been in a player corp recently?
In my time in EVE I have been a CEO and served under other CEOs. I have seen wardecs kill fail corps. CEOs turn and blow up the newb players, corp theft, tyrant CEOs taken down by real life issues leaving without leadership, and a lot of other stupid stuff player run corps are involved in.
So in an effort to get more players into these situations you set up a 11% NPC corp tax to encourage players out of the NPC corps claiming that there are services being provided for free. Were ya'll drunk or something? Did the designer behind this idea get his job through nepotism? The recruitment forum and the recruitment forum is the best you can do to help corporations advertise?

Now I know I've been harsh, but I will offer and request that readers of this post offer suggestions to help.
1. Give CEOs and directors better/more tools to advertise and organize their corp.
2. Give corps an advantage. (unlimited contracts is not a real advantage over what a single player can do)
3. Clean up the corporation interface
4. Fix the wardec system. (Sure ships are getting destroyed, but folks don't mind at all paying you 11% of a low paying mission so they don't lose their shinny new ship.)
5. Balance PVE/Ships so that grouping works better than solo. (Make missions that are not "soloable" and have a group get better than solo rewards. Not incursions and lvl 5s but something even a rookie player can do.)

My suggestions are probably not the best ideas, but they are something. Please folks, help CCP out.

This sounds the same as "Make casual players leave the game".
You know, I enjoy soloing because I don't have to wait for 10 hrs on players to get into action or do something.
I want to log for 1 hr and have my fun shooting rats, I don't like grouping with people because it's a hassle and takes too much time.

You want a suggestion to make Player Corps more attractive? Simple...
Make the NPC Corps equal to Training/Temp accounts.... no training certain skills, no flying certain ships, no running more that L2 missions, etc...

If your in a NPC Corp, you are no better off, or worse off than the rookies on the temp accounts...
If you want more, join a Player Corp or form your own Solo Corp.

Then why are you playing an MMO instead of any of the single player space ship games?

What do you mean when you say "wider game"?

First: You are not explaining how a NPC corp is imbalanced to a player run corp.

Second: The devblog is 3 years old and the problems still persist.

Where is the reward in a player run corp for the efforts players sink into them? I believe you are better than this... Do you need more coffee or something?

Could it be that some cant afford to join a corp? how well does a corp full of random newbs with poor leadership and structure do in this "harsh" game? I don't mind the industry stuff because there is more to EVE than T2 production. CCP must fix Player corpsbefore they make any radical changes to High sec.

Does it really matter?!
If it's an MMO it doesn't mean I have to give people free hugs.

I'm paying money for this game: my money - my game.

Not an excuse. There are lots of bad corps indeed. There are also lots of good ones. Notice very few people ever say, "I just don't want to join a corp", its always how horrible corps are, that they don't want to be forced to do stuff they don't want, that they don't respect industrials. It's always an excuse that blames the corp, never that they just don't want to join one.

You're penalized for leaving the NPC corps because you assume more risk with no gain.
They can't fix anything as long as the NPC corps stay the way they are.

CCP knows they need to come up with incentives. They know that taxing didn't help.
Soundwave has already said they're talking about moving T2 production. They obviously understand that as long as you can play In the NPC corps like a play corp then people aren't going to leave.

There's a corp for everyone and finding one can be like dating. You may have to go threw a bunch of stinkers to find one you don't mind hanging around.

Maybe CCP can quality control corps. Plus it is nothing like dating. Joining a corp can be more like marriage (Ya know some one can leave with half, abuse, crime of passion, etc...). CCP Soundwave is insane. He is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Maybe CCP can quality control corps. Plus it is nothing like dating. Joining a corp can be more like marriage (Ya know some one can leave with half, abuse, crime of passion, etc...). CCP Soundwave is insane. He is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I have to ask CCP what the 11% goes to? In a player corp I receive a benefit for my taxes. The only benefit of an NPC corp is you can't wardec them. So what are the taxes for?

Like any idea I hope this one is still being refined.

I have to ask CCP what the 11% goes to? In a player corp I receive a benefit for my taxes. The only benefit of an NPC corp is you can't wardec them. So what are the taxes for?

Like any idea I hope this one is still being refined.

What benefit are you receiving?

And who should pay for concord?

Lore says the Empires pay for concord.

This is why I make solo corps. Pay 1 mil or so and dodge the tax and save a lot more than that. If you get a war dec.. Just leave the corp and make a new one. If they follow you around with that war dec just stick to the npc corp for a bit.

Lore says the Empires pay for concord.

Taxing NPC corporations was a rather lame attempt a trying to get players to join player run corporations. I'd like to know how many folks joined player corps because the unbearable 11% NPC corp tax rate. If war declarations and a low tax rate are the only thing player corps have going for t, then its no wonder player run corps are still alive and well.

And more of the problem.

Frankly, they should either prevent you from disbanding with a war dec or let the war dec follow you to the NPC corp.

You're just exploiting the NPC corp mechanics because you're to risk averse to deal with a frigging war dec.

Obviously the NPC corps are fine when this guy can't handle a war dec and exploits the system to "save himself".
I'm sure this isn't what CCP had in mind for either the NPC or player run corps.

Stop being such a *****.

You're just exploiting the NPC corp mechanics because you're to risk averse to deal with a frigging war dec.

Obviously the NPC corps are fine when this guy can't handle a war dec and exploits the system to "save himself".
I'm sure this isn't what CCP had in mind for either the NPC or player run corps.

Nope. Griefers would over do it.

[Lore Nitpick]

That's not strictly true. The Empires did pay for CONCORD at the start of things. But part of the development of CONCORD over recent years is its growing independence, partly because it's starting to fund itself via interstellar trade. It does so via fees, contraband confiscations, security contracts, etc. So while it started out wholly dependent on the Empires, it's growing into a fully autonomous entity.

[/Lore Nitpick]


Anyways, I wouldn't rely too much on lore-based arguments. CCP is author of its own lore; if it wished for mechanics to act a certain way, I'm sure they can come up with the lore to justify it.

Make missions that are not "soloable" and have a group get better than solo rewards

This is what this post is based on: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1183783

Taxing NPC corporations was a rather lame attempt a trying to get players to join player run corporations. I'd like to know how many folks joined player corps because the unbearable 11% NPC corp tax rate. If war declarations and a low tax rate are the only thing player corps have going for t, then its no wonder player run corps are still alive and well. "Where you can flourish and develop as a player"? Sure if you join EVE Uni, but have you been in a player corp recently?
In my time in EVE I have been a CEO and served under other CEOs. I have seen wardecs kill fail corps. CEOs turn and blow up the newb players, corp theft, tyrant CEOs taken down by real life issues leaving without leadership, and a lot of other stupid stuff player run corps are involved in.
So in an effort to get more players into these situations you set up a 11% NPC corp tax to encourage players out of the NPC corps claiming that there are services being provided for free. Were ya'll drunk or something? Did the designer behind this idea get his job through nepotism? The recruitment forum and the recruitment forum is the best you can do to help corporations advertise?

Now I know I've been harsh, but I will offer and request that readers of this post offer suggestions to help.
1. Give CEOs and directors better/more tools to advertise and organize their corp.
2. Give corps an advantage. (unlimited contracts is not a real advantage over what a single player can do)
3. Clean up the corporation interface
4. Fix the wardec system. (Sure ships are getting destroyed, but folks don't mind at all paying you 11% of a low paying mission so they don't lose their shinny new ship.)
5. Balance PVE/Ships so that grouping works better than solo. (Make missions that are not "soloable" and have a group get better than solo rewards. Not incursions and lvl 5s but something even a rookie player can do.)

My suggestions are probably not the best ideas, but they are something. Please folks, help CCP out.

i was hoping to get the taxe to 90% so people indeed go to player corps staying at that corps its not the best way to play the game. In the other hand if you want to mine something only or use your alt for some income then well its a bad idea.

But people need to go to player corps learn the game and move on. To many player stick with the starting corps. Ps this is alt so i have indeed long in npc corps for the basic income for my main.

Active social interaction.

Playing within a group and contributing to something.

Joining a militia and doing faction warfare.

Im not saying do all these thing, I'm saying do something other then sit in the NPC corp, ignoring the fact it's a multiplayer game that revolves heavily around interacting with other. I know not everyone in th NPC corps are like that', but a lot are.

CCP wants us to join player corporations and contribute.

Soundwave even addresses the very point in the blog about the tax increase.

Try to think this through; pilot gets kicked from corp because he's offline for "too long". Where would his character be when he "finally" logs back in?

Wont work, just get a bigger ship/better fit/moar drones and steamroll it

in the FW navy corp.

yeah because people need to be forced to pvp

I have never been in a Player Corp with this character and have no need to be in one.

So my question to you is why should I be in a player corporation.

Lets just say I am a pirate, why would I want to be in a player corp.
If anything I would want to be one of the masses of players with no affiliation.

For that matter why should players be required to be in any corp at all.
How about a no affiliation tag ?

It really comes down to what you are trying to accomplish ?

I would support a "Freelancer" option if we can get rid of NPC holding corps.

I'm sure they could make it so if you do something like that more ships will come after you.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with that guy but come on use your common sense

Guys, hey...

Hey
Guys

Make a Gallente toon and join CAS, you will see how amazing that "****** NPC corp" is. They do stuff player owned corps don't. Hell, they do null/low roams together.

Of course you do. Most player corps suck. But why don't you like player corps? Please tell CCP. They act like they don't know.

Ah, I see, I always blamed them sucking on humanity, not on CCP. But suppose CCP could do something about it. Just never thought of it that way before. Can CCP fix humanity?

i would just bring a much bigger ship

I'm sure they could make it so if you do something like that more ships will come after you.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with that guy but come on use your common sense

This post made me vomit

Nothing personal, but the idea seems to stay remarkably nebulous.

"Social interaction", "contribute to something". I really like to believe there are solid reasons, but I'm left wondering why no one will say what they are.

Folks chat in NPC corps. They recruit people for missions and advice. They build. The fact that they are in an organization of any kind implies they know it's a multiplayer game.

There must be something else.

NPC corporations are meant to be temporary spaces where people can go about their daily activities while searching for a player corporation. Currently the level of comfort they provide, both in terms of war declaration immunity and 0% tax, give them an inherent advantage over player corporations which was never intended. Hopefully, this will let player corporations compete on equal footing with NPC corporations.

We would prefer that players join player corporations, or other entities that shape the world of EVE at a higher degree than the NPC corporations do, due to their impersonal and somewhat isolated role. That said, this change is not implemented to GÇ£destroyGÇ¥ NPC corps, they should be considered a small motivation to join a player corporation, where you can develop and flourish as a player.

If you get rid of NPC corps players will just make public channels. The people who say nerf high sec are anti group play. Sure you can group play in a player corp, but why would you want to? Their 0% tax rate? To make T2 gears? I want to know what they expect to happen if everyone did join a Player corp and no one was in an NPC corp out of choice? Any thoughts on this?

I know I have an alt in that corp. The guys leading it used to be player corp CEOs.
Its a darn fine corp lively conversation and everything a player corp should aspire to be.Quote

This is what this post is based on: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1183783


5. Balance PVE/Ships so that grouping works better than solo. (Make missions that are not "soloable" and have a group get better than solo rewards. Not incursions and lvl 5s but something even a rookie player can do.)

"people that want you to play in player run corps are anti-social"

You don't really believe your own bullshit do you?

And then you go on to point out how broken the NPC corp are:

It's a like a sick joke.

The same people who are constantly saying there's nothing wrong with high sec corps are the same ******* people who will immediatly point how they're broke.


There's obviously nothing wrong with people being able to live in the STARTER corps as if they were a player run corp.
That's not an imballance at, and definitely what CCP wants the NPC corps used for.


Seriosly CCP, this **** nees to end.

(snip)
There are corporations available in EVE for every play style, even corps full of casual, laid back people who don't force anyone to do anything, just have fun.
(snip)

yeah because people need to be forced to pvp

This has been discussed ad infinitum multiple times.

1) People will want to do whatever they want in a game they're paying money for. Righteous forum trolling won't change that.
2) People don't want to be suicide ganked doing what they want to do. Righteous forum trolling won't change that.
3) Everyone KNOWS that is a game loaded with PVP. It's not ONLY PVP, which the righteious forum trolls refuse to accept. They see it, but refuse to accept the fact.
4) If I'm paying good money to play a game with as wide and diverse an action framework that EveO has, I'll be damned if I'm going to let some unemployed summer school drop-out tell me how and where to spend my time, how and where to fly a ship into an ambush, and how and when I can generate money to replace those foolishly lost goods.

You love null sec? Good for you. You love ganking freight haulers in Niarja, Uedama or elsewhere? Good for you. You like sitting at high sec gates for hours on end hoping for a good kill while paying good money for your time? Good for you.

I'm not telling you how to play this game. Don't you DARE tell me how to play it.

Get it yet?

Who's telling you how to play?

clearly once you join a FW navy YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE.

Who's telling you how to play?

This has been discussed ad infinitum multiple times.

1) People will want to do whatever they want in a game they're paying money for. Righteous forum trolling won't change that.
2) People don't want to be suicide ganked doing what they want to do. Righteous forum trolling won't change that.
3) Everyone KNOWS that is a game loaded with PVP. It's not ONLY PVP, which the righteious forum trolls refuse to accept. They see it, but refuse to accept the fact.
4) If I'm paying good money to play a game with as wide and diverse an action framework that EveO has, I'll be damned if I'm going to let some unemployed summer school drop-out tell me how and where to spend my time, how and where to fly a ship into an ambush, and how and when I can generate money to replace those foolishly lost goods.

You love null sec? Good for you. You love ganking freight haulers in Niarja, Uedama or elsewhere? Good for you. You like sitting at high sec gates for hours on end hoping for a good kill while paying good money for your time? Good for you.

I'm not telling you how to play this game. Don't you DARE tell me how to play it.

Get it yet?

Everyone who says we need to get into a player corp or be excessively limited I'd guess.

I don't think anyone was saying that. Nerfing NPC corporations (or "removing" them altogether) isn't the same as forcing you into a player corporation.

There was talk of "not having to be in any corporation at all" and I like that idea.

But here's my idea - just remove NPCs, and everything run by them, altogether. Make it a purely player-oriented game. Everything done by the players, everything for the players. Lawl

finally we have got some ppl around can actually use their brain. gtfo with all whining noob. I'm actually in player corp and in 0.0, but the only reason cos its a lot easier to generate isk in 0.0. all who is whining about low risk high earning highsec just dont know what they are talking about. highsec actually becoming unplayable for casual players due to EXTREME LOW INCOME for all the **** they have to do there. When i dont have 0.0 acces, i just simply quit EVE and reactivate sub when i have it again. highsec actually have to be easier to earn. im not talking about higher income, but easier solutions that a simple casual f2p player can pay his plex and pvp-ships, and still have time to lose those pvp-ships. the main problem, and thats why most casual highsec player dont go to lowsec to die, cos they cant afford it. they dont have 10 alts to print isk, they have just one, and if you dont play 24/7, thats more of a job to grind ur plex than a game. (i know, pay for ur time in real cash... BS. i pay with my time)

I don't think anyone was saying that. Nerfing NPC corporations (or "removing" them altogether) isn't the same as forcing you into a player corporation.

There was talk of "not having to be in any corporation at all" and I like that idea.

But here's my idea - just remove NPCs, and everything run by them, altogether. Make it a purely player-oriented game. Everything done by the players, everything for the players. Lawl

with that u still wanna say us how to play... the problem u dont even know what ur own words mean

with that u still wanna say us how to play... the problem u dont even know what ur own words mean

You can play however you want. But maybe it doesn't make sense to be completely absolutely safe from other players in an MMO.

You can play however you want. But maybe it doesn't make sense to be completely absolutely safe from other players in an MMO.

you can make a few billion no problems in high sec if you have decent rep with the empires and trading skills

ban npc corps

put in some global chat thing
problem solved

I'm not sure how you could conclude that there are no individuals who are trying to have mechanics put in place to exert strong influences on NPC corp life given some of the suggestions in this thread.

Nerfing the NPC corps by putting further limitations on them IS an attempt to coerce people to stop using them. Whether this coercion is beneficial or not is obviously up for debate but it is very much worth mentioning that the people advocating these solutions are doing so with the express intent of mandating a change in play for NPC corp occupants.

That said, with respect to your idea, this doesn't really do anything to solve the issues (which in my opinion are somewhat overstated) associated with NPC corps. Removing the corp and having people function as individuals in less social in nature than current NPC corps, which is one of the issues people have with them. If the channels remain then there is functionally no difference.

On the issue of wardec immunity, the only real advantage which only holds any sway in a fraction of the games total area of play and even then is many times ignored if the price is right, if the individual entities are dec'd I don't find it likely that we would see any increased combat. Just fewer people logging in (if you wanted to fight wardec'ers you likely weren't in NPC to begin with) or simply more corp membership cycling and 1 man corps to avoid wardecs, both of which tend to lead back deeper into antisocial behavior.

ban npc corps

get rid of concord, and then let people play eve the way they want to..

Lol yea! Remove concord and the next thing you will see is every casual/carebear/person in right mind leave the game.

TL;DR "get rid of concord" = "get rid of 50% of EvE players", or even more.

Anyways your post is 1/10.

What is warcraft?

REvamp war decs to not be grief decs I'm sure folks will join player corps.

Anyone who doesn't want a war complains its a "grief dec".

I didn't know you had a time machine. That's ancient news.

Doesn't change the fact that wardec's are a needless game mechanic that creates more problems than they are worth....

No sir.

It's your subscription, CCP's game. You're not entitled to anything but to be able log in and play or cancel if you don't like it. Everything I between is entirely up to CCP.

They can kill the game tomorrow if they want. It's not your game.

Let me rephrase that. Make some missions that only fleets can access, call them "fleet missions" that reward the players more than the solo missions currently available.

yes, do it and ccp's every problem solved as like urs. they can unplug their servers and u can get a real life...

NPC corps are, according to CCP analysis, the biggest barrier to player retention
they don't keep newbies in the game, or offer them any real protection
they facilitate an easy mode, self-defeating playstyle and alt-based metagame which actually drives players off due to its lack of social interaction on player-generated adversity
catering to the risk-free players has come closer to killing EVE then anything else in its history

the best "solution" to the NPC corp problem is their outright removal
ban NPC corps

then ccp's analisys is worth a sh@t. player exit cos the solo part of the game is rubbish and the griefers easily destroy their simple sims they like to play.

being casual solo player means you cant afford buying and losing pvpships due to the boring pve, which feel more of a job then a game, and too much skillbased, for a beginner simply not worth, industry. if you will destroy the last defense of these players, eve will die...

the only solution is: make highsec and npc corps as well payed as nullsec but dont give it into the hand of an other mittani. than casual players can afford pvpships, lowseccers will be happy though they will have more fight with rich highseccers and all will be happy

Lol see alot ppl say its not what ccp wanted lol

tbh who actualy gives a flying f##k what ccp wanted? i know i dnt do they pay our subs? i play my way and adapt to nurfs but honestly dont care what ccp or players want only in it for my own fun

Right, and NPC corps heavily incentivize players playing solo, and force those who don't to accept serious competitive disadvantages to those that do. This is why CCP has been advertising groups like EVE-UNI and RvB as a part of improving the NPE, which means joing player-run corps increases player retention, which means NPC corps hurt player retention.

This is backwards. The reason 'casual solo players' struggle to make ends meet is because they must compete economically with serious PvE alts nestled in NPC corps, who face no losses or risk and can reinvest their gains into generating even more ISK and commodities, devaluing the true worth and purchasing power of a 'casual solo player''s efforts.

Let me rephrase that. Make some missions that only fleets can access, call them "fleet missions" that reward the players more than the solo missions currently available.

It was called "incursions". It did not end well...

It was called "incursions". It did not end well...

It did not end...

yes it did, at least for most of the players. there are many specialised on it, but they are minority of the highsec pilots

A good sign of a balanced activity for groups is that everyone is not doing it but some do and of those some enough to specialize in it. It isn't as populous, but it isn't dead.

So that would mean that level 4 missions and mining are out of balance.

actually how many times did u leave EVE? this is a nearly 3 years old alt with the SP of a half year old. every time they drop some new stuff I come back to try if i will like it, but they always fail to attract me. And I was part of eve-uni (which is one of the biggest fail of eve, maybe second after goon) if somebody, then I know why i leave eve always, and i know why all my mates have left with the time eve. we are not geeks, we are casual players. nc corps doesnt hurt us, and player run corps dont have any retention (and im in a player run corp, but i will just leave again, as nothing happens in eve which has any retention) the corps u mentioned can have an impact only on 12 yo little guys who dont know what to do alone, but not they are the highsec playerbase, they are exactly as many as many in eve-uni.

ohhh. tell me how an industrial alt on npc station can make my missionrunning worthless and boring? cos it is

Hmmm, who to believe? CCP's marketing statistics analyzing which category of players stay after the trial period or your analogic evidence...

Without loss or competition, the newbie/casual is forced to undercut hardcore PvE alts who constantly reinvest their profits into higher isk-generating items and PLEXing yet more accounts to multibox with. Since risk of losing expensive ships ships due to things like wardecs is not an issue for NPC corps, actual casual players and newbies fall far behind the rmfHorus 60-man L4 Tengu fleet and have no means of closing the gap. The multiboxed pimp boats, devaluing the newbie's paltry sum of ISK, drive up the price of PLEXes and every other commodity thanks to the ISK injection into the player generated economy.