my 2 cents.


1. Have a mod like the cyno jammer but a cloak jammer.. you cant have both running and it needs an upgrade in the Ihub + the mod + it has around the same cost per day as a jammer.

you turn it on and after 30 mins it deactivates all cloaks within the system and they cannot be reactivated till the mod is turned off.

The 30 min timer would show up in space like station timers do for example.

this way you dont have supers ratting in a ni-invulerable state because they can be dropped atleast.

It also gives the cloaky camper a chance to leave by showing the timer throughout the system. So if he is really around and not at work with his computer running at home, he can get away.

2. This option is just bring back the system scanner mod for the POS and allow it to scan out cloaked vessels.

as far as the whole, local vs no local vs delayed local etc etc.. its just a dead horse.. While alot of us wouldnt mind - most of eve would rage out thus making ccp back down.

Local has been apart of this game since launch.. to change it now is not really viable. Ccp gave people who like that an area, its called wormhole space.

/me puts on flame suit

Good idea. +1 hope it gets implemented

One thing jumps too mind however and that is if docked or "behind POS shield" ships are not seen on local and cant be seen in local "unless chating" couldnt it be used in the same way that log off traps are used only you dont have too log off too do it? not saying it is a bad thing just saying it seems like that could be a thing.

*warps fleet too outpost. Thinks system is empty. Suddenly 200+ ships pour out of outpost*

(Remember, the expectation that cloak detection and hunting is anticipated alongside this change)

Your proposed system is so overly complex CCP is bound to screw it up and break half a dozen things over and over trying to make it work only to leave it half finished and turn the game into a cesspit in the process.

All that needs to happen is exactly what you said above along with delayed style local like we have in Wormholes. Enter a system and immediately cloak up? Unless someone on gate sees you come in, no one will see you or know you're there. Then you provide a way to actively gather the same intel (your statement above about cloak hunting) and the active, intelligent, and focused groups will be able to respond to the new threat in whatever way they deem fit, whether by attacking or fleeing. The unaware and unprepared will become easier targets - those who prepare and take the steps necessary to insure their survival will be harder to catch and kill.

This is what Eve is supposed to reward - active, intelligent game play. Effort should garner more rewards than sitting around doing nothing.

The vessels which should fit this classification for full local exclusion I described:

Vessels within the shields of a POS (They cannot target or fire, AFK POS items are misleading)
Vessels docked at an outpost (They cannot target or fire, AFK Outpost items are misleading)
Vessels cloaked in a system (They cannot target or fire, AFK Cloaked items are misleading)

I will just put here some "worst case scenarios":
floating-in-POS and docked players - just imagine scenario when your transport ship is tackled by frigate and you get killed, because you didn't knew there were allied pilots sitting at the POS or station within same solar system
cloaked vessel - you are plexing with carrier in empty system and suddenly something decloaks nearby... game over.

In my opinion it wont work as supposed

In spite of the many posts about it I seriously fail to see why afk cloaking is a problem... They're cloaked, and they're harmless until they are uncloaked. As for Intel or unseeable threats, GOOD, that's exactly what cloaks are supposed to be.

Edit: they're called cover ops and RECON ships for a reason

All details being considered and weighted... It seems the answer to AFK Cloaking's terror aspect is to ignore it while they are cloaked.
(A cloaked vessel not being capable of inflicting damage directly)

As it is not currently possible to evaluate threat levels properly under the current system, I suggest we upgrade local to exclude vessels which are not capable of interacting with ships and objects directly.

For balance, I would deny these classifications from accessing local at all. Let them be sent chat information in a version of local missing the pilot roster, no free intel for them. (Fully delayed local for all pilots present but not listed)

The vessels which should fit this classification for full local exclusion I described:

Vessels within the shields of a POS (They cannot target or fire, AFK POS items are misleading)
Vessels docked at an outpost (They cannot target or fire, AFK Outpost items are misleading)
Vessels cloaked in a system (They cannot target or fire, AFK Cloaked items are misleading)

Upgrading local intel with improved relevancy in this manner will benefit players wanting to know the actual active players present.

i have neevr outright called someone an idiot in these threads for their idea's but sir this makes you looke like a complete moron.

first of all let me say that yes there needs to be some kind of better system for identifying if someone is infact AFK or something. but adding everything you are trying to add would infact hurt so much of sov warfare that its not even funny.

i have neevr outright called someone an idiot in these threads for their idea's but sir this makes you looke like a complete moron.

first of all let me say that yes there needs to be some kind of better system for identifying if someone is infact AFK or something. but adding everything you are trying to add would infact hurt so much of sov warfare that its not even funny. maybe make it as simple as an icon on someones name when they are inactive for 30 minutes, sort of like the icon on someons name when you have them blocked. please stop trying to chaneg the game for your own personal benefit though. -10 vote.

It's pretty obvious he hasn't considering how OP 200+ stealth bombers popping out of nothing and deploying bombs is.

You're not too keen on risk, I see.

Or group cooperation for teamwork.

And you want local enhanced so you don't need any other intel that needs to be effort based, hence your interest in the AFK flagging.

I think we know enough on your view to guess the rest.

i have neevr outright called someone an idiot in these threads for their idea's but sir this makes you looke like a complete moron.

first of all let me say that yes there needs to be some kind of better system for identifying if someone is infact AFK or something. but adding everything you are trying to add would infact hurt so much of sov warfare that its not even funny. maybe make it as simple as an icon on someones name when they are inactive for 30 minutes, sort of like the icon on someons name when you have them blocked. please stop trying to chaneg the game for your own personal benefit though. -10 vote.

god you are definately ******** therefore you require no more effort. you apparently cant read and are just on the defensive at this time. move on. your idea is **** and no one is going to go with it, if you are being cloaky camped, then just move on to another system and stop crying like every other pubbie before you that has tried this same idea.

It's pretty obvious he hasn't considering how OP 200+ stealth bombers popping out of nothing and deploying bombs is.

Exactly what game mechanic allows 200+ stealth bombers to appear out of nothingness? I'd like to train that skill.

If his suggestion were implemented it would be covert ops 1 and bomb deployment 1.

No, those skills don't allow 200+ stealth bombers to spawn out of nothing...you still need them to get into system somehow.

No, those skills don't allow 200+ stealth bombers to spawn out of nothing...you still need them to get into system somehow.

There is this thing called comms....

Seriously, if you are in null you should be on comms, or accept the consequences of not being on comms.

i have neevr outright called someone an idiot in these threads for their idea's but sir this makes you looke like a complete moron.

So the only defense against the stealth bomber blob is...someone telling you at some point during the day someone blipped in local for half a second, and that they may or may not still be in system?

How exactly is this not handing every possible advantage to the stealth bomber pilot, and what exactly is the counter balance to blobs of stealth bombers who may or may not be in a system?

Seriously, if you are in null you should be on comms, or accept the consequences of not being on comms.

If you want more links on AFK cloaking, go here, I've found enough to keep you busy the entire holiday weekend.