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![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
949
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:49:00 -
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In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends."
"I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends."
This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer".
The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual.
Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Vaju Enki Vaju Enki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91855185/portrait?size=64)
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
259
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:52:00 -
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Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
![FoxBird Freir FoxBird Freir](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91360578/portrait?size=64)
FoxBird Freir
Raven's Flight Nulli Legio
8
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:56:00 -
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You can be casual and play with rl friends in 0.0, just a whole lot easier to have a base of opperations for such gameplay in high. Eve IS casual, doesn't get much more casual than offline lvling and isk grinding(r&d/industry). |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2258
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:56:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. Blobs are an important part of "empires", as are blue lists. I'm glad to help build our oppressive regime that harvests so many tears ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
950
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:57:00 -
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FoxBird Freir wrote:You can be casual and play with rl friends in 0.0, just a whole lot easier to have a base of opperations for such gameplay in high. Eve IS casual, doesn't get much more casual than offline lvling and isk grinding(r&d/industry).
I have no problem with casual gamers as long as they don't expect things to be balanced around them and they are actually casual.
Like I said ice mining 14 hours a day isn't casual, playing the market all day isn't casual, and running craploads of alts in a mission / complex / anom / asteroid belt is NOT casual. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Randolph Rothstein Randolph Rothstein](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92681758/portrait?size=64)
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
185
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:58:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion.
same here,tho i doubt ill be playing in 2020 |
![Maire Gheren Maire Gheren](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92766598/portrait?size=64)
Maire Gheren
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:06:00 -
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So maybe they actually do need a bunch more little dead end holes scattered here and there that won't fit a vast empire but are just right for an up and coming corp to dream about conquering only to later have to set their sights elsewhere because of their ultimate claustrophobia. |
![Jame Jarl Retief Jame Jarl Retief](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90299789/portrait?size=64)
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
727
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:08:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
Who says those are misconceptions or misunderstandings of whatever?
"I am special" is debatable, but I guess it works. When I was starting out, I was a CEO of my own corp to dodge the NPC corp tax, I did what I felt like, and it was all pretty special.
EVE WAS totally relaxing for me. I ran L4s in high-sec. Most of the time I was half-asleep doing it. And even now, with all the drone changes, I can still run them half-asleep and totally relaxed. And these days, I spin the button in FW in a semi-comatose state in the evening sometimes.
Small gang/solo? I spent the better part of my first 6 months in the game solo. And a year after that mostly small gang/solo. So why says the game isn't balanced for small gang/solo? There's tons of people who derive tons of fun from solo and small gang stuff. Case in point, just look at FW right now. Most of the folks there are deriving tons of fun from that.
Bottom line? I don't feel the "misconceptions" that you listed are misconceptions at all. They're a playstyle choice. One that is supported by the sandbox that is EVE. If you were correct, then that would mean EVE isn't a sandbox any more.
And in closing? I totally understand why people don't want to go to null. It's the precise same reason why I ALWAYS prefer to join a 60-man-or-less guild in any MMO, as opposed to a 600-man-or-more guild. I prefer being on the first-name basis and familiar with each guild member. As opposed to being a faceless, nameless Cog #27812 in a thousands-strong zerg with no personality or meaning.
It's a choice. Just like some people choose to mine, or be a pirate, you should respect that choice and not push your misconceptions onto other people. |
![Akrasjel Lanate Akrasjel Lanate](https://images.evetech.net/characters/885989083/portrait?size=64)
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
863
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:10:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
Oh god... so much bullshit
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![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2262
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:15:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:So maybe they actually do need a bunch more little dead end holes scattered here and there that won't fit a vast empire but are just right for an up and coming corp to dream about conquering only to later have to set their sights elsewhere because of their ultimate claustrophobia. Besides wormhole, you mean? Like that but with local? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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![Pinaculus Pinaculus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1304571486/portrait?size=64)
Pinaculus
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
165
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:17:00 -
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Ship design decisions are obviously made around small-gang play. Unfortunately that system doesn't scale up the same way in all cases. Why do you think null fleets are chock full of ships with resist bonuses and not local armor/shield rep bonuses? It seems like Null was just hastily tacked on, and the dev team have been slowly turning it into an actual part of the rest of the game since then. I don't fully understand all the animosity toward high-sec dwellers on this forum, though. It's like being angry at people that don't like peanut butter because it's your favorite food. As to whether null needs balancing....I can't really say. I've never had reason to go there, which is probably part of the problem. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
![Gogela Gogela](https://images.evetech.net/characters/696216850/portrait?size=64)
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1548
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:18:00 -
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You should lighten up. Try piracy. No commitment. No rules. No working for the man. ...and no "working" at all really.
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![Maire Gheren Maire Gheren](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92766598/portrait?size=64)
Maire Gheren
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:20:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Besides wormhole, you mean? Like that but with local? Like wormhole, but with a stable address behind a jumpgate. I'm one of the "Local is bad" crowd. Wormholes seem like they're pretty popular with the people who want their own little empire. The experience isn't exactly the same. |
![Jenavee De'amore Jenavee De'amore](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1625911621/portrait?size=64)
Jenavee De'amore
Perkone Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:24:00 -
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Again I don't think nerfing hisec is the answer to your prayers your looking for o.O alot of people will just unsub and that's about the jist of it....
Maybe if large null sec alliances started looking at themselves and thought how could we make our territories more appealing to attract activity in the form of industrialists etc. More industry would encourage production and would stock up empty stations where the average PVP'er could buy their ships, ammo, mods etc... This would then encourage more PVP encounters that everyone craves if not just general activity in these empty null sec systems!! I'm obviously just hypothesising, it's up to these players to do something off their own backs to provide solutions. Using the old chessnut 'nerf hisec' is just wearing a little thin if not boring!!
It's not the players in hisec that are at fault but the players that already live in nullsec who are at fault....
Jena o/ Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo.... |
![Seven Koskanaiken Seven Koskanaiken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91384710/portrait?size=64)
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:30:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
get a life |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
955
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:31:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
get a life freak
What an intelligent and fascinating retort. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2263
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:33:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Besides wormhole, you mean? Like that but with local? Like wormhole, but with a stable address behind a jumpgate. I'm one of the "Local is bad" crowd. Wormholes seem like they're pretty popular with the people who want their own little empire. The experience isn't exactly the same. Honestly the problem is that if so a blob will burn down your home eventually. If only because boat saw a structure and had a fleet of bored drakes. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Seven Koskanaiken Seven Koskanaiken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91384710/portrait?size=64)
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:33:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
get a life freak
What an intelligent and fascinating retort.
![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
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![Tian Jade Tian Jade](https://images.evetech.net/characters/106297372/portrait?size=64)
Tian Jade
Bad Bumblebee Incorporated
42
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:34:00 -
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Overall I will give you a 3/10.
Glad you are a happy little slave. :) |
![Piugattuk Piugattuk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/237825503/portrait?size=64)
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
179
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:50:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
I said it before I'll say it again, if CCP believe's that making hi sec worthless and a grief fest then go for it, money talks, if they lose clients because of it then so be it, if they don't fine.
You say your worth is based on what you bring to the community, really? How'bout their subscription, keeps CCP alive for the community, miners, industrialist, missioners, traders, PVP'ers, PVE'ers all add to the isk flow, no one entity makes eve work.
Everyone comes to eve for their own reasons including relaxing why should relaxation be what you define it to be?
Anyway this is such a nonsense.
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![Mars Theran Mars Theran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90002014/portrait?size=64)
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1404
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:51:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
You seem upset. Are you upset?
..sorry, had to get that out there.
..anyway, I think the point of your post is lost on me. I don't mine at all really; much less 14 hours a day. I don't multi-box and run missions or PvE sites. I do know someone who does though, and they mine too; sometimes even at the same time. Anyone else, and I'd swear they were botting.
I think you're missing the point. Nullsec crowd has no more earned the right to be special, than anyone else has. Not in general anyway. I got here first back in 03-05 doesn't qualify. You might have had to maintain it, but you never had to go through the hoops to acquire it that would be required now.
Do you get it? Probably not, but let me attempt to explain. You never had significant opposition. There were no heavily entrenched forces with years of digging in and manipulating markets preventing your entry back then. There was just open space and roaming, exploring gangs, rather like lowsec is now.
No, I wasn't there, but I understand what happens when you have yet to develop the resources or truly understand and have familiarity with the territory you are moving in to. There is no way you could have just waltzed in with SuperCaps and Carriers, and the game was much different then. The population is also much higher now, and experience has given the Nullsec crowd the ability to literally control that entire territory without much effort.
You might think it is effort, but you'd be wrong. 10000 people working towards a common goal against hundreds is not effort.
..anyway, whatever. It isn't something I spend a great deal of time concerning myself with, but don't think that because people don't want to become a drone amongst your entrenched forces that they are considering themselves special or entitled to things without earning them.
You'd be wrong. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2277
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:51:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:I said it before I'll say it again, if CCP believe's that making hi sec worthless and a grief fest then go for it, money talks, if they lose clients because of it then so be it, if they don't fine.
You say your worth is based on what you bring to the community, really? How'bout their subscription, keeps CCP alive for the community, miners, industrialist, missioners, traders, PVP'ers, PVE'ers all add to the isk flow, no one entity makes eve work. People will unsub if X !! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Maire Gheren Maire Gheren](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92766598/portrait?size=64)
Maire Gheren
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Honestly the problem is that if so a blob will burn down your home eventually. If only because boat saw a structure and had a fleet of bored drakes. So the ownership will continue to turn over and be available for conquering by relatively small groups of ambitious midbies if the current owners can't hold onto their space. I'm not sure how much of a problem this really is.... |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2277
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:53:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Honestly the problem is that if so a blob will burn down your home eventually. If only because boat saw a structure and had a fleet of bored drakes. So the ownership will continue to turn over and be available for conquering by relatively small groups of ambitious midbies if the current owners can't hold onto their space. I'm not sure how much of a problem this really is.... But the evil blobbers are stomping on people. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Mr Pragmatic Mr Pragmatic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92584078/portrait?size=64)
Mr Pragmatic
265
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:54:00 -
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Oh look this thread again.
Listen, We do build empires...its in the form of Isk, large piles of isk that make people like you jealous. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged. |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
971
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:56:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
Do you get it? Probably not, but let me attempt to explain. You never had significant opposition. There were no heavily entrenched forces with years of digging in and manipulating markets preventing your entry back then. There was just open space and roaming, exploring gangs, rather like lowsec is now.
No, I wasn't there, but I understand what happens when you have yet to develop the resources or truly understand and have familiarity with the territory you are moving in to. There is no way you could have just waltzed in with SuperCaps and Carriers, and the game was much different then. The population is also much higher now, and experience has given the Nullsec crowd the ability to literally control that entire territory without much effort.
Well, you certainly weren't there. I remember when BoB was going to own all of null and the goons were losing, and everyone was crying about the evil BoB hurting the game. I remember when BRUCE controlled Fountain, Syndicate, Cloud Ring, and Outer Ring and could project much further than that.
I remember when the Russians had an unbreakable hold on the Dronelands. I remember when the enemy had the classic doomsday (area of effect 75k damage) and 14 titans to hotdrop on us.
I remember being in the NC and fighting for survival against the hordes of foreigners (and NC dot).
We fought and won against the entrenched power blocks, you can too. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:57:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:Oh look this thread again.
Listen, We do build empires...its in the form of Isk, large piles of isk that make people like you jealous. Hahahahahaha Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:58:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Mars Theran wrote:
Do you get it? Probably not, but let me attempt to explain. You never had significant opposition. There were no heavily entrenched forces with years of digging in and manipulating markets preventing your entry back then. There was just open space and roaming, exploring gangs, rather like lowsec is now.
No, I wasn't there, but I understand what happens when you have yet to develop the resources or truly understand and have familiarity with the territory you are moving in to. There is no way you could have just waltzed in with SuperCaps and Carriers, and the game was much different then. The population is also much higher now, and experience has given the Nullsec crowd the ability to literally control that entire territory without much effort.
Well, you certainly weren't there. I remember when BoB was going to own all of null and the goons were losing, and everyone was crying about the evil BoB hurting the game. I remember when BRUCE controlled Fountain, Syndicate, Cloud Ring, and Outer Ring and could project much further than that. I remember when the Russians had an unbreakable hold on the Dronelands. I remember when the enemy had the classic doomsday (area of effect 75k damage) and 14 titans to hotdrop on us. I remember being in the NC and fighting for survival against the hordes of foreigners (and NC dot). We fought and won against the entrenched power blocks, you can too. That wasn't significant opposition ~~~~~~~~~~~ You got it from blues~~~~~ You got them nerfed ~~~~~~
I don't even know what else. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Maire Gheren Maire Gheren](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92766598/portrait?size=64)
Maire Gheren
Hedion University Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:But the evil blobbers are stomping on people. Is your vast empire really all that interested in taking and holding a non-contiguous dead end pocket with a Syndicate-esque truesec? It'd be more trouble than it's worth to project power into it. Might be a step up for some growing corp that's looking at expanding from piracy or FW though. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2283
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:09:00 -
[30] - Quote
Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:But the evil blobbers are stomping on people. Is your vast empire really all that interested in taking and holding a non-contiguous dead end pocket with a Syndicate-esque truesec? It'd be more trouble than it's worth to project power into it. Might be a step up for some growing corp that's looking at expanding from piracy or FW though. You haven't seen how excited boat gets when he finds a wormhole that goes somewhere inhabited, have you... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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![Ginger Barbarella Ginger Barbarella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92167415/portrait?size=64)
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:11:00 -
[31] - Quote
Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
975
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:13:00 -
[32] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok?
Because they're both the same game. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Lucy Ferrr Lucy Ferrr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91090567/portrait?size=64)
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:14:00 -
[33] - Quote
OP seems mad, show us on the doll where the big bad high-sec'er touched you. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2283
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:15:00 -
[34] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. Maybe you are the game. Like a loot pinata that you gank and loot drops out, we go to the forums and guess what we get... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Bane Necran Bane Necran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/600518667/portrait?size=64)
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1090
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:17:00 -
[35] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion.
You must be quite new. It gets 'rebalanced' every other patch or expansion.
The important thing here is that 0.0 remains as empty and broken as it is. We must never change that. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
![Grimpak Grimpak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/730676275/portrait?size=64)
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
579
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:18:00 -
[36] - Quote
posting in a "**** the police" thread. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
![Ginger Barbarella Ginger Barbarella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92167415/portrait?size=64)
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:21:00 -
[37] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Besides wormhole, you mean? Like that but with local? Like wormhole, but with a stable address behind a jumpgate. I'm one of the "Local is bad" crowd. Wormholes seem like they're pretty popular with the people who want their own little empire. The experience isn't exactly the same. Honestly the problem is that if so a blob will burn down your home eventually. If only because boat saw a structure and had a fleet of bored drakes.
I sincerely hope you see the monumental irony of what you just said, Goonie. ![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
978
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:22:00 -
[38] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Besides wormhole, you mean? Like that but with local? Like wormhole, but with a stable address behind a jumpgate. I'm one of the "Local is bad" crowd. Wormholes seem like they're pretty popular with the people who want their own little empire. The experience isn't exactly the same. Honestly the problem is that if so a blob will burn down your home eventually. If only because boat saw a structure and had a fleet of bored drakes. I sincerely hope you see the monumental irony of what you just said, Goonie. ![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
Confirming goons were never the underdog![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2286
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:23:00 -
[39] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Besides wormhole, you mean? Like that but with local? Like wormhole, but with a stable address behind a jumpgate. I'm one of the "Local is bad" crowd. Wormholes seem like they're pretty popular with the people who want their own little empire. The experience isn't exactly the same. Honestly the problem is that if so a blob will burn down your home eventually. If only because boat saw a structure and had a fleet of bored drakes. I sincerely hope you see the monumental irony of what you just said, Goonie. ![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Confirming goons were never the underdog ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Boat will turn on us one day, doubtless. Because the enemy found his jokes funny and his stories engaging.
Then we'll be doomed. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Ginger Barbarella Ginger Barbarella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92167415/portrait?size=64)
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:24:00 -
[40] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game.
This is so funny it's bordering on pathetic... If you don't like the way people are playing this game, quit demanding they play it YOUR way, and go build your own intarwebs spaceships game.
Oh, that's right: you don't have 1% of what it would take to do that, so you try (and fail) to play the part of playgound bully. Keep up the good work, Nerdy. Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
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![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
979
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:25:00 -
[41] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. This is so funny it's bordering on pathetic... ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) If you don't like the way people are playing this game, quit demanding they play it YOUR way, and go build your own intarwebs spaceships game. Oh, that's right: you don't have 1% of what it would take to do that, so you try (and fail) to play the part of playgound bully. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Keep up the good work, Nerdy.
Ah I was wondering what page the "rage harder aspie neckbeard bullie" defense would take to show up. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Tyberius Franklin Tyberius Franklin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1575457021/portrait?size=64)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:27:00 -
[42] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. Correction: It's the same non-linear progression game. Goals are free to be chosen and pursued, including relaxation and solo play. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2286
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:29:00 -
[43] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. Correction: It's the same non-linear progression game. Goals are free to be chosen and pursued, including relaxation and solo play. Tear collection is not a valid way of enjoying yourself. Such people should be reported to CONCORD for immediate... oh wait, not if they're not in highsec, opps Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Randolph Rothstein Randolph Rothstein](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92681758/portrait?size=64)
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
190
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:31:00 -
[44] - Quote
ok ok calm down
i think its time to tell everyone
we decided to keep the game as it is for now
we do not rule out rebalance in the future tho
you are welcome |
![Tyberius Franklin Tyberius Franklin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1575457021/portrait?size=64)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:37:00 -
[45] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. Correction: It's the same non-linear progression game. Goals are free to be chosen and pursued, including relaxation and solo play. Tear collection is not a valid way of enjoying yourself. Such people should be reported to CONCORD for immediate... oh wait, not if they're not in highsec, opps Worthy of note: "including" Gëá "limited to" Also worthy of note: Clearly no one ever dies in highsec outside of wardec's because of CONCORD |
![Elvis Fett Elvis Fett](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90985806/portrait?size=64)
Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
149
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:49:00 -
[46] - Quote
Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:But the evil blobbers are stomping on people. Is your vast empire really all that interested in taking and holding a non-contiguous dead end pocket with a Syndicate-esque truesec? It'd be more trouble than it's worth to project power into it. Might be a step up for some growing corp that's looking at expanding from piracy or FW though.
Just for the record there is no step up from faction warfare. FW is the upper echelon of PvP players. Moving to nul from FW low-sec is like dropping out of Havard to attend your local community college with 150 students. |
![Grimpak Grimpak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/730676275/portrait?size=64)
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
579
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. Correction: It's the same non-linear progression game. Goals are free to be chosen and pursued, including relaxation and solo play. Tear collection is not a valid way of enjoying yourself. Such people should be reported to CONCORD for immediate... oh wait, not if they're not in highsec, opps I don't know... empire tears have a different taste if you ask me. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:04:00 -
[48] - Quote
Elvis Fett wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:But the evil blobbers are stomping on people. Is your vast empire really all that interested in taking and holding a non-contiguous dead end pocket with a Syndicate-esque truesec? It'd be more trouble than it's worth to project power into it. Might be a step up for some growing corp that's looking at expanding from piracy or FW though. Just for the record there is no step up from faction warfare. FW is the upper echelon of PvP players. Moving to nul from FW low-sec is like dropping out of Havard to attend your local community college with 150 students. Except a drake blob has usually 250+ players. And when there's multiple blobs, it's much larger. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Beekeeper Bob Beekeeper Bob](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91646512/portrait?size=64)
Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
343
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:06:00 -
[49] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
Were you born this way? Or did something in your life make you think you could speak for everyone else?
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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![Bane Necran Bane Necran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/600518667/portrait?size=64)
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1246
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:08:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Except a drake blob has usually 250+ players. And when there's multiple blobs, it's much larger.
If only things were easier the smaller the group you're in, instead of the opposite being true. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
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![Inxentas Ultramar Inxentas Ultramar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91175558/portrait?size=64)
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
199
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:13:00 -
[51] - Quote
Then I'll just come forth and say it. Rage harder, aspie neckbeard bully. |
![Mars Theran Mars Theran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90002014/portrait?size=64)
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1531
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Mars Theran wrote:
Do you get it? Probably not, but let me attempt to explain. You never had significant opposition. There were no heavily entrenched forces with years of digging in and manipulating markets preventing your entry back then. There was just open space and roaming, exploring gangs, rather like lowsec is now.
No, I wasn't there, but I understand what happens when you have yet to develop the resources or truly understand and have familiarity with the territory you are moving in to. There is no way you could have just waltzed in with SuperCaps and Carriers, and the game was much different then. The population is also much higher now, and experience has given the Nullsec crowd the ability to literally control that entire territory without much effort.
Well, you certainly weren't there. I remember when BoB was going to own all of null and the goons were losing, and everyone was crying about the evil BoB hurting the game. I remember when BRUCE controlled Fountain, Syndicate, Cloud Ring, and Outer Ring and could project much further than that. I remember when the Russians had an unbreakable hold on the Dronelands. I remember when the enemy had the classic doomsday (area of effect 75k damage) and 14 titans to hotdrop on us. I remember being in the NC and fighting for survival against the hordes of foreigners (and NC dot). We fought and won against the entrenched power blocks, you can too.
I'm sure there were no large, entrenched powerblocs before that. ..I'm also fairly certain that mechanics and various other game features were much different then.
How long was it before they built the first Titan anyway?
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![Mars Theran Mars Theran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90002014/portrait?size=64)
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1531
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game.
No.. no they're not. The point of a sandbox is that you can play many different games in it. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
![Jamyl Khanid Jamyl Khanid](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92781052/portrait?size=64)
Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:23:00 -
[54] - Quote
Wasn't High Sec supposed to end on 12/21/12? |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:23:00 -
[55] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Like all the other forum warriors, you just don't get it.
I and many others have explained it countless times, and you guys just CHOOSE not to get it. That makes it your problem.
You play your game, I'll play mine. Why is that such a hard concept for your forum warriors to grok? Because they're both the same game. No.. no they're not. The point of a sandbox is that you can play many different games in it. The poke the miner game will be shut down due to requests from the miners.
The autopiloting freighter game has received rave reviews and is due for a balancing patch to reduce the frequency of successful ganking attempts. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Malphilos Malphilos](https://images.evetech.net/characters/189066927/portrait?size=64)
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:33:00 -
[56] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote: EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
Really? The box I have says:
"Conspire with thousands of others to bring the galaxy to its knees, or go it alone and share the glory with no one."
I understand that's from well before your time, but you're still wrong.
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![Masamune Dekoro Masamune Dekoro](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90535490/portrait?size=64)
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
OP, please find the largest dictionary you can, open up to 'Sandbox' (it's under 'S', just in case you can't find it), bring your face really close to the page then firmly smack the book closed around your head, repeatedly, until you can comprehend what type of game this is. |
![Herzog Wolfhammer Herzog Wolfhammer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/805810401/portrait?size=64)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2062
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:20:00 -
[58] - Quote
Oh look, another thread of how things should be and what everybody else is supposed to think.
It would be funny if RL politics and legal matters didn't have these same elements. Makes me wish the world would go "mad max".
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![Kitty Bear Kitty Bear](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91881080/portrait?size=64)
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
362
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:32:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jenavee De'amore wrote:Again I don't think nerfing hisec is the answer to your prayers your looking for o.O alot of people will just unsub and that's about the jist of it....
Maybe if large null sec alliances started looking at themselves and thought how could we make our territories more appealing to attract activity in the form of industrialists etc. More industry would encourage production and would stock up empty stations where the average PVP'er could buy their ships, ammo, mods etc... This would then encourage more PVP encounters that everyone craves if not just general activity in these empty null sec systems!! I'm obviously just hypothesising, it's up to these players to do something off their own backs to provide solutions. Using the old chessnut 'nerf hisec' is just wearing a little thin if not boring!!
It's not the players in hisec that are at fault but the players that already live in nullsec who are at fault....
Jena o/
How industry works in Nul needs to change too theres only CCP that can do that .. and so far they haven't no I don't play in Nul, atm I don't want to, but Industry there does need ccp's attention.
the other problem you ahve is the players, if ccp focus on industry they complain about the lack of 'pew attention' if ccp focus on 'the pew' they complain about broken industry |
![Arduemont Arduemont](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1745772701/portrait?size=64)
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
998
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:44:00 -
[60] - Quote
These threads are getting really old. I don't care about highsec, and I dont care about nullsec and I certainly don't care what high seccers think of null seccers and vice versa. Get over yourselves. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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![Zaknussem Zaknussem](https://images.evetech.net/characters/911479220/portrait?size=64)
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
16
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:48:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:the other problem you ahve is the players, if ccp focus on industry they complain about the lack of 'pew attention' if ccp focus on 'the pew' they complain about broken industry
So true.
CCP ignored the playerbase (at least) once and gave us Incarna. Players raged. CCP listened to the playerbase (at least) once and gave us Crucible. Players raged (once the high wore off).
It's a lose-lose situation. Even Aesop wrote a fable about this: You can't ever please everyone. |
![ElQuirko ElQuirko](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1770044067/portrait?size=64)
ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
990
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:55:00 -
[62] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:
I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community. Ladies and gentlemen, the reason why nobody values these posts. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1207
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:59:00 -
[63] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Except a drake blob has usually 250+ players. And when there's multiple blobs, it's much larger. If only things were easier the smaller the group you're in, instead of the opposite being true.
I can say ironically that the smaller a gang is the easier it is to manage/trust everyone is doing the right thing. |
![Mocam Mocam](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1926765184/portrait?size=64)
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
198
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:11:00 -
[64] - Quote
LOL!!!
For almost half a decade nullsec has fought against what that brain damaged individual just posted as how nullsec & eve in general should be seen.
It's not "clones & drones" fighting big battles.. Yet what does this twit post? Read what he says again..
R&R time is not for rest & relaxation but "work". Damn but that is one hell of a fubar attitude. Forfeiture of individuality - you bring nothing special to 'the blob" in nullsec... No small fighting - only blobs is how things should be.
I suppose a lot has changed since the old days but I don't think even a large portion of nullsec would care for the ideas he expressed.
And folks wonder why many refuse to go to null these days - to give up their personalities to a hoard mentality and find themselves not "gaming" but "working" at it ? Oh yeah, that sounds like such a very attractive place to go!!!
Is his post a recruiting post "in drag" for highsec?
"Highsec - where you can be an individual. Where you can relax and play EVE as a game. Where INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GANGS operate daily to accomplish whatever tasks they set for themselves!" - with a null post "This must be STOPPED!!!"
yeah, a really good laugh. |
![Ginger Barbarella Ginger Barbarella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92167415/portrait?size=64)
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
985
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:25:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mocam wrote:LOL!!!
For almost half a decade nullsec has fought against what that brain damaged individual just posted as how nullsec & eve in general should be seen.
It's not "clones & drones" fighting big battles.. Yet what does this twit post? Read what he says again..
R&R time is not for rest & relaxation but "work". Damn but that is one hell of a fubar attitude. Forfeiture of individuality - you bring nothing special to 'the blob" in nullsec... No small fighting - only blobs is how things should be.
I suppose a lot has changed since the old days but I don't think even a large portion of nullsec would care for the ideas he expressed.
And folks wonder why many refuse to go to null these days - to give up their personalities to a hoard mentality and find themselves not "gaming" but "working" at it ? Oh yeah, that sounds like such a very attractive place to go!!!
Is his post a recruiting post "in drag" for highsec?
"Highsec - where you can be an individual. Where you can relax and play EVE as a game. Where INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GANGS operate daily to accomplish whatever tasks they set for themselves!" - with a null post "This must be STOPPED!!!"
yeah, a really good laugh.
QFT +1
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
![Haedonism Bot Haedonism Bot](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92474149/portrait?size=64)
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
82
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:09:00 -
[66] - Quote
This thread makes me tired. Why are you all so fascinated with hating each other's zones/styles of play. There is enough space out there for all of us. Nullsec is pretty much fine. Lowsec is pretty much fine. Highsec is pretty much fine. All of them can be tweaked and changed a bit to keep the game fresh, but none of them requires radical changes. Blobs are fine, small gangs are fine, solo is not the worst thing in the world. EVE is not made for any one of these play styles but for all of them.
I've seen too many of these tear soaked moanfest threads lately. Stop whining and change the subject, already.![X](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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![Ludi Burek Ludi Burek](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1213261663/portrait?size=64)
Ludi Burek
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:11:00 -
[67] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community. Ladies and gentlemen, the reason why nobody values these posts.
Actually, everyone is worthless until proven otherwise, in RL and eve. I am sorry you have not woken up yet to reality of human social structure and still think you mere existence makes you awesome. Reality is not always what you've been told. Participation medal winner Oh wait, I apologize, most people are worth something... as consumers (targets) to those creating products and or content.
Here is an nice video painting the reality: **** or walk |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:16:00 -
[68] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Except a drake blob has usually 250+ players. And when there's multiple blobs, it's much larger. If only things were easier the smaller the group you're in, instead of the opposite being true. I can say ironically that the smaller a gang is the easier it is to manage/trust everyone is doing the right thing. Coordinating multiple blobs is so easy, a moron could do it.
In other words, highsec should be able to beat us up easily since they clearly outnumber us. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Mars Theran Mars Theran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90002014/portrait?size=64)
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1531
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:masternerdguy wrote: EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
Really? The box I have says: "Conspire with thousands of others to bring the galaxy to its knees, or go it alone and share the glory with no one." I understand that's from well before your time, but you're still wrong.
Pretty sure some more recent advertising covers that as well, in the pre-game trailer
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![Katherine Jasmone Katherine Jasmone](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92677442/portrait?size=64)
Katherine Jasmone
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:48:00 -
[70] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:FoxBird Freir wrote:You can be casual and play with rl friends in 0.0, just a whole lot easier to have a base of opperations for such gameplay in high. Eve IS casual, doesn't get much more casual than offline lvling and isk grinding(r&d/industry). I have no problem with casual gamers as long as they don't expect things to be balanced around them and they are actually casual. Like I said ice mining 14 hours a day isn't casual, playing the market all day isn't casual, and running craploads of alts in a mission / complex / anom / asteroid belt is NOT casual.
Nope, it is another form of PvP and thus legitimate targets in one way or another. Gank, outstrip them of their resources or whatever works in order to give you an edge over your competition.
I am a casual gamer, but I never play EVE in a casual manner. One rule applies to all regardless if you are in null, low or high. "Check your six!"
Yes , I am an alt.-á |
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![Katherine Jasmone Katherine Jasmone](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92677442/portrait?size=64)
Katherine Jasmone
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
Zaknussem wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:the other problem you ahve is the players, if ccp focus on industry they complain about the lack of 'pew attention' if ccp focus on 'the pew' they complain about broken industry So true. CCP ignored the playerbase (at least) once and gave us Incarna. Players raged. CCP listened to the playerbase (at least) once and gave us Crucible. Players raged (once the high wore off). It's a lose-lose situation. Even Aesop wrote a fable about this: You can't ever please everyone.
This gets my +1.
Yes , I am an alt.-á |
![M1k3y Koontz M1k3y Koontz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91028659/portrait?size=64)
M1k3y Koontz
Blackened Skies
112
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:57:00 -
[72] - Quote
You can't nerf highsec. Yet.
Buff nullsec first, if you nerf highsec without providing a viable alternative for the manufacturing that needs to occur,, your just going to cause the prices of everything to go up.
Nerf highsec, swing the nerfbat, but make nullsec a viable place for industry first, there needs to be decent refining IN THE SAME STATION as a large number of manufacturing slots.
And htere needs to be better researching stations, the Caldari research station sucks, I've seen two caldari stations in nullsec, EVER. This after having lived in 4 different (sov) 0.0 regions and countless roams through at least dozen more.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
![Randolph Rothstein Randolph Rothstein](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92681758/portrait?size=64)
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
206
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:17:00 -
[73] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:Actually, everyone is worthless until proven otherwise, in RL and eve. I am sorry you have not woken up yet to reality of human social structure and still think you mere existence makes you awesome. Reality is not always what you've been told. Participation medal winner ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Oh wait, I apologize, most people are worth something... as consumers (targets) to those creating products and or content.
well actually your mere existence makes you awesome
GÇ£The knowledge that the atoms that comprise life on earth - the atoms that make up the human body, are traceable to the crucibles that cooked light elements into heavy elements in their core under extreme temperatures and pressures. These stars- the high mass ones among them- went unstable in their later years- they collapsed and then exploded- scattering their enriched guts across the galaxy- guts made of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and all the fundamental ingredients of life itself. These ingredients become part of gas clouds that condense, collapse, form the next generation of solar systems- stars with orbiting planets. And those planets now have the ingredients for life itself. So that when I look up at the night sky, and I know that yes we are part of this universe, we are in this universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the universe is in us. When I reflect on that fact, I look up- many people feel small, cause their small and the universe is big. But I feel big because my atoms came from those stars.GÇ¥
BAM!!! you have been Neil deGrasse Tysoned in the face!!!! |
![Sir Diablos Sir Diablos](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1428001086/portrait?size=64)
Sir Diablos
The Plebian Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:19:00 -
[74] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
Hmmm...tell me more about this conspiracy theory of yours.
The devil is in the details... |
![Surfin's PlunderBunny Surfin's PlunderBunny](https://images.evetech.net/characters/220512235/portrait?size=64)
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5449
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:20:00 -
[75] - Quote
Randolph Rothstein wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Actually, everyone is worthless until proven otherwise, in RL and eve. I am sorry you have not woken up yet to reality of human social structure and still think you mere existence makes you awesome. Reality is not always what you've been told. Participation medal winner ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Oh wait, I apologize, most people are worth something... as consumers (targets) to those creating products and or content. well actually your mere existence makes you awesome GÇ£The knowledge that the atoms that comprise life on earth - the atoms that make up the human body, are traceable to the crucibles that cooked light elements into heavy elements in their core under extreme temperatures and pressures. These stars- the high mass ones among them- went unstable in their later years- they collapsed and then exploded- scattering their enriched guts across the galaxy- guts made of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and all the fundamental ingredients of life itself. These ingredients become part of gas clouds that condense, collapse, form the next generation of solar systems- stars with orbiting planets. And those planets now have the ingredients for life itself. So that when I look up at the night sky, and I know that yes we are part of this universe, we are in this universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the universe is in us. When I reflect on that fact, I look up- many people feel small, cause their small and the universe is big. But I feel big because my atoms came from those stars.GÇ¥ BAM!!! you have been Neil deGrasse Tysoned in the face!!!!
Tyson has argued that the concept of intelligent design towards the advance of scientific knowledge. <--- Haha no wonder he has an inflated sense of self importance "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
![Randolph Rothstein Randolph Rothstein](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92681758/portrait?size=64)
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
206
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:32:00 -
[76] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Tyson has argued that the concept of intelligent design towards the advance of scientific knowledge. <--- Haha no wonder he has an inflated sense of self importance
wow did you just quoted wikipedia? dont do that,there is missing context and this is wrong forum for debate about it
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![James Amril-Kesh James Amril-Kesh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90869773/portrait?size=64)
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:37:00 -
[77] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Tyson has argued that the concept of intelligent design towards the advance of scientific knowledge. <--- Haha no wonder he has an inflated sense of self importance What you said doesn't make any sense. It's not even a complete sentence. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:40:00 -
[78] - Quote
Randolph Rothstein wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Tyson has argued that the concept of intelligent design towards the advance of scientific knowledge. <--- Haha no wonder he has an inflated sense of self importance
wow did you just quoted wikipedia? dont do that,there is missing context and this is wrong forum for debate about it Missing context is what GD is all about. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Karrl Tian Karrl Tian](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92471082/portrait?size=64)
Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion.
Yeah the last two were great.
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![Bohoba Bohoba](https://images.evetech.net/characters/923459818/portrait?size=64)
Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
15
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:02:00 -
[80] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. You seem upset. Are you upset? ![Smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) ..sorry, had to get that out there. ..anyway, I think the point of your post is lost on me. I don't mine at all really; much less 14 hours a day. I don't multi-box and run missions or PvE sites. I do know someone who does though, and they mine too; sometimes even at the same time. Anyone else, and I'd swear they were botting. I think you're missing the point. Nullsec crowd has no more earned the right to be special, than anyone else has. Not in general anyway. I got here first back in 03-05 doesn't qualify. You might have had to maintain it, but you never had to go through the hoops to acquire it that would be required now. Do you get it? Probably not, but let me attempt to explain. You never had significant opposition. There were no heavily entrenched forces with years of digging in and manipulating markets preventing your entry back then. There was just open space and roaming, exploring gangs, rather like lowsec is now. No, I wasn't there, but I understand what happens when you have yet to develop the resources or truly understand and have familiarity with the territory you are moving in to. There is no way you could have just waltzed in with SuperCaps and Carriers, and the game was much different then. The population is also much higher now, and experience has given the Nullsec crowd the ability to literally control that entire territory without much effort. You might think it is effort, but you'd be wrong. 10000 people working towards a common goal against hundreds is not effort. ..anyway, whatever. It isn't something I spend a great deal of time concerning myself with, but don't think that because people don't want to become a drone amongst your entrenched forces that they are considering themselves special or entitled to things without earning them. You'd be wrong.
humm I remember no player made stations only pos's and conqurable stations no cap ships it was pos wars for sov and 4-6 hours to take a station or a pos with Bs's and whatnots :) gawd the amount of ammo used back then :)
so I for one do know what it truly is like to cut my way into o.o taking space the hard way was up to 12 hours a day pew pew now every thing is done in 15 min with cap ship blobs and u move on to next system no sweet no tears just evaporate the systems with ease sometime a fight may arise but if a system is locked down properly all threat can be removed
to easy still to railroad sov |
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![James Amril-Kesh James Amril-Kesh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90869773/portrait?size=64)
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:03:00 -
[81] - Quote
Karrl Tian wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion. Yeah the last two were great.
![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:26:00 -
[82] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion. Yeah the last two were great. ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Next, more EHP for freighters. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Allota Lovin Allota Lovin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/459405688/portrait?size=64)
Allota Lovin
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:46:00 -
[83] - Quote
Oh , this whine again! masternerdguy tears are best tears! |
![Acac Sunflyier Acac Sunflyier](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1651953118/portrait?size=64)
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
471
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:49:00 -
[84] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
Same goes for goonswarm, test alliance, -a-, pl, suddenly spaceships, etc. Null sec blob fests are boring. Station grinding is boring. Moon reactions are boring.
masternerdguy wrote: Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
What nerf? Nobody has even said anything about nerfs. So far CCP has only talked about pos revamps and ship re balancing. Honestly, your post reeks of a misinformed person from lowsec whos only positive aspect is a positive killboard (who even cares about kill boards, the metagame, anyway?).
Instead of spewing out the a-typical garbage from 1/4 the argument, why not come up with a constructive idea for how high, low, and null should work together rather than banter on about an imaginary nerf? There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
![Mars Theran Mars Theran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90002014/portrait?size=64)
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
1530
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:54:00 -
[85] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote: Instead of spewing out the a-typical garbage from 1/4 the argument, why not come up with a constructive idea for how high, low, and null should work together rather than banter on about an imaginary nerf?
+1 from me, either way. It's a senseless argument no matter which side you're on. Null needs Industry changes. Highsec needs to see what happens with Industry changes in Null and how both are effected. Low will benefit from it either way I suspect.
You can't nerf Null, and there is no point nerfing Highsec without first seeing what happens when you make Cluster-spanning game changing adjustments to Null. Any change for the better there is going to have drastic effects on everything everywhere else, unless Null players just ignore it and continue on as they were, or use it internally, while pretending it has no impact or effect on them.
Even then, in the latter case, the ripples will be felt I'm sure.
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![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:55:00 -
[86] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
Same goes for goonswarm, test alliance, -a-, pl, suddenly spaceships, etc. Null sec blob fests are boring. Station grinding is boring. Moon reactions are boring. Basically, EVE Online is boring. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Acac Sunflyier Acac Sunflyier](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1651953118/portrait?size=64)
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
471
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:12:00 -
[87] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
Same goes for goonswarm, test alliance, -a-, pl, suddenly spaceships, etc. Null sec blob fests are boring. Station grinding is boring. Moon reactions are boring. Basically, EVE Online is boring.
Sov space isn't the only area in eve. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
![Flurk Hellbron Flurk Hellbron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91020154/portrait?size=64)
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:14:00 -
[88] - Quote
I Won't Build "Your Empire"
I didn't even ask you to do so? |
![Acac Sunflyier Acac Sunflyier](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1651953118/portrait?size=64)
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
471
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:16:00 -
[89] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote: Low will benefit from it either way I suspect.
Sort of. Faction warfare is it's thing. But there's huge aspects of low still broken. At least now with the venture, some of the ore is at least being mine for the first time in 10 years.
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1207
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:47:00 -
[90] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
Same goes for goonswarm, test alliance, -a-, pl, suddenly spaceships, etc. Null sec blob fests are boring. Station grinding is boring. Moon reactions are boring.
One thing that is often overlooked when flying with large coalitions/alliances is that you can often find a subgroup within the alliance that does just about anything, and unlike small corps that do these things I have a vast and easy talent pool for recruiting whenever numbers start to dwindle.
For instance I recently helped revitalize our baby blops wing and I'm rarely found in a fleet that numbers over 20 people. We usually live deep in someone else's territory, and the only thing we have to do with pos's is on occasion we steal one that someone is unanchoring.
I won't say I've never been a member of the blob, I have, but I don't enjoy it as much as what I do now, and my recent killboard activity kind of reflects that renewed interest. |
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![Eli Green Eli Green](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90981573/portrait?size=64)
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
304
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:55:00 -
[91] - Quote
Zaknussem wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:the other problem you ahve is the players, if ccp focus on industry they complain about the lack of 'pew attention' if ccp focus on 'the pew' they complain about broken industry So true. CCP ignored the playerbase (at least) once and gave us Incarna. Players raged. CCP listened to the playerbase (at least) once and gave us Crucible. Players raged (once the high wore off). It's a lose-lose situation. Even Aesop wrote a fable about this: You can't ever please everyone.
NERF THE PLAYERS ![Twisted](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) wumbo |
![Acac Sunflyier Acac Sunflyier](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1651953118/portrait?size=64)
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
471
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Posted - 2012.12.28 05:06:00 -
[92] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
Same goes for goonswarm, test alliance, -a-, pl, suddenly spaceships, etc. Null sec blob fests are boring. Station grinding is boring. Moon reactions are boring. One thing that is often overlooked when flying with large coalitions/alliances is that you can often find a subgroup within the alliance that does just about anything, and unlike small corps that do these things I have a vast and easy talent pool for recruiting whenever numbers start to dwindle. For instance I recently helped revitalize our baby blops wing and I'm rarely found in a fleet that numbers over 20 people. We usually live deep in someone else's territory, and the only thing we have to do with pos's is on occasion we steal one that someone is unanchoring. I won't say I've never been a member of the blob, I have, but I don't enjoy it as much as what I do now, and my recent killboard activity kind of reflects that renewed interest.
Yeah but the thing is some people are deaf and cannot speak in comms, which is often a must in null blocks. Some people only want to spend an hour a weekend doing some very casual activities.
Fact is I think high sec is fine the way it is. Keeps prices low, has a viable market. and introduced people to the game. Highsec has become a breadbasket that everybody can take from. Nerfing highsec would have too vast a repercussion on too many areas of space. It'd be very likely eve couldd enter another economic depression; the very least a recession. This is the worst possible thing that could happen in Eve. Nobody would buy anything cause your isk would be worth more and more the longer because the value of one isk would buy more and more. It would very easily turn into a tailspin.
I get that people are bored in null a lot of the time waiting for the cta. But I don't think nerfing highsec will get more targets in null. It'd probably cause many people to leave (The opposite of what we want to happen.)
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
![Wo nko Wo nko](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016041173/portrait?size=64)
Wo nko
University of Caille Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.12.28 05:14:00 -
[93] - Quote
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goon thread... stop posting kthx |
![Herzog Wolfhammer Herzog Wolfhammer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/805810401/portrait?size=64)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2067
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Posted - 2012.12.28 05:15:00 -
[94] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:These threads are getting really old. I don't care about highsec, and I dont care about nullsec and I certainly don't care what high seccers think of null seccers and vice versa. Get over yourselves.
Here's something we haven't all tried yet.
It's called "minding our own business".
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![Nick Bete Nick Bete](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1899228905/portrait?size=64)
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.12.28 05:28:00 -
[95] - Quote
OP can you please keep dumb-posting and get banned again? The forums were so much nicer with you gone. |
![Frying Doom Frying Doom](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1957742185/portrait?size=64)
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1191
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Posted - 2012.12.28 08:12:00 -
[96] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. I bring your attention to point 1
And ask why you bother to waste peoples time with a thread like this?
Actually never mind you may refer your self to point 1. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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![James Amril-Kesh James Amril-Kesh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90869773/portrait?size=64)
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.28 08:29:00 -
[97] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Arduemont wrote:These threads are getting really old. I don't care about highsec, and I dont care about nullsec and I certainly don't care what high seccers think of null seccers and vice versa. Get over yourselves. Here's something we haven't all tried yet. It's called "minding our own business". Oh, here I was thinking we were playing the same game on the same shard. I'm just going to go back to my nullsec server now where nothing you do has any effect on my game and nothing I do has any effect on yours. Oh wait... Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
![Herzog Wolfhammer Herzog Wolfhammer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/805810401/portrait?size=64)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2069
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Posted - 2012.12.28 08:53:00 -
[98] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Arduemont wrote:These threads are getting really old. I don't care about highsec, and I dont care about nullsec and I certainly don't care what high seccers think of null seccers and vice versa. Get over yourselves. Here's something we haven't all tried yet. It's called "minding our own business". Oh, here I was thinking we were playing the same game on the same shard. I'm just going to go back to my nullsec server now where nothing you do has any effect on my game and nothing I do has any effect on yours. Oh wait...
Are you OK? You seem kind of angry.
If you want others to mind your business, or you want them to let you mind theirs, you have to offer something for that time. It's an economical measure. Most people actually mind their own business, even in the largest shard we know of, known as the real world to some to dare to venture out of the basement.
I would say you should mind your own business because it makes sense. What could you have done to change things, other than a forum post?
Quite often in threads like this, there is much energy going into what people aught to do, while not really doing anything to change that.
If you want people to be involved in your game the way you see it, you have to come up with a way to let them be involved, either voluntarily or involuntarily, and in some manner that they benefit from it pertaining to their goals.
If you want everybody doing things that has some effect on each other, then you must really understand the scope of the activities. Recently I equipped a battleship with mods I never used before, and am running tests on it. This has nothing to do with anybody else, for now, but I suspect that somebody built that hull, and made those T2 modules. My present goals do not involve interaction with anybody else at this time.
But to understand the effect of things regarding interaction, and the scope of the activities, would be to try to find the crossroads where the map is too large. It's beyond my understanding. I don't know what I can do for you that can change anything for you at this time, and could not think of anything you can do for me.
Good luck trying though. I think that nothing is going to change until there are enough people ready to work on some very out of the box ways to mix things up a bit.
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![Akrasjel Lanate Akrasjel Lanate](https://images.evetech.net/characters/885989083/portrait?size=64)
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
937
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Posted - 2012.12.28 09:14:00 -
[99] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Can't wait for the highsec rebalance expansion. Yeah the last two were great. ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Next, more EHP for freighters. After this expansion they dont need it no more XD |
![Solstice Project Solstice Project](https://images.evetech.net/characters/688798363/portrait?size=64)
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2456
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Posted - 2012.12.28 10:55:00 -
[100] - Quote
I want a special overview icon for casual gamers, so i can concentrate all my guns on them.
Edit: In fact, we should create a group that specifically targets these so called "casual gamers". Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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![Dave stark Dave stark](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91039063/portrait?size=64)
Dave stark
1148
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Posted - 2012.12.28 10:57:00 -
[101] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:I want a special overview icon for casual gamers, so i can concentrate all my guns on them.
Edit: In fact, we should create a group that specifically targets these so called "casual gamers".
you've been doing a good job of that without the extra feature judging by how many bounty notifications i get from you. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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![Chribba Chribba](https://images.evetech.net/characters/196379789/portrait?size=64)
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
6545
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:00:00 -
[102] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. So exactly what is this nerf going to be?
/c
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![TharOkha TharOkha](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1326596198/portrait?size=64)
TharOkha
0asis Group
300
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:04:00 -
[103] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:"we are the borg. Resistance is futile"
Yes, this is exactly what your post is about. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
![Rhaetic Rhaetic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/389289960/portrait?size=64)
Rhaetic
Black Ice Consortium
56
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:07:00 -
[104] - Quote
In this thread:
Yet another know-nothing telling people what EVE is, as if they hold the magic key to a sandbox game. |
![Gabriel Santagalos Gabriel Santagalos](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92434783/portrait?size=64)
Gabriel Santagalos
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:24:00 -
[105] - Quote
I like the part about you "MIGHT" have fun someday, if you work your ass off, the best. I am obviously doing it wrong, having fun without sweating and working like a madman. I thought this was a videogame, ultimately played for fun, boy was i wrong!
Thanks for showing me the error of my ways, i shall go repent and flog myself until i am biomassed or something. |
![Jenavee De'amore Jenavee De'amore](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1625911621/portrait?size=64)
Jenavee De'amore
Perkone Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:42:00 -
[106] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
I am special!! Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo.... |
![killorbekilled TBE killorbekilled TBE](https://images.evetech.net/characters/580745956/portrait?size=64)
killorbekilled TBE
Initiated
169
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:14:00 -
[107] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
Thanks for sharing now go back to your seat
:) |
![flakeys flakeys](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1329003510/portrait?size=64)
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
689
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:17:00 -
[108] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:
I Am Special - Nobody is special.
I'd like to meet this character called 'nobody' he sounds special .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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![flakeys flakeys](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1329003510/portrait?size=64)
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
689
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:19:00 -
[109] - Quote
Rhaetic wrote:In this thread:
Yet another know-nothing telling people what EVE is, as if they hold the magic key to a sandbox game.
Posting garbage is his contribution to the community as such in his own words/mind he IS special.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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![Nessa Aldeen Nessa Aldeen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/920773668/portrait?size=64)
Nessa Aldeen
The Sword and The Shield
2
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:33:00 -
[110] - Quote
This guy from he was a nub until now still continue to post absolute drivel. Go learn Eve please, seriously. |
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![March rabbit March rabbit](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2062530289/portrait?size=64)
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
399
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:39:00 -
[111] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. nerf will happen. or it won't. without your help. without you trying to opposite it. you (and your opinion) just don't matter to fact if nerf will come or not.
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![March rabbit March rabbit](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2062530289/portrait?size=64)
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
399
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:44:00 -
[112] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
get a life freak
What an intelligent and fascinating retort. well.you deserved it. don't cry now. |
![March rabbit March rabbit](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2062530289/portrait?size=64)
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
399
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:00:00 -
[113] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Except a drake blob has usually 250+ players. And when there's multiple blobs, it's much larger. If only things were easier the smaller the group you're in, instead of the opposite being true. I can say ironically that the smaller a gang is the easier it is to manage/trust everyone is doing the right thing. Coordinating multiple blobs is so easy, a moron could do it. In other words, highsec should be able to beat us up easily since they clearly outnumber us. question is: do you worth attention of high-seccers? i think you don't |
![Ginger Barbarella Ginger Barbarella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92167415/portrait?size=64)
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1001
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:27:00 -
[114] - Quote
The troll got his 6 pages, guys. Let's let him fade back into obscurity again. Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
![psycho freak psycho freak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/601213300/portrait?size=64)
psycho freak
Snuff Box
134
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:47:00 -
[115] - Quote
op u missed the ppl like me and there are alot them
ppl who lived years in 0.0 and got bord ppl who just dont care about building empires ppl who dont care about other players ppl who like to do what they want and when they want
in genrial ppl like me ppl who dont give a sh*t about you or anyone els my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k
nop cant find it |
![Sentamon Sentamon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/176185550/portrait?size=64)
Sentamon
509
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:52:00 -
[116] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote: Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
... and another self deluded individual that thinks people will join nullsec alliances if highsec is ruined. ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
![Gogela Gogela](https://images.evetech.net/characters/696216850/portrait?size=64)
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2130
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:55:00 -
[117] - Quote
Meh... you can have fun in an alliance. It just depends on the alliance. Right now the game is geared in such a way that not enough people care about alliance warfare. I think that will change in the next year or two. I actually had a lot of fun when I was in the snigg noob-training corp. I've been in other corps that had wildly different styles of play and objectives, and each was fun in their own right. It's not 'work' when you are on a team and everyone is working toward some goal or just having fun. You just have to shop around for a group that is doing what you want to do... and that isn't easy since there are so many different groups out there.
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![Captain Death1 Captain Death1](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92684784/portrait?size=64)
Captain Death1
war dumping alt holdings
20
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:56:00 -
[118] - Quote
Reset game back to 0 sp o isk that will fix high and null sec that way all players are on even footing under any new nerf that might come
i like nerfs myself i enjoy the e-mails you get saying please come back and sub when games subs get low
yawn easy to blow a games subs out the window with bad idea after bad idea this is why you all play game and don't write the software -F for knowing anything about business![Evil](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_evil.png) |
![Buzzy Warstl Buzzy Warstl](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1025121971/portrait?size=64)
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
382
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:09:00 -
[119] - Quote
Sturgeon's Law ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law ) applies to player generated content as much as anything else. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
![Doc Severiide Doc Severiide](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92778455/portrait?size=64)
Doc Severiide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:11:00 -
[120] - Quote
There is always some useless loser coming up with multiple idiotic threads ad naseum. james315 and this guy are at the top of the heap right now... |
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![Doc Severiide Doc Severiide](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92778455/portrait?size=64)
Doc Severiide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:13:00 -
[121] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:masternerdguy wrote: Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
... and another self deluded individual that thinks people will join nullsec alliances if highsec is ruined. ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) I'd be gone in an instant...
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![silens vesica silens vesica](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1958910856/portrait?size=64)
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
304
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:16:00 -
[122] - Quote
And so does Sturgeon's Revelation. Which, if you must know, is the more proper cite. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
![Rutger Gist Rutger Gist](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92513297/portrait?size=64)
Rutger Gist
Lords of Larceny
8
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Posted - 2012.12.28 21:44:00 -
[123] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
Op, premise fail...
I have been playing EVE since 2004, and a majority of that time has been solo or in small corps of less than 20 people. Almost 99% of the time I've been in HiSec. 100% of the time I've been casual and relaxed.
I really don't get your point of this OP. I'm guessing you are glad that someone else's game play will be changed. How does that change your game play?
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![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:07:00 -
[124] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote: Yeah but the thing is some people are deaf and cannot speak in comms, which is often a must in null blocks. Some people only want to spend an hour a weekend doing some very casual activities.
Fact is I think high sec is fine the way it is. Keeps prices low, has a viable market. and introduced people to the game. Highsec has become a breadbasket that everybody can take from. Nerfing highsec would have too vast a repercussion on too many areas of space. It'd be very likely eve couldd enter another economic depression; the very least a recession. This is the worst possible thing that could happen in Eve. Nobody would buy anything cause your isk would be worth more and more the longer because the value of one isk would buy more and more. It would very easily turn into a tailspin.
I get that people are bored in null a lot of the time waiting for the cta. But I don't think nerfing highsec will get more targets in null. It'd probably cause many people to leave (The opposite of what we want to happen.)
I'm going to number your points so I can address them separately (and at least one not at all because I don't really get into that side of things).
1. On deafness: We actually have programs for that. For our alliance during the big ops there is usually a hearing impaired channel where the FC gets orders relayed for him. Again if you get big enough you have to deal with issues like this. That's how we deal with it.
2. I have nothing to say here really, I'm more interested in boosting null than nerfing high.
3. I don't do CTA work, the kind of warfare I engage in can be done at any time, mainly because I'm living balls deep in someone elses space. CTA's are for PVP'ers who prefer to "Live at home". From my staging system it's about 30 jumps home, and three carrier jumps. After that I'm generally about 10-20 jumps into someone elses space. I can simply login, get a few kills with my gang, log out whenever I want. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2587
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:11:00 -
[125] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:1. On deafness: We actually have programs for that. For our alliance during the big ops there is usually a hearing impaired channel where the FC gets orders relayed for him. Again if you get big enough you have to deal with issues like this. That's how we deal with it.
2. I have nothing to say here really, I'm more interested in boosting null than nerfing high.
3. I don't do CTA work, the kind of warfare I engage in can be done at any time, mainly because I'm living balls deep in someone elses space. CTA's are for PVP'ers who prefer to "Live at home". From my staging system it's about 30 jumps home, and three carrier jumps. After that I'm generally about 10-20 jumps into someone elses space. I can simply login, get a few kills with my gang, log out whenever I want. Three carrier jumps, sounds like we need some ~nerf power projection~ in this thread. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:14:00 -
[126] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:1. On deafness: We actually have programs for that. For our alliance during the big ops there is usually a hearing impaired channel where the FC gets orders relayed for him. Again if you get big enough you have to deal with issues like this. That's how we deal with it.
2. I have nothing to say here really, I'm more interested in boosting null than nerfing high.
3. I don't do CTA work, the kind of warfare I engage in can be done at any time, mainly because I'm living balls deep in someone elses space. CTA's are for PVP'ers who prefer to "Live at home". From my staging system it's about 30 jumps home, and three carrier jumps. After that I'm generally about 10-20 jumps into someone elses space. I can simply login, get a few kills with my gang, log out whenever I want. Three carrier jumps, sounds like we need some ~nerf power projection~ in this thread.
I feel like a peasant when I have to use gates in enemy space. It's doubly insulting because we made a more accurate jump bridge map than their internally used one. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2587
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:23:00 -
[127] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:1. On deafness: We actually have programs for that. For our alliance during the big ops there is usually a hearing impaired channel where the FC gets orders relayed for him. Again if you get big enough you have to deal with issues like this. That's how we deal with it.
2. I have nothing to say here really, I'm more interested in boosting null than nerfing high.
3. I don't do CTA work, the kind of warfare I engage in can be done at any time, mainly because I'm living balls deep in someone elses space. CTA's are for PVP'ers who prefer to "Live at home". From my staging system it's about 30 jumps home, and three carrier jumps. After that I'm generally about 10-20 jumps into someone elses space. I can simply login, get a few kills with my gang, log out whenever I want. Three carrier jumps, sounds like we need some ~nerf power projection~ in this thread. I feel like a peasant when I have to use gates in enemy space. It's doubly insulting because we made a more accurate jump bridge map than their internally used one. Wait, the enemies don't know their own jump bridges? I though it was supposed to make moving blobs around trivial.
I've been lied to ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Sergeant Acht Scultz Sergeant Acht Scultz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92200175/portrait?size=64)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:26:00 -
[128] - Quote
Jamyl Khanid wrote:Wasn't High Sec supposed to end on 12/21/12?
Better not, if it ever happens it's not just 20% personnel having a nice hand shake and goodbye letter. I don't think this would be good for anyone except for E-bay. |
![Sergeant Acht Scultz Sergeant Acht Scultz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92200175/portrait?size=64)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:27:00 -
[129] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:1. On deafness: We actually have programs for that. For our alliance during the big ops there is usually a hearing impaired channel where the FC gets orders relayed for him. Again if you get big enough you have to deal with issues like this. That's how we deal with it.
2. I have nothing to say here really, I'm more interested in boosting null than nerfing high.
3. I don't do CTA work, the kind of warfare I engage in can be done at any time, mainly because I'm living balls deep in someone elses space. CTA's are for PVP'ers who prefer to "Live at home". From my staging system it's about 30 jumps home, and three carrier jumps. After that I'm generally about 10-20 jumps into someone elses space. I can simply login, get a few kills with my gang, log out whenever I want. Three carrier jumps, sounds like we need some ~nerf power projection~ in this thread. I feel like a peasant when I have to use gates in enemy space. It's doubly insulting because we made a more accurate jump bridge map than their internally used one.
![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
![Krixtal Icefluxor Krixtal Icefluxor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/685842203/portrait?size=64)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3059
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:30:00 -
[130] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote: EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
Erm, but the Retribution ad sure pushed the Solo Villain Player. -áGÇ£Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.GÇ¥ - Oscar Wilde |
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![moep moep](https://images.evetech.net/characters/866729060/portrait?size=64)
moep
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:58:00 -
[131] - Quote
oki doki children, no need to argue around, uncle moep has something for everbody: ![Shocked](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_shocked.png)
Nullseccers:
Nullsec
Empire Dwellers:
Empire
No need to thank me , always here to save the day ![Blink](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png)
Greetz and have a nice sing-a-song!
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![AlleyKat AlleyKat](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1107987559/portrait?size=64)
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
651
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
Consider the people who are yet to play the game.
Comments and threads like this push the would-be gamer away, which is why this game is considered hardcore, and that it requires a significant investment of time and money to play.
Sorry, but that's the truth - and making the game even more hardcore deters too many people.
Some people just like to fly spaceships on their computer.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1042
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:13:00 -
[133] - Quote
AlleyKat wrote:Consider the people who are yet to play the game.
Comments and threads like this push the would-be gamer away, which is why this game is considered hardcore, and that it requires a significant investment of time and money to play.
Sorry, but that's the truth - and making the game even more hardcore deters too many people.
Some people just like to fly spaceships on their computer.
AK
So we're hurting people's feelings? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![James Amril-Kesh James Amril-Kesh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90869773/portrait?size=64)
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
2959
|
Posted - 2012.12.29 01:19:00 -
[134] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:masternerdguy wrote: Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
... and another self deluded individual that thinks people will join nullsec alliances if highsec is ruined. ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) And another self deluded individual who thinks that anybody wants highsec ruined.
Nerf is not ruined. Stop being crybabies. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2592
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:19:00 -
[135] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Consider the people who are yet to play the game.
Comments and threads like this push the would-be gamer away, which is why this game is considered hardcore, and that it requires a significant investment of time and money to play.
Sorry, but that's the truth - and making the game even more hardcore deters too many people.
Some people just like to fly spaceships on their computer.
AK So we're hurting people's feelings? EDIT: Also basing your game choice on the official forum whine is a bad idea. I won't believe that feeling are being hurt unless I see the tears.
Tears, please. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Proletariat Tingtango Proletariat Tingtango](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91606066/portrait?size=64)
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:25:00 -
[136] - Quote
"I won't build your empire" as an ethos really just drives home the stereotype of a shut-in libertarian comp-sci dropout as the stereotypical Eve nerd. Refusal to cooperate, delusions of grandeur, un-deserved self importance.
I just imagine an army of these guys, who multibox mining armadas and think they're entitled to the same things a group of like-minded, cooperative people can achieve, and who could probably influence this game for the worse if they could unify, but their artificially bloated egos prevent that. They all want to be The Guy so they sit in their chat rooms, jabber, mumble, etc., and post on eve-o and just whinge about how the game should cater specifically to this tragic breed of isolationist shut-in who rationalizes their loneliness and unlikability by loudly proclaiming their liberty and refusal to "Build Your Empire".
Take a bow guys. |
![dexington dexington](https://images.evetech.net/characters/101082271/portrait?size=64)
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
419
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:26:00 -
[137] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
I like how you ended you pointless post with a even more pointless threat... GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
![James Amril-Kesh James Amril-Kesh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90869773/portrait?size=64)
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
2959
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:28:00 -
[138] - Quote
dexington wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. I like how you ended you pointless post with a even more pointless threat... lol, you think that's a threat Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
![dexington dexington](https://images.evetech.net/characters/101082271/portrait?size=64)
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
419
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Posted - 2012.12.29 01:35:00 -
[139] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. I like how you ended you pointless post with a even more pointless threat... lol, you think that's a threat
I'm not sure i understand your question, it seems pretty clear to me he stated an indication or warning of things to come, even if the prediction is nothing more then laughable i would still at the very least consider it an attempted threat. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2593
|
Posted - 2012.12.29 01:37:00 -
[140] - Quote
dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. I like how you ended you pointless post with a even more pointless threat... lol, you think that's a threat I'm not sure i understand your question, it seems pretty clear to me he stated an indication or warning of things to come, even if the prediction is nothing more then laughable i would still at the very least consider it an attempted threat. Highsec' amazingness will never be lost to us Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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![Malphilos Malphilos](https://images.evetech.net/characters/189066927/portrait?size=64)
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:06:00 -
[141] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I just imagine an army of these guys,...
You understand that's got no connection to reality, right? |
![Lovely Dumplings Lovely Dumplings](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92684484/portrait?size=64)
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
14
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
It's really, in the end, massive differences in the "way" people play EVE. I'll be picking on Goons some, but they make a good example.
A new Goon comes into game, he or she is instantly told where to go. They jump into 0.0 with nary a care, smiles on their faces and shiptoasting on their minds. Popped ships get replaced, experienced FCs go over losses, everyone has a great time, newbie becomes a valued member of EVE life. It doesn't "feel" like empire building to the noob, because he's made welcome from day one, and just has fun.
Now, take your non-Goon newbie. If they struggle through the tutorial and stay, they get "Rookie Chat", which will tell you in no uncertain terms that Low/Null is awful, you'll get popped instantly, never go there. Here, do some mining. Or run missions! You need at least 500million SP to even be useful! They might join one of the 500 million "corps" recruiting for numbers, who never speak, plan ops, or do anything. Newbie quits, and another voice contributes to "LOL EVE is spreadsheets in space it sucks there's nothing to do."
Some of those noobs manage to carve out a spot in EVE being totally solo, and from them, we have the "highsec industrialist" multiboxers, from which "I won't build your Empire!" comes out of.
I don't know a good way to solve the problem. If you nerf high, it's only going to slow down the built in risk averse "I'm never going to null" highseccers. Nerf enough, they'll quit. Buffing null, which will help nullsec, isn't going to attract those people. If there were an alliance that was devoted to all new players in null, in the same way Goons are to their own, it might bring something back to EVE. I don't see that happening anytime soon. |
![Fal Dara Fal Dara](https://images.evetech.net/characters/965550956/portrait?size=64)
Fal Dara
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:42:00 -
[143] - Quote
OP has not a single point in his favor... which is funny...
But.. why do i highsec?
I started playing in 2004, and have been here ever since, asside from short breaks. Of that time, i spent about a year and a half in null... as an indy player. It was MISERABLE. After being a part of that, i and my corp tried renting--again, MISERABLE.
i could list the 100 reasons why it was mierable, but people with the mindset like OP wouldnt understand a one of them.
Why i live in empire:
I can long on any time i want, and go make isk with little risk (short of getting ganked on the undock or something). I can group with my NPC corpies to go do something, or help them. No time limits, no requierments or expectations. I can go mining, without having to give X% or 100% to some corp/alliance project i dont care one iota about. I can go mining, and not be told mining is banned for 30 days because of some pvp op. attendence in which is mandatory. i can go ratting (yeah right, like i do), without 100% taxes dropped on us because of an op. attendence in which is mandatory. I dont have to fuel pos's, with ice i have to mine while mining is banned--or haul it in with a JF from highsec. A neutral in the system doesnt stop me from doing ANYthing, unless i have friends--who are all prolly on an op i missed. I live in alaska. My time zone fits with NO ONE. ever. i gladly pay 11% more taxes so i dont have to worry about war. i would pay 100% if i had to. most isk NPC corpies make is NOT effected by taxes. I am not opposed to PvP--it's just that it's a waste of time for some one who could care less about owning space. I enjoy my implants. I live in alaska--there is NO WAY, ever, that i wont get podded in PvP. my 'lag/ping' is about 2 seconds. I dont like listening to others, when they have stupid ideas AND more power than me. they dont listen to sense. i cant make them. I dont share my isk. I make it, i keep it. as an indy toon in 0.0--all my profit making is taken, one way or another, by 'freetards'
freetard--"you mined it, it's free" ... "those datacores are free, used my RP" ... "if we make you use all your manufacture slots, we dont have to pay you, it's free" (hey, tard, i could be using those for PROFIT).
i dont know, i'm probably missing important things...
mostly it's that my npc corp and its people are stress free (asside from when one of you player corps sucks a newby up week-1 and then boots them in, compleatly ignorant of everything). I can do anything i want, when i want, and am not forced to participate in anything i could care less about. I am not forced to travel. I have TONS of people to talk to... that dont want me to do things (No, Oi, you cannot have a battlecruiser) ... i get to keep my isk (what little there is of it) and my implants. if i want to pvp, i can, it's just more difficult.
mostly i sit in my hangar and spin a ship while i chat. many ships. many beautiful and expensive ships.... does it make u mad that my astarte's slow slots cost more than your entire carrier+fit?... lols. i have 3. legions too--bought one, deadspace/faction fit it, just to look at it. it's beautiful. and useless... because i own it.
i have 130m sp's, and it's all wasted.
how's that make you feel?! :D
... hmm, slipped into trolling there. oops. |
![Wo nko Wo nko](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016041173/portrait?size=64)
Wo nko
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:47:00 -
[144] - Quote
down with goons/test/pl |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1046
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:47:00 -
[145] - Quote
Fal Dara wrote:OP has not a single point in his favor... which is funny...
But.. why do i highsec?
I started playing in 2004, and have been here ever since, asside from short breaks. Of that time, i spent about a year and a half in null... as an indy player. It was MISERABLE. After being a part of that, i and my corp tried renting--again, MISERABLE.
i could list the 100 reasons why it was mierable, but people with the mindset like OP wouldnt understand a one of them.
Why i live in empire:
I can long on any time i want, and go make isk with little risk (short of getting ganked on the undock or something). I can group with my NPC corpies to go do something, or help them. No time limits, no requierments or expectations. I can go mining, without having to give X% or 100% to some corp/alliance project i dont care one iota about. I can go mining, and not be told mining is banned for 30 days because of some pvp op. attendence in which is mandatory. i can go ratting (yeah right, like i do), without 100% taxes dropped on us because of an op. attendence in which is mandatory. I dont have to fuel pos's, with ice i have to mine while mining is banned--or haul it in with a JF from highsec. A neutral in the system doesnt stop me from doing ANYthing, unless i have friends--who are all prolly on an op i missed. I live in alaska. My time zone fits with NO ONE. ever. i gladly pay 11% more taxes so i dont have to worry about war. i would pay 100% if i had to. most isk NPC corpies make is NOT effected by taxes. I am not opposed to PvP--it's just that it's a waste of time for some one who could care less about owning space. I enjoy my implants. I live in alaska--there is NO WAY, ever, that i wont get podded in PvP. my 'lag/ping' is about 2 seconds. I dont like listening to others, when they have stupid ideas AND more power than me. they dont listen to sense. i cant make them. I dont share my isk. I make it, i keep it. as an indy toon in 0.0--all my profit making is taken, one way or another, by 'freetards'
freetard--"you mined it, it's free" ... "those datacores are free, used my RP" ... "if we make you use all your manufacture slots, we dont have to pay you, it's free" (hey, tard, i could be using those for PROFIT).
i dont know, i'm probably missing important things...
mostly it's that my npc corp and its people are stress free (asside from when one of you player corps sucks a newby up week-1 and then boots them in, compleatly ignorant of everything). I can do anything i want, when i want, and am not forced to participate in anything i could care less about. I am not forced to travel. I have TONS of people to talk to... that dont want me to do things (No, Oi, you cannot have a battlecruiser) ... i get to keep my isk (what little there is of it) and my implants. if i want to pvp, i can, it's just more difficult.
mostly i sit in my hangar and spin a ship while i chat. many ships. many beautiful and expensive ships.... does it make u mad that my astarte's slow slots cost more than your entire carrier+fit?... lols. i have 3. legions too--bought one, deadspace/faction fit it, just to look at it. it's beautiful. and useless... because i own it.
i have 130m sp's, and it's all wasted.
how's that make you feel?! :D
... hmm, slipped into trolling there. oops.
This is kind of neat, compare to this post.
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"I won't build your empire" as an ethos really just drives home the stereotype of a shut-in libertarian comp-sci dropout as the stereotypical Eve nerd. Refusal to cooperate, delusions of grandeur, un-deserved self importance.
I just imagine an army of these guys, who multibox mining armadas and think they're entitled to the same things a group of like-minded, cooperative people can achieve, and who could probably influence this game for the worse if they could unify, but their artificially bloated egos prevent that. They all want to be The Guy so they sit in their chat rooms, jabber, mumble, etc., and post on eve-o and just whinge about how the game should cater specifically to this tragic breed of isolationist shut-in who rationalizes their loneliness and unlikability by loudly proclaiming their liberty and refusal to "Build Your Empire".
Take a bow guys.
I can painstakingly list the points if you like.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Proletariat Tingtango Proletariat Tingtango](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91606066/portrait?size=64)
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:12:00 -
[146] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I just imagine an army of these guys,... You understand that's got no connection to reality, right? no you |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2593
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:23:00 -
[147] - Quote
Lovely Dumplings wrote:It's really, in the end, massive differences in the "way" people play EVE. I'll be picking on Goons some, but they make a good example.
A new Goon comes into game, he or she is instantly told where to go. They jump into 0.0 with nary a care, smiles on their faces and shiptoasting on their minds. Popped ships get replaced, experienced FCs go over losses, everyone has a great time, newbie becomes a valued member of EVE life. It doesn't "feel" like empire building to the noob, because he's made welcome from day one, and just has fun. This is called picking on people? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:28:00 -
[148] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:1. On deafness: We actually have programs for that. For our alliance during the big ops there is usually a hearing impaired channel where the FC gets orders relayed for him. Again if you get big enough you have to deal with issues like this. That's how we deal with it.
2. I have nothing to say here really, I'm more interested in boosting null than nerfing high.
3. I don't do CTA work, the kind of warfare I engage in can be done at any time, mainly because I'm living balls deep in someone elses space. CTA's are for PVP'ers who prefer to "Live at home". From my staging system it's about 30 jumps home, and three carrier jumps. After that I'm generally about 10-20 jumps into someone elses space. I can simply login, get a few kills with my gang, log out whenever I want. Three carrier jumps, sounds like we need some ~nerf power projection~ in this thread. I feel like a peasant when I have to use gates in enemy space. It's doubly insulting because we made a more accurate jump bridge map than their internally used one. ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png)
Believe it or not it isn't a joke. Part of what I'm doing right now is proving these whining nitwits that claim the jumpbridge kills any small gang/gank work in nullsec wrong.
Take this fellow here: http://topgoon.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15673360
We not only killed him, we killed him ON the jumpbridge itself. Drive by shooting.
Once you have a competent map, pair that up with Dotlan's hourly jumps filter and suddenly enemy space becomes a playground of kills. |
![masternerdguy masternerdguy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/102547565/portrait?size=64)
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1047
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:36:00 -
[149] - Quote
My previous alliance NSE went to Fountain to harass TEST for a few days with small gangs, covops, and black ops tactics and we killed lots of TEST on their own Jump Bridge Points.
We have it on video I think. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
![Lovely Dumplings Lovely Dumplings](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92684484/portrait?size=64)
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
15
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:42:00 -
[150] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lovely Dumplings wrote:It's really, in the end, massive differences in the "way" people play EVE. I'll be picking on Goons some, but they make a good example.
A new Goon comes into game, he or she is instantly told where to go. They jump into 0.0 with nary a care, smiles on their faces and shiptoasting on their minds. Popped ships get replaced, experienced FCs go over losses, everyone has a great time, newbie becomes a valued member of EVE life. It doesn't "feel" like empire building to the noob, because he's made welcome from day one, and just has fun. This is called picking on people?
EVE Law. You aren't allowed to say anything good about Goons, if you aren't a Goon. It's in the Highsec Carebear Charter, right after you swear to never activate your highs on other characters. |
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![dexington dexington](https://images.evetech.net/characters/101082271/portrait?size=64)
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
419
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:42:00 -
[151] - Quote
Lovely Dumplings wrote:A new Goon comes into game, he or she is instantly told where to go. They jump into 0.0 with nary a care, smiles on their faces and shiptoasting on their minds. Popped ships get replaced, experienced FCs go over losses, everyone has a great time, newbie becomes a valued member of EVE life. It doesn't "feel" like empire building to the noob, because he's made welcome from day one, and just has fun.
Now, take your non-Goon newbie. If they struggle through the tutorial and stay, they get "Rookie Chat", which will tell you in no uncertain terms that Low/Null is awful, you'll get popped instantly, never go there. Here, do some mining. Or run missions! You need at least 500million SP to even be useful! They might join one of the 500 million "corps" recruiting for numbers, who never speak, plan ops, or do anything. Newbie quits, and another voice contributes to "LOL EVE is spreadsheets in space it sucks there's nothing to do."
You are right about finding someone to hold you hand i very important, when you start playing eve. You are painting a very black and white picture saying that it can only happen with a null corp/alliance, many players have has a really good time in hi-sec corps like eve uni and rvb. I also think you are painting a overly positive picture of null sec scenario. A new player can also end up in a corp at war with a power block, and get his **** pushed in on a daily basis until he and his corp/alliance is forced to flee to hi-sec.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
![Tarryn Nightstorm Tarryn Nightstorm](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1764118845/portrait?size=64)
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
697
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:50:00 -
[152] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming.
Right, then:
Take the Goon-wanger out of your mouth, and try that again please.
Next!
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
![Fal Dara Fal Dara](https://images.evetech.net/characters/965550956/portrait?size=64)
Fal Dara
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:53:00 -
[153] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"I won't build your empire" as an ethos really just drives home the stereotype of a shut-in libertarian comp-sci dropout as the stereotypical Eve nerd. Refusal to cooperate, delusions of grandeur, un-deserved self importance.
I just imagine an army of these guys, who multibox mining armadas and think they're entitled to the same things a group of like-minded, cooperative people can achieve, and who could probably influence this game for the worse if they could unify, but their artificially bloated egos prevent that. They all want to be The Guy so they sit in their chat rooms, jabber, mumble, etc., and post on eve-o and just whinge about how the game should cater specifically to this tragic breed of isolationist shut-in who rationalizes their loneliness and unlikability by loudly proclaiming their liberty and refusal to "Build Your Empire".
Take a bow guys. I can painstakingly list the points if you like.
1. i dont multibox--and if i did, it wouldnt be mining. 2. 'entitled to' suggests i cant achieve them--other than a titan, i have. no entitlement felt or needed. no help either. 3. "the guy" not even close. This is a handful of posts i've made in the last 8 years. no one even knows me. 3a. I dont recall having ever 'whinge'd about being catered to. the OP on the other hand ... is nothing but a whinge. 4. the 'bloated ego' thing ... other than the fact that i own things most 0.0 people dont, and never will (because losing ships is spendy, and turns them into hobos), i dont see it. See me in my corp chat some time--i make no ilusions about knowing everything--infact, i'd bet i ask the most questions there on any given day. There's no 'ego' in that sense. ....4a ... and the reason you felt the 'ego' vibe, is becuase i was trollin for some idiot to reply...
5---but do go on. show me some of those points of yours. i need the lols. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2596
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:54:00 -
[154] - Quote
Lovely Dumplings wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lovely Dumplings wrote:It's really, in the end, massive differences in the "way" people play EVE. I'll be picking on Goons some, but they make a good example.
A new Goon comes into game, he or she is instantly told where to go. They jump into 0.0 with nary a care, smiles on their faces and shiptoasting on their minds. Popped ships get replaced, experienced FCs go over losses, everyone has a great time, newbie becomes a valued member of EVE life. It doesn't "feel" like empire building to the noob, because he's made welcome from day one, and just has fun. This is called picking on people? EVE Law. You aren't allowed to say anything good about Goons, if you aren't a Goon. It's in the Highsec Carebear Charter, right after you swear to never activate your highs on other characters. Just to add to the thought, I was chilling in rookiechat watching the spam fly by. A noobster asked if there was anything other than mining to do in EVE, and I saw "Nope, just mine till you get skills to run missions". This offended me to the core, so I explained how to pull a simple protection racket using alts, that any fresh off the bus could accomplish. Noobchat exploded with "That's wrong don't do it" "You'll get banned!" "Stop telling people to break the rules!" With that kind of welcome to EVE, it's no wonder people get so spazzed over bumping, ganking, and actual PVP. But remote repping modules are highs...
One of our newbies, about a week old or something, already pulled off like 5 successful, er, security deposits... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Thomas Orca Thomas Orca](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90488082/portrait?size=64)
Thomas Orca
Zero Fun Allowed Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
134
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:58:00 -
[155] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: But remote repping modules are highs...
RR requires some level of selflessness.
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![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2596
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Posted - 2012.12.29 04:00:00 -
[156] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:But remote repping modules are highs... RR requires some level of selflessness. You might be a neutral remote repper alt.
Though that's a bit more hazardous now. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1221
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Posted - 2012.12.29 06:50:00 -
[157] - Quote
Fal Dara wrote: 4. the 'bloated ego' thing ... other than the fact that i own things most 0.0 people dont, and never will (because losing ships is spendy, and turns them into hobos), i dont see it. See me in my corp chat some time--i make no ilusions about knowing everything--infact, i'd bet i ask the most questions there on any given day. There's no 'ego' in that sense.
What? A nullsec player is just as likely to spend money on "Spendy" ships as a highsec player. I mean I guess I could officer fit my ratting Vindicator and stuff it in my deadspace fit carrier just to make a ridiculous killmail happen.
I mean usually I'm stuck in a sabre for PVP because no one else flies them worth a damn, but if I wasn't I'd be in my Cynabal which I named Cinnabon. |
![Aramatheia Aramatheia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90839694/portrait?size=64)
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
82
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:03:00 -
[158] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems.
Thats probably the best part of the whole post.
Funny how its low/null folks who sit there and "cry" because high sec is the source for all thier problems too.
You want ppl out there, make it appealing, giant alliances that are chums with each other, or a land of gate camps hardly sounds like awesomeness, dont you think. But no go on, delete highsec, its the area of space in which most the news is probably generated, with all the gank missions hulkageddons and so forth.
Make Eve a boring as hell waste of server space. Maybe CCP might enjoy being able to focus on thier new game for a change |
![Nicolo da'Vicenza Nicolo da'Vicenza](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1136849519/portrait?size=64)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2266
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:06:00 -
[159] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote: But no go on, delete highsec, its the area of space in which most the news is probably generated, with all the gank missions hulkageddons and so forth. lol nullsec side projects are literally the only thing externally significant to have ever happened in highsec |
![SmilingVagrant SmilingVagrant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660340260/portrait?size=64)
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1222
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:10:00 -
[160] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aramatheia wrote: But no go on, delete highsec, its the area of space in which most the news is probably generated, with all the gank missions hulkageddons and so forth. lol nullsec side projects are literally the only thing externally significant to have ever happened in highsec
Yeah it is pretty funny. The only time Highsec makes the news is during Hulkageddon. Outside of that it's 0.0 news 24/7 with the occasional foray into something hilarious that Rooks and Kings did in Lowsec/Syndicate. |
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![AlleyKat AlleyKat](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1107987559/portrait?size=64)
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
651
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:12:00 -
[161] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:
So we're hurting people's feelings?
EDIT: Also basing your game choice on the official forum whine is a bad idea.
Well...
EVE does have a reputation as being a little bit tooooo serious sometimes.
It's a spaceship adventure MMO, not a rite of passage for acceptance into some hall of fame where only the ub+¬r elite dare to tread.
It's not the final year of an MD.
You gotta think about the genre: sci-fi - this is a very popular genre, and EVE should be attracting lots more players than they do or are, either that or they take the trial and say 'screw this - I just wanna fly space ships and do sci-fi stuff and have fun'.
Then they jump into null sec and get asked for their inside leg measurements, their blood type, whether they have any assets and then get asked to fill in an online form, have an interview on teamspeak, which is then deliberated and discussed behind closed doors...blah-de-blah.
Too serious for too many.
Mass market gamers just wanna have fun.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
![Nicolo da'Vicenza Nicolo da'Vicenza](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1136849519/portrait?size=64)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2267
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:14:00 -
[162] - Quote
AlleyKat wrote:'.
Then they jump into null sec and get asked for their inside leg measurements, their blood type, whether they have any assets and then get asked to fill in an online form, have an interview on teamspeak, which is then deliberated and discussed behind closed doors...blah-de-blah.
Too serious for too many.
Mass market gamers just wanna have fun. EVE Uni is harder to get into then nearly every nullsec corp i've joined hth |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2608
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:22:00 -
[163] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Fal Dara wrote: 4. the 'bloated ego' thing ... other than the fact that i own things most 0.0 people dont, and never will (because losing ships is spendy, and turns them into hobos), i dont see it. See me in my corp chat some time--i make no ilusions about knowing everything--infact, i'd bet i ask the most questions there on any given day. There's no 'ego' in that sense.
What? A nullsec player is just as likely to spend money on "Spendy" ships as a highsec player. I mean I guess I could officer fit my ratting Vindicator and stuff it in my deadspace fit carrier just to make a ridiculous killmail happen. I mean usually I'm stuck in a sabre for PVP because no one else flies them worth a damn, but if I wasn't I'd be in my Cynabal which I named Cinnabon. I need to see your officer fit Vindicator/deadspace carrier lossmail. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2608
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:22:00 -
[164] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aramatheia wrote: But no go on, delete highsec, its the area of space in which most the news is probably generated, with all the gank missions hulkageddons and so forth. lol nullsec side projects are literally the only thing externally significant to have ever happened in highsec Yeah it is pretty funny. The only time Highsec makes the news is during Hulkageddon. Outside of that it's 0.0 news 24/7 with the occasional foray into something hilarious that Rooks and Kings did in Lowsec/Syndicate. We accidentally their highsec?
Opps, did I drop a little ~ player generated content ~ in your secure space? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Jonah Gravenstein Jonah Gravenstein](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90810822/portrait?size=64)
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4757
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:30:00 -
[165] - Quote
AlleyKat wrote:
You gotta think about the genre: sci-fi - this is a very popular genre, and EVE should be attracting lots more players than they do or are, either that or they take the trial and say 'screw this - I just wanna fly space ships and do sci-fi stuff and have fun'. AK
You're right about the genre, it is hugely popular, however I think what puts people off Eve, and tbh it's no bad thing that it does, is that, unlike pretty much every other game out there, how you play has comparitivly severe consequences for both the player and the people they associate with ingame. It's the only game I've ever played one word in chat can cause a major war or a sudden and expensive death at the hands of other players, I gather UO pre trammel was about as close as you can get.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
![Alavaria Fera Alavaria Fera](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91492021/portrait?size=64)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2609
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:35:00 -
[166] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:AlleyKat wrote:
You gotta think about the genre: sci-fi - this is a very popular genre, and EVE should be attracting lots more players than they do or are, either that or they take the trial and say 'screw this - I just wanna fly space ships and do sci-fi stuff and have fun'. AK
You're right about the genre, it is hugely popular, however I think what puts people off Eve, and tbh it's no bad thing that it does, is that, unlike pretty much every other game out there, how you play has comparitivly severe consequences for both the player and the people they associate with ingame. It's the only game I've ever played one word in chat can cause a major war or a sudden and expensive death at the hands of other players, I gather UO pre trammel was about as close as you can get. What about post trammel? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
![Jonah Gravenstein Jonah Gravenstein](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90810822/portrait?size=64)
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4757
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Posted - 2012.12.29 08:01:00 -
[167] - Quote
post trammel? If Eve ever gets that way rest assured I'll be one of the first out of the door, never played UO myself but the people I know that did say that Trammel was the death of PvP in that game, everybody just beared it up on Trammel and Felucca became a barren wasteland.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
![TharOkha TharOkha](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1326596198/portrait?size=64)
TharOkha
0asis Group
304
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Posted - 2012.12.29 08:28:00 -
[168] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:"I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." So? Isnt this the main essence of SANDBOX gameplay?
Quote:This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
Interesting, so you made those assumptions yourself so you could disprove them later in this thread? Arent you a creationist?
Quote:You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems We what? This is becoming fun. Please check all whining threads about hisec from the last month, maybe youll find what kind of persons have problem (and if they come from hisec!)
Quote:The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Another fallacy from your "EVE-creationist" mind. nobody thinks that grinding missions or mining all day is casual play. ![Blink](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
![Aramatheia Aramatheia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90839694/portrait?size=64)
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
82
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Posted - 2012.12.29 11:38:00 -
[169] - Quote
im not trying to imply that no one does anything in nullsec, but seriously what exactly am i supposed to take out of "aliance a lost control of ZCX-257 to alliance b" its like really, 1 system who cares (just as an example, from things like i used to see in cq and on billboards).
Then theres hulkageddon and that really ignites the fires, or the burn jita those are the events that stand out more to me than anything that happens in null. Because turning highsec on its head is big, figthing in null is expected |
![Nicolo da'Vicenza Nicolo da'Vicenza](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1136849519/portrait?size=64)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2267
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Posted - 2012.12.29 11:40:00 -
[170] - Quote
anything of note happening in highsec is newsworthy |
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![Eight Two Eight Two](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92553438/portrait?size=64)
Eight Two
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.12.29 13:07:00 -
[171] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote: EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
Confirming that hard work and commitment is important in videogames and that people shouldn't be playing at all if they have jobs, families, their own house/flat, money, sex or a combination of the former.
There should be a personal background check when creating an account. OP thanks for pointing out, CCP please fix! |
![Frying Doom Frying Doom](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1957742185/portrait?size=64)
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1246
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Posted - 2012.12.29 13:10:00 -
[172] - Quote
Eight Two wrote:masternerdguy wrote: EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
Confirming that hard work and commitment is important in videogames and that people shouldn't be playing at all if they have jobs, families, their own house/flat, money, sex or a combination of the former. There should be a personal background check when creating an account. OP thanks for pointing out, CCP please fix! You mean your not a brain in a jar being fed eve directly into your cerebellum?
Get the infidel.
Oh wait no arm and legs ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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![Kitty Bear Kitty Bear](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91881080/portrait?size=64)
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
389
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Posted - 2012.12.29 13:25:00 -
[173] - Quote
Lovely Dumplings wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lovely Dumplings wrote:It's really, in the end, massive differences in the "way" people play EVE. I'll be picking on Goons some, but they make a good example.
A new Goon comes into game, he or she is instantly told where to go. They jump into 0.0 with nary a care, smiles on their faces and shiptoasting on their minds. Popped ships get replaced, experienced FCs go over losses, everyone has a great time, newbie becomes a valued member of EVE life. It doesn't "feel" like empire building to the noob, because he's made welcome from day one, and just has fun. This is called picking on people? EVE Law. You aren't allowed to say anything good about Goons, if you aren't a Goon. It's in the Highsec Carebear Charter, right after you swear to never activate your highs on other characters. Just to add to the thought, I was chilling in rookiechat watching the spam fly by. A noobster asked if there was anything other than mining to do in EVE, and I saw "Nope, just mine till you get skills to run missions". This offended me to the core, so I explained how to pull a simple protection racket using alts, that any fresh off the bus could accomplish. Noobchat exploded with "That's wrong don't do it" "You'll get banned!" "Stop telling people to break the rules!" With that kind of welcome to EVE, it's no wonder people get so spazzed over bumping, ganking, and actual PVP.
If it involves recycling those alts it is.
And 'mining' offends you ?? seriously, take a chill pill .. it's ONLY A GAME |
![MatrixSkye Mk2 MatrixSkye Mk2](https://images.evetech.net/characters/535146640/portrait?size=64)
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
474
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Posted - 2012.12.29 14:35:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:In many of the defensive cries from hi seccers attempting to justify that hi sec is balanced I've been seeing a recurring theme: "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." "I won't go to nullsec because I don't want to help build your empire. I want to build one with my RL friends." This is the epitome of the fundamental misunderstanding hi seccers have about the nature of this game. It is based on 3 incorrect assumptions.
- I Am Special - Nobody is special. Everyone is a worthless until proven otherwise. Your value is solely what you bring to the community.
- EVE is Relaxing - EVE has never been relaxing. It has been about hard work and commitment. You might have fun, but it will take a lot of work to get there.
- EVE is About Small Gang / Solo - EVE has never been balanced around small gang or solo, and this has never been pushed by any of the advertising. In fact the opposite is pushed.
So what do you resort to? You resort to blaming the evil nullseccers for all your problems and talking about how unfair it is that you might lose, or that setting up your 5 man alliance in the middle of Deklein won't work, or that you got blobbed. Then when that doesn't work you cry about how important it is to be a "casual gamer". The definition of casual gamer seems to be pretty flexible these days. I didn't know grinding missions or ice mining for 14 hours a day was casual. Anyway, the nerf will happen. Summer is coming. This post accentuates rather nicely why it is I stay away from null sec politics. And for that I thank you. I have to work hard so that some day I might get to have fun? You're mad because in this sandbox game I have declined your enticing offer of building your empire in the hopes that some day I too may have fun?
Thanks. But no thanks. I think I'll continue playing the game wrong and against your wishes and have my fun my way... If you don't mind.
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TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2012.12.29 15:04:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:This post accentuates rather nicely why it is I stay away from null sec politics. And for that I thank you. I have to work hard so that some day I might get to have fun? You're mad because in this sandbox game I have declined your enticing offer of building your empire in the hopes that some day I too may have fun?
Thanks. But no thanks. I think I'll continue playing the game wrong and against your wishes and have my fun my way... If you don't mind. OP thinks that if you enjoy game or somehow you relaxing by playing it ...YOU-¦RE DOING IT WRONG.. After all, missery and saddnes is the reason why we play games after work. isnt it GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
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Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
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Posted - 2012.12.29 15:51:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:anything of note happening in highsec is newsworthy
I think thats the point. Empire is not supposed to be as drama filled as more... er, "diplomatic" areas of k-space. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url] for details. |
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Doc Severiide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:07:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Consider the people who are yet to play the game.
Comments and threads like this push the would-be gamer away, which is why this game is considered hardcore, and that it requires a significant investment of time and money to play.
Sorry, but that's the truth - and making the game even more hardcore deters too many people.
Some people just like to fly spaceships on their computer.
AK So we're hurting people's feelings? What an idiotic response (again). That's not what he said. He said new people won't pick up the game if they think it's too much hassle. Man you are obtuse. (Yes look it up in the dictionary)... |
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:11:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:It's a spaceship adventure MMO, not a rite of passage for acceptance into some hall of fame where only the ub+¬r elite dare to tread.
I agree, but then I'm not in the uber elite. Convincing the uber elite of this fact, tho... yeah, good luck with that. They think they own the whole damn game.
They're easy to spot, too, because all their threads are the same: "Nerf everything except what I enjoy!" EvE Forum Bingo |
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Doc Severiide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:17:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
So we're hurting people's feelings?
EDIT: Also basing your game choice on the official forum whine is a bad idea.
Well... EVE does have a reputation as being a little bit tooooo serious sometimes. It's a spaceship adventure MMO, not a rite of passage for acceptance into some hall of fame where only the ub+¬r elite dare to tread. It's not the final year of an MD. You gotta think about the genre: sci-fi - this is a very popular genre, and EVE should be attracting lots more players than they do or are, either that or they take the trial and say 'screw this - I just wanna fly space ships and do sci-fi stuff and have fun'. Then they jump into null sec and get asked for their inside leg measurements, their blood type, whether they have any assets and then get asked to fill in an online form, have an interview on teamspeak, which is then deliberated and discussed behind closed doors...blah-de-blah. Too serious for too many. Mass market gamers just wanna have fun. AK Agreed. But I think you are wasting your breath on that short sighted nub...
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: EVE Uni is harder to get into then nearly every nullsec corp i've joined hth
They are the most Anal corp in the game too...
Katran Luftschreck wrote:I agree, but then I'm not in the uber elite. Convincing the uber elite of this fact, tho... yeah, good luck with that. They think they own the whole damn game.
They're easy to spot, too, because all their threads are the same: "Nerf everything except what I enjoy!" And they are funny too, so serious and all..but jerks at the same time... |
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