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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.06.05 21:54:00 -
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Is it an exploit to place a warp bubble 15km past the gate so its on the insta?
Simply yes or no will be fine.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:01:00 -
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no.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:03:00 -
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Your best bet would be to either send an email to [email protected] or file a petition ingame/out-of-game with your question. This will give you a answer from one of the GM team.
Regards
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Jacques Archambault
Your best bet would be to either send an email to [email protected] or file a petition ingame/out-of-game with your question. This will give you a answer from one of the GM team.
Regards
This answer will vary from GM to GM and each GM's personal opinion on the matter will change with the wind and what they had for breakfast 
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:37:00 -
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Clearly not. How else are pirates going to have a chanse getting to ppl with 8 wcs and instajumps?
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws
Clearly not. How else are pirates going to have a chanse getting to ppl with 8 wcs and instajumps?
quick lock times on the other side 
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Safaomae
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:51:00 -
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how's that going to help? surely you'll still end up at the gate, near enough to jump...? 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:54:00 -
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of course its not.
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Erephori
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Posted - 2005.06.05 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Safaomae
how's that going to help? surely you'll still end up at the gate, near enough to jump...?
Nope. If you insta into a warp bubble'd gate, you end up at the edge of the warp bubble, no matter how many WCS you might or might not be packing.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.06.05 23:02:00 -
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If that'd be an exploit then there wouldn't really be any point in actually having the warp bubbles.
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Thnikkaman
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Posted - 2005.06.06 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Thnikkaman on 06/06/2005 06:17:23
*sigh* I knew i should have just went bed without looking at any other Threads.
Ok, so your Insta lands you where the bubble is placed? Did they know where y |
Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
Is it an exploit to place a warp bubble 15km past the gate so its |
DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.06 13:37:00 -
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Why would this not be fair game play. Warp Bubbles are designed to stop people from warping and from using insta's. Right now Warp Bubbles are very uncertain right now, there are a lot of bugs with them. But they are in game, so you can use them how you w |
dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.06.06 17:13:00 -
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Quote:
AND BTW for using Insta Jumps you could get banned!
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Baruc
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Posted - 2005.06.06 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.06 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.06.07 10:23:00 -
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devs have admitted that bubbles do not work correctly in the last chat on omgrawr as I remember.
I don't expect any one of em to even boter with that.
The damn bubbles should catch anyone going to the gate, not just "a few" after you dance around the bubble for an hour, do some voodoo magic and sacrifice a virgin exotic dancer (as if there were any after I defiled them all).
Originally by: Oveur
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.06.07 11:18:00 -
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Well even tho its a bug it shudnt be an exploit since all it does is having bubbles do what they r meant to...
and yeh, bubbles r redicoulusly buggy, like when u warp at a 100km snipe spot not aligned with the bubble and misteriously end up at the bubble core, or when u jump thru dual med bubble yet end 1k from gate as if the bubbles werne there... not to mention jumping in a system and "spawning" right inside a med bubble yet being perfectly able to cloak AND warp out...
lol the only good use about bubbles imo is they cause huge graphical lag if u jump in them without zooming out the view, and those few seconds of stuttering are often enough to pwn the ship... 
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.06.07 11:48:00 -
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I got the impression that the devices are used to stop warping or bring ships out of warp (duh I know clarfiying for myself) Thus someone using one would place it in the "ideal" location to stop enemy vessels, if this is the insta point rather than the gate itself, then that is simply the user being adaptive. Else it would be an exploit to put them anywher else. including a distance from the gate, to catch ships early.
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 08/06/2005 11:38:39
i took the liberty of emailing our busy dev team about this issue.
Its not an exploit - ive been told you cant quote devs so i editing it before Eris gets her trip for the day...
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IonHammer
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: IonHammer on 09/06/2005 01:21:39
Originally by: kessah
i took the liberty of emailing our busy dev team about this issue. This is the reply i got
edited by Ion to maintain the non quoting of gm's on the board exploit :)
Anyway i hope this subject can now be put behind us safly knowing that there this is no exploit.
good job kessah
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Trina Tron
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Posted - 2005.06.08 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Trina Tron on 08/06/2005 01:40:49
It is clearly an exploit. Any strategy use in eve at all is an exploit. If someone uses strategy then you should post on eve-o about how something is over powered or itÆs about how its clearly an exploit instead of using counter strategy.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.06.08 03:23:00 -
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You cannot directly quote GM's or mods on these forums, so I would remove those comments before you get a warning from the mod team.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2005.06.08 07:03:00 -
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Does this thread actually exist? Did someone actually post this?
Please tell me I'm imagining it
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.06.08 11:07:00 -
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Kessah, do not quote DEVs...they dont like beeing quoted since they change opinions a lot  . But this DEV answer now makes it clear: bubbles behind gate are allowed. Still a little bit low to use this "feature"...it¦s not a bug 
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.06.08 11:11:00 -
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You bunch of arrogant trolls ever considered READING THE POST before flaming away?
The issue here is NOT about placing a bubble between 2 gates to stop insta jumpers.
The issue is placing the bubble BEHIND the gate, wer the insta BOOKMARK is - that is 15km FURTHER AWAY from where the dude using instas wud land so if bubbles wernt bugged it wudnt stop anyone but at the actual state they do, misteriously dragging the insta using guy 15km BEHIND the gate.
So yes, it is a bug, but probably not an exploit since it seems to be the best way to have bubble actually do what they are supposed to...
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.06.08 11:28:00 -
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Thankyou kessah. Still altho the devs may not like being quoted its nessary in this case as theres is obvious confusion, and unless the devs want alot of emails about the same thing. kessah has done the the leg work, and we can now leave this topic 
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2005.06.08 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tbone
Originally by: Supermonkey
It is an exploit because you abuse a bug to your own advantage. Why is it a bug? Because Warp bubbles aren't supposed to work like that.
BUT Warp bubbles are ****** up, bugged like ****, basically they don't work how they should and you abuse a bug to override another bug in a way that you actually use them with the same effect as they were meant to have exploit-free.
That means something like exploiting bugs to insure a bugged item to work like it should have to is no exploit anymore. Hope it clears things up.
Lay off the *****pipe.
Even with the pipe I seem to have a clearer view on some issues than others
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.06.08 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Berneh on 08/06/2005 22:11:36
start a mining corp and secretly build ships with -8 wcs strength
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2005.06.09 12:33:00 -
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as for not quoting...
iirc , its not allowed to quote a gm, however, devs arent gms, so quoting them should be all ok
after all you would suspect the guys at ccp know what they are talking about as oposed to some gms
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.06.09 12:51:00 -
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Would be fantastic to have bubbles work like they should tho. Maybe they'll get sorte right after corp tax gets put in .
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Grosvenor Corama
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Posted - 2005.06.09 13:46:00 -
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If it's private communications, you can't quote it, if it's a public statement ( like from the forums, or IRC public channel ) then it's fine.
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Rob Blob
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Posted - 2005.10.06 15:45:00 -
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Here is the reply
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I asked the bughunters about this and they can confirm that there is no problem with warp bubbles and that they are in no way broken. This sucking feature is intended, but the chances of it sucking a ship in successfully are not high. Since this is the case and due to the fact that there were no server problems at this time that could have caused this, we can not reimburse your loss. We are truly sorry for the inconvenience and we hope that you will recover swiftly. We understand your frustration, but unfortunately our hands are tied in accordance with the reimbursement policy.
If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help.
Best regards,
[GM]Zworm
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
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This game has decended to a new low. There is no indication in the description in their own item database of this behaviour, and one must wonder where the people who take advantage of this get this information from.
The statement that "This sucking feature is intended, but the chances of it sucking a ship in successfully are not high." is completely facile. They are quite evidently high enough for unscrupulous players to use this exploit.
I have cancelled my subscriptions and will no longer play a game that clearly endorses exploits and places unfair advantage in the hands of one group of players over another.
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clone 1
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Posted - 2005.10.06 16:03:00 -
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Don't forget your coat..
Having your way with corpses is bad m'kay.. as is thread necrofilia.
Your post is gona get so mod'ed.
Its like the first time you get hit with techII 1400mm howies from a tempest.. you say to yourself.. hmm I didn't know they hit that hard, but I know next time. Same with the bubbles..
Can I have your stuff..
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.10.06 16:14:00 -
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No it's not an exploit. We've asked GMs about it.
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Kalq Later
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Posted - 2005.10.07 11:16:00 -
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Its as simple like this:
As long ccp not alledge it as an exploit, it isn't an exploit. That goes for everything in game
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Gradinger
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Posted - 2005.10.07 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Still a little bit low to use this "feature"...it¦s not a bug
i¦d say as a lot guys now know about this feature its not that low anymore ;)
and about the missing description in the item-database - i think most things in eve arent described completely - in eve u gotta find a lot things yourself (or ask a gm )
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.10.07 17:07:00 -
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But you will still find no Teddybear troops using a bubble behind the gate. That¦s not how bubbles were ment to work. We think it¦s a bug and beeing a buguser is not really cool, or? We place it in front of the gate like allways and people putting it behind the gate use a bug to kill people. If they are officially allowed, fine...we wont use it.
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.10.07 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
But you will still find no Teddybear troops using a bubble behind the gate. That¦s not how bubbles were ment to work. We think it¦s a bug and beeing a buguser is not really cool, or? We place it in front of the gate like allways and people putting it behind the gate use a bug to kill people. If they are officially allowed, fine...we wont use it.
We need more cool people in EVE...
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Trina Tron
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Posted - 2005.10.07 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Blob
Here is the reply
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I asked the bughunters about this and they can confirm that there is no problem with warp bubbles and that they are in no way broken. This sucking feature is intended, but the chances of it sucking a ship in successfully are not high. Since this is the case and due to the fact that there were no server problems at this time that could have caused this, we can not reimburse your loss. We are truly sorry for the inconvenience and we hope that you will recover swiftly. We understand your frustration, but unfortunately our hands are tied in accordance with the reimbursement policy.
If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help.
Best regards,
[GM]Zworm
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
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This game has decended to a new low. There is no indication in the description in their own item database of this behaviour, and one must wonder where the people who take advantage of this get this information from.
The statement that "This sucking feature is intended, but the chances of it sucking a ship in successfully are not high." is completely facile. They are quite evidently high enough for unscrupulous players to use this exploit.
I have cancelled my subscriptions and will no longer play a game that clearly endorses exploits and places unfair advantage in the hands of one group of players over another.
why the hell did you bump this thread. This thread was retared way back when and its still retared we all know you can do it its not a exploite and everyone jumped him when he asked if you had bothered to read the thread or mabey you just cant read becuse your re... o well dont want to flame people
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Wathiant
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Posted - 2005.10.07 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Wathiant on 07/10/2005 19:12:18
Thats rather odd, i warped to a gate at 100km that had a bubble at it and i got sucked into the bubble that was 15km behind the gate, now how did that happen?
I petitioned anyway and got this response.
Discussion Thread
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Response ([GM]edited) - 10/03/2005 06:11 PM
Hi edited,
I¦m sorry to hear of your loss. Regrettably I can not compensate you for what
you lost. Unfortunately I can¦t verify what happened in this case, i.e. the row
of events that led up to the destruction of your ship and pod. Unfortunately we
do not have any means to see what exactly happened in this case. As far as we
know, the warp disruptors should not work in this way, ie. dragging you into the
bubble.
If we are to be able to reimburse losses then the case must be verifiable
through our server logs (see our reimbursement policy:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp) but sadly in this case we lack
the verification needed.
I can fully understand your disappointment in this matter but I do hope you
understand our decision and why we can¦t give you your ship and items back.
I will report this to the developers and notify them of this issue. A bug report
from you, a player that experienced this first hand, may help as well and would
surely be appreciated: http://bugs.eve-online.com/newbugreport.asp
We fully understand if you won't file the bug report but it may prove helpful.
Best regards,
[GM]edited
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
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Agricola Augusta
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Posted - 2005.10.08 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elaine Marley
Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
Is it an exploit to place a warp bubble 15km past the gate so its on the insta?
Simply yes or no will be fine.
*Elaine Marley flicks Jim'ard Stone a Bird.
yes it is! AND BTW for using Insta Jumps you could get banned!
I'm still having a good laugh over this post. I'd like to inform CCP that I use instas all the time since moving about in a BS or hoarder is very tedious without them. And I always use them when travelling through low sec.
And Elaine I suggest you start reporting all those exploiting scum that sell/buy instas on escrow, wonder how many will be banned?
Using warp bubbles in this way isn't an exploit of a bug and therefore CCP will take no action if a GM sees you doing it. Also Instas are not considered exploits/bugs otherwise CCP would have deleted my post and banned me because all they have to do is check my BMs in people and places and they'll see atleast 750 stashed away in there!
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DeepfriedTator
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Posted - 2005.10.08 11:33:00 -
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well.... i just read someone canceling there subscription because of this bug/exploit if it is one. I have played alot of online games and trust me.... The DEV's and GM's in this game act alot quicker on exploits and bugs than anygame I have played before. I have only been playing for 6 months but to say your going to quit because of an exploit.... GO PLAY A GAME BY SOE.... then come crawling back and apologize because this game actually does pretty good against exploits and major bugs
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.10.08 11:42:00 -
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Using mobile warp disrupyers 'Bubbles' is not an exploit. Valar said so a few days ago on the forum, and wishes us happy ganking.
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