oh Nullbears, you're so precious.

I guess this is what you do when you've blued everyone and won EVE.

So the TEST has been harboring botters and has the audacity to sperg on the forums about how high sec players play the game are bad?!

BAN THEM ALL!!!!

true story, The Forge has more botters then all of nullsec put together

Confirming EVENEWS24's lack of anti-goon bias.

lol horus

Well kind of explains why Null minerals are so cheap.

For years it was botters in hi-sec and those minerals worth nothing, now it is Null that is full of bots and Alliance leaders profiting off them.

Ban the bloody lot of them, if they are botting ban them
If they knowingly profited of botting, ban them.
Take all the assets that they bought and stuff them in EvE central bank.

If they used bot money for Sov, strip them of the Sov.

Botting is crap and has damaged this game for so many years, get out your ban hammer CCP.

evenews24 maybe anti goon but does not changes the fact here.

Well kind of explains why Null minerals are so cheap.

For years it was botters in hi-sec and those minerals worth nothing, now it is Null that is full of bots and Alliance leaders profiting off them.

Ban the bloody lot of them, if they are botting ban them
If they knowingly profited of botting, ban them.
Take all the assets that they bought and stuff them in EvE central bank.

If they used bot money for Sov, strip them of the Sov.

Botting is crap and has damaged this game for so many years, get out your ban hammer CCP.

Can you point out this so-called fact? I dredged through that wall of text you linked to but must have overlooked it somehow.

I hope that makes you feel better about it.

You really think that CCP will do anything about this, i highly doubt it

I bet if that exact same wall of text was on themittani.com you would be holding it into the air like it was the ten commandments.

I don't know ... usually if something is true, there's 15 to 20 pages of goons posting about how bad the OP is at life within the first 5 minutes.

I don't know ... usually if something is true, there's 15 to 20 pages of goons posting about how bad the OP is at life within the first 5 minutes.

I wouldn't even be able to come to a conclusion since the article is about a group of people who are not affiliated with my group of people.

It sounded interesting however so I have it a click. And after spending 10 minutes analyzing everything there was nothing presented but rumor and speculation. Coming from an apparently disgruntled ex-member.

If there's anything here to look into it'll be looked into.

If there's anything here to look into it'll be looked into. In the meantime we've been working on a blog to be published within the next few weeks with some fun new information.

In the meantime we've been working on a blog to be published within the next few weeks with some fun new information.

Here we go, the usual counters to defect attention:

~ personally attack the messenger and those that agree
~ mock it as a conspiracy with the required mention of 9/11
~ tell people to READ the article, it clearly says something else

pure comedy and so predictable

has anyone blamed semi-AFK mining on this botting behavior yet?

We action against botters and RMTers

We'll take that as a promise.

Thanks.

nor will it stop the conspiracy crowd from pushing turbo on their already overactive speculation machines.

story seems pretty legit
horus' ole gang of botters working their way into some non-discriminating mass recruitment alliance like TRIBE - normal
horus getting into some r-tarded ebeef with corp/alliance mates and burning them with an EN24 expose - seen it
Montolio trying to bilk horus out of his botted e-gold - a celebrated nullsec tradition of ******* over horus

We'll take that as a promise.

... as Sreegs pointed out it is nothing but speculation. To relay an unsubstantiated accusation of something so serious to our game via a so-called news website would be akin to defamation in the real world.

Good thing slander, gossip and rumor mongering is totally acceptable for a mmo news website then, and also quite entertaining

I knew this was happening but never to this level.
CCP should act!
~braindamagecausinglink~

Also funny how this thread is turning into one eve news site versus the other.

Unfortunately a few people here seem to mistakenly believe these are facts being reported on, but you're absolutely right.

Also, if this was about AAA, we'd have Goons clapping and asking for blood, with an article on The Mittani already.

But no, Goons and friends are here overloading the Damage Control II, and The Mittani is featuring an article about redeeming your fireworks

I hope that makes you feel better about it.

en24 causes brain damage do not read

If this were about AAA, we wouldn't give a **** since they are no longer relevant.

Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.

U mad?

U unoriginal.

en24 causes brain damage do not read

I see goon indoctrination clearly causes major enlightenment

I see goon indoctrination clearly causes major enlightenment

It doesn't. The booze is what causes it.

Yep. And since one account with that questor stuff can bot for hundreds of millions per day, some people get lots of free time to enjoy strolls on beaches and booze, and a bit of PvP in the evening.

Questor stuff?

You would have to read the article. Instead you just Shiptoast away, as usual. Don't let facts get in the way of your forum spamming.

drinking has killed too many braincells i cant risk them on that brain destroying website

Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.

This. Is. General Discussioonnnnnnn!!!

*slams poast butan*


Anyway I see this thread has failed to deliver the attention the poster, and the EN24 "writer" desired. Op failure.

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it

[quote=Frying Doom]Well kind of explains why Null minerals are so cheap.

For years it was botters in hi-sec and those minerals worth nothing, now it is Null that is full of bots and Alliance leaders profiting off them.

Ban the bloody lot of them, if they are botting ban them
If they knowingly profited of botting, ban them.
Take all the assets that they bought and stuff them in EvE central bank.

If they used bot money for Sov, strip them of the Sov.

Botting is crap and has damaged this game for so many years, get out your ban hammer CCP.

Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.

This needs to be said again.

I'm curious how much the new AI slamed this type of bot

Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.

Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.

Not nearly hard enough.

Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.

exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

If you knew anything of rmfhorus the Puppetmaster you would know that anything he says needs to be investigated and to take his word 'on faith' is to be taken for a ride. A very expensive ride.

You know, I don't think they honestly care about the issue.

They need ~dem readers~.

NEVER STOP POSITNG

yeah en24 dudes this was a bad thing to write about, you shouldn't be aiding and abetting known botters

I'm curious how much the new AI slamed this type of bot

The messenger just alerted the bad guys they are being watched before CCP started watching them.

True www.themittani.com has certainly claimed quite a bit of them considering the quality of en24 it really wasn't that hard.

This, this, this. If I remember right it isn't the first time either. Didn't they publish a "how to: botting" guide?

It said they were all using Vargurs, so presumably not at all.

Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.

I don't imagine the writers would be irresponsible as to tell botters they're going to be caught, BUT I'd love to see what what have on -A-. Maybe one of the guys that joined PL can tell us about what happened.

~Fair and balanced~ just enough to not cover anything bad that happens to -A-.

We action against botters and RMTers based on actual empirical evidence provided to us by the EVE servers.

I don't think anyone cares now. Certainly not up north.

-A- can sit in NPC null and moan about blobbers all they want.

exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

Aha! The injection happens on the client side as per the expos+¬! If you're looking for evidence on the EVE servers, then it just goes to show that, once again, "the surest sign of a conspiracy is a complete lack of evidence."

/ship_toasting

I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give

Don't forget blues and techmoons those must be moaned about as well or they'll feel left out.

Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.

Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in.

Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in.

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in.

Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

For one to fix all of this we can all stop reading en24. For two maybe CCP should give us a big announcement with fireworks, fanfare, and explosions about botters being banned. I think security through obscurity is a bad idea too but its the only thing we have right now that works. And until we find something better its what stays, if you want to change this now's a good time to start a threadnaught about something more useful than removing local or other bad ideas.

Isn't knowing you improved the game by destroying a bunch of botters enough? Man and I thought highsec people were the most entitled.

I gotta say, going from "trash eve news site implies botting in hbc" to "ban them all, theyre trying to nurf mah level 4s" has got to be the most impressive stretch of stupidity I have ever seen.

I wonder how some people don't suffocate from forgetting to breathe. I am literally saddened by this thread.

I first broke the "core ****" to Sreegs early in December.

The tip was more or less like this:
- Check out Blood and Sands
- Gummi Worm ****
- TEST / PL might be involved.

Yet I promised him the full exposure after we were done with the article, we had sent the full logs past Wednesday.

Regarding CCP Sreegs telling us to that we should have waited for him to act might be too much for us. We gave him a heads up, we sent the logs on Dec 26th.

Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

I do disagree with CCP Sreegs saying that us "blowing the beans" would be a step back given that people would simply stop botting activity. If for him it is strictly necessary to caught the offenders "in blazing offence", then he should close shop and rethink his approach against botters.

R

A third party external news site is a business like any other, they are there to provide news and attempt to make money, if not why do they all have so many ads?

So why do you feel the need to help botters by letting them know CCP may be onto them?

They make money either way, why do they need to be recognized or given a cookie for potentially hurting a bot hunt?

Maybe he's discreetly trying to help them... to turn over a new non-botting leaf, of course :v:

...and I didn't know 'til this day that riverini was a Goon the whole time.

Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.

They make money either way, why do they need to be recognized or given a cookie for potentially hurting a bot hunt?

A bigger blow to his credibility than a giant story about botters.

Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.

So you have never come across a business that likes free advertising? Must be nice to live in the middle of Antarctica

I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give for example

We ratted these people out to CCP a month ago and then because of the information we provided 32 people were permabanned with CCP confiscating 2.1 trillion isk ect, ect,

So they don't really get that added incentive to hold of on a story, much like real life news media generally do not hold off.

So maybe like the forums processes need to be more transparent when it comes to complaints made against ISDs so to do all the other rulings, it is not after all like anyone's actual name is being used and in EvE actions are meant to have consequences, so yes it would be nice to know when you are letting someone into your cop if they have received previous punishments for RMTing or botting.

But you may feel free to now call me a nut job as I would like transparency in the process.

No some of them get CCP supported welfare checks so they are fine.

I agree but to have the audacity to inadvertently warn the botters is borderline criminal.

Maybe he's discreetly trying to help them... to turn over a new non-botting leaf, of course :v:

Space Obama extended my unemployment, gave me a free cellphone, and increased my Access benefits by 500$. I lurv them space government entitlement programs.

at last he reports them.
What does the Mittani do? The mittani tells everyone not to report friendly bots.
So tell me who does the most damage here, the one that reports them or the one that tells everyone not to report them!?

Or have we forgotten. You can give me a million resons like we want no drama or other but when your own leader say to do nothing but report the enemies, who is the hypocrite here? Effectivelly providing a safe heaven to botters!

riverini is in NCdot

Horus used to be in NCdot

Toss that together with some anonymous IRC logs and baby, you've got a stew dumb conspiracy EN24 article going!

I felt a disturbance in the Force. Allow me to enlighten thee...



Please try and post without the ad hominem fallacies.

*disappears as mysteriously has he appeared*

Ok I have no idea what Access benefits are but I am sure the unemployment departments coffers are starting to run dry.

Now that would be a story, rehabilitating botters. Yet instead we decide to give them a warning that the cops are coming .

You've never been space poor, you are the 1% everyone hates the 1%.

A warning? If ccp was informed in early December like Riverini said, and then provided the full logs on the 26 th. It strikes me odd that so many of you that are buddies with the hbc are painting Riverini as the bad guy. Why? If Riverini is lying about giving ccp a heads up about it, then why hasn't ccp said he is lying? It is like you care more about Riverini being wrong than if botters are stopped.

You have to step back and realize that blue or not, if they are in fact botting, anyone involved needs to be punished.

A warning? If ccp was informed in early December like Riverini said, and then provided the full logs on the 26 th. It strikes me odd that so many of you that are buddies with the hbc are painting Riverini as the bad guy. Why? If Riverini is lying about giving ccp a heads up about it, then why hasn't ccp said he is lying? It is like you care more about Riverini being wrong than if botters are stopped.

You have to step back and realize that blue or not, if they are in fact botting, anyone involved needs to be punished.

Yes a warning, publishing "hey look botters" in a publicly viewable place before having any idea if CCP did anything is the same thing as going "hey guys I think CCP might be onto you." TL:DR don't do it.

Next time I go to Jita I'll start a new thread for every local spammer I see, just so they can be sure to know we're ~onto them~

Maybe en24 will let us be authors then .

A warning? If ccp was informed in early December like Riverini said, and then provided the full logs on the 26 th. It strikes me odd that so many of you that are buddies with the hbc are painting Riverini as the bad guy. Why? If Riverini is lying about giving ccp a heads up about it, then why hasn't ccp said he is lying? It is like you care more about Riverini being wrong than if botters are stopped.

You have to step back and realize that blue or not, if they are in fact botting, anyone involved needs to be punished.

Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.

So you have never come across a business that likes free advertising? Must be nice to live in the middle of Antarctica

The whole story is weak. All we have is supposed 'logs' which anyone can make with MS Notepad and a story. If its true- then these individuals and groups have laundered any dirty isk and are laying low at the moment, only to resume activities when the coast is clear/ tweaks made to their programs and software/accounts.

The messenger just alerted the bad guys they are being watched before CCP started watching them.

However, with checkable logs and related information sent to them (our readers will kindly understand that certain names and chat-log details could not be published here, but were sent to CCP Sreegs when the source agreed)GǪ perhaps it would be in the best interest of CCP Games to set an example?

A warning? If ccp was informed in early December like Riverini said, and then provided the full logs on the 26 th. It strikes me odd that so many of you that are buddies with the hbc are painting Riverini as the bad guy. Why? If Riverini is lying about giving ccp a heads up about it, then why hasn't ccp said he is lying? It is like you care more about Riverini being wrong than if botters are stopped..

Another good point CCP only has so many man hours they can expend and we don't set their timelines. Unlike a ~credible~ newssite run by someone who is in an alliance that used to have a known botter in it who probably doesn't have to worry about timelines.

So if they were not under the eye already then ... when?

Looks like Riverini gave CCP alot more heads up then the Goons gave CCP with the FW expoit which they told CCP only after ~5 trillion profit so that others wouldn't be able to do the same expoit. On top of that the Goons got a PLEX for bringing the expoit to CCP will Riverini be getting a PLEX for his work uncovering of these botters?

Let's say everything in that article is 100% true, for argument's sake (which is a leap when your only sources are "Horus" and "anonymous").

Yes reporting something in a week with a major holiday then whining that it was not immediately followed is "alot more heads up."

Tell me more about the FW exploit, exactly how much "heads up" was given :allears:. Remember to cite your sources. Oh yeah nerf highsec.

Yep we need to know who the banned botters are. Name em. It's not like they own the name, CCP owns everything.

I too have ratted out a bunch of botters and have no clue as to the results. Why the big secret?

Not being a hacking/scripting whiz, I am also curious how checking the servers is gonna expose a client side "injection"?

Nerf blobbers.

~dishonourable blobbers~

Well the article did state CCP was sent the info


So if they were not under the eye already then ... when?

Looks like Riverini gave CCP alot more heads up then the Goons gave CCP with the FW expoit which they told CCP only after ~5 trillion profit so that others wouldn't be able to do the same expoit. On top of that the Goons got a PLEX for bringing the expoit to CCP will Riverini be getting a PLEX for his work uncovering of these botters?

Banhammer all botters. If Sreegs says this kind of sensationalism isnt helpful then I have to take his word for it. I mean the dude only does this stuff for a living right?

We action against botters and RMTers based on actual empirical evidence provided to us by the EVE servers. We do not ban based on blogs posted on the internet, nor will we discuss individual actions whether to confirm or deny their existence as per long standing policy.

I can tell you that we've been working on botting and RMT for some time now and our numbers have shown things trending down steeply. Given that we're the only people who could possibly have access to this data anyone stating otherwise is merely speculating. No amount of articles published on the internet by third parties is going to change that, nor will it stop the conspiracy crowd from pushing turbo on their already overactive speculation machines.

If there's anything here to look into it'll be looked into. In the meantime we've been working on a blog to be published within the next few weeks with some fun new information.

So when will an article be written about how we're bad blobbers and have been reported?

Exactly, he knows he's done this for a while now. Yet all of these ~highsec intellectuals~ feel the need to question whether warning the bad guys the cops are coming is a good idea. Boycott en24!

tl;dr

Witness no surprise here. People don't seem to understand that CCP acts when it suits their purposes to do so. When it doesn't, they don't.

It's called "investigation".

So when will an article be written about how we're bad blobbers and have been reported?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22839477.jpg

Thank you for the enlightening conspiracy allegation. Now please tell me more :allears:.

Yeah good point, let's get this back on track and talk about the article whose two prime sources for information are Horus and someone logged into a guest account on IRC.

Someone else start though because lol

Yeah good point, let's get this back on track and talk about the article whose two prime sources for information are Horus and someone logged into a guest account on IRC.

Someone else start though because lol

The best thing that could happen would be riverini taking that article down and CCP nuking this thread.

anyone who questions the integrity of A PUPPETMASTER is clearly a goon psyops agent working hard to support their beloved allies, Tribal Band

Not nearly hard enough.

"P.S. Window positions are broken AGAIN. Each player has to resize ship cargo window, primary inventory window and station items window to his preferred sizes again. For every account. When I think about botters who own dozens of accounts, it makes me mad. I wish every developer who has participated in this change, and was too lazy to save former window positions and sizes: next time they go to WC, do it SLOOOWLY, FOR A HOUR, DROP BY DROP! So might be they feel the pain of manual resizing of 72 windows after a patch for a hour..."

~cover blown~

Hello TEST?

Anyone there? HELLO?

HBC!?!! HELLO!?!!

If they started doing that the next step is CCP demanding the removal of articles that cast them in a bad light and trashing those threads. The step after that is of course having to get written approval from CCP on any article as everything that occurs within the game is their property.

We have enough censorship on these forums now without comments like that.

Are we even blue to Tribal Band?

There is a very big difference between CCP taking down something that paints them in bad light and something that HELPS, yes HELPs, botters.

Please continue comparing apples to oranges, mr durian.

I first broke the "core ****" to Sreegs early in December.

The tip was more or less like this:
- Check out Blood and Sands
- Gummi Worm ****
- TEST / PL might be involved.

Yet I promised him the full exposure after we were done with the article, we had sent the full logs past Wednesday.

Regarding CCP Sreegs telling us to that we should have waited for him to act might be too much for us. We gave him a heads up, we sent the logs on Dec 26th.

Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

I do disagree with CCP Sreegs saying that us "blowing the beans" would be a step back given that people would simply stop botting activity. If for him it is strictly necessary to caught the offenders "in blazing offence", then he should close shop and rethink his approach against botters.

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We have blued the blues and are blue to everything.

when the cheaters are botters come to the forums and ask for nerf to high sec need to drop the ban hammer on them
this is why null not working they are the ones who rune eve they playing the game for free to boot


not even paying customers then they going to tell you how easy you have it in high sec

win eve = cheating

Maybe the botters haven't read about it, then it isn't too late. But then again, maybe they should have that warning, I mean if they weren't reading EN24, surely they will learn about the warning system that is EN24

This has nothing to do with that topic.

Oh and by the way, the last time Sreegs gave us any figures, the highest density of bots was in Caldari hi-sec. Maybe we should apply your logic to L4s and hi-sec ice belts...?

I never thought of that perhaps that is riverini's intention en24 is supposed to be a bot early warning system. /speculation

This has nothing to do with that topic.

Oh and by the way, the last time Sreegs gave us any figures, the highest density of bots was in Caldari hi-sec. Maybe we should apply your logic to L4s and hi-sec ice belts...?

I never thought of that perhaps that is riverini's intention en24 is supposed to be a bot early warning system. /speculation

[21:15] [Guest2734238] riverini is secretly using EN24 as an early warning system for bots.
[21:15] [Guest2734238] he gets kickbacks from all of the bot makers for doing it
[21:15] [Guest2734238] he also takes direct cash payment from Horus to point CCP away from his own botting

People love to ignore this fact. Instead its ~ebil nullsec slave owning bot supporting evil blue blobbers~.

Attention: I have just recieved this anonymous information in my ~intel dropbox~



Man, this journalism thingy is way easier than I thought!

Attention: I have just recieved this anonymous information in my ~intel dropbox~



Man, this journalism thingy is way easier than I thought!

If they started doing that the next step is CCP demanding the removal of articles that cast them in a bad light and trashing those threads. The step after that is of course having to get written approval from CCP on any article as everything that occurs within the game is their property.

We have enough censorship on these forums now without comments like that.

heh i love how everyone blatantly ignores the fact that EN24 previously published a botting guide

a shame that Riverini took it down when he was called out for it during his CSM run, oh wait http://www.scribd.com/doc/71692882/The-Rise-of-the-Machines-The-Practical-Guide-%E2%80%93-Primer

It's actually our ~highsec alts~, isn't it?