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Swiss Earl Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:00:00 - [1] - Quote is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage?
Alara IonStorm 4282	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:01:00 - [2] - Quote Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? Yes... Unless you have anything else to train that will help you more in a shorter time.
Eternal Error Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 276	Posted - 2013.01.02 18:10:00 - [3] - Quote If you have nothing better to train, then yes. I have large blaster and rail spec 5 and don't regret it.
Kasutra Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel 118	Posted - 2013.01.02 18:13:00 - [4] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? Yes... Unless you have anything else to train that will help you more in a shorter time. I'd say that "unless" condition is exceedingly likely to come up.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O. 109	Posted - 2013.01.02 18:49:00 - [5] - Quote You'll know when you need to train up a weapon specialization to V. It will be when you have zero idea what ELSE to train instead.
Hakaimono Stillwater Corporation 36	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:35:00 - [6] - Quote With remapping you can have it trained in less than 30 days. Large autos would only take 27 days for me.
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 533	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:44:00 - [7] - Quote Hakaimono wrote: With remapping you can have it trained in less than 30 days. Large autos would only take 27 days for me. 26 days 25 minutes with +5s. Eternal Error wrote: If you have nothing better to train, then yes. I have large blaster and rail spec 5 and don't regret it. Ouch. Pre-empt the fotm? From the way things are going, it'll take a while, like when the current generation of devs die of old age. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1050	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:59:00 - [8] - Quote Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
Solomunio Kzenig East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate 5	Posted - 2013.01.02 23:01:00 - [9] - Quote With Remaps and Implants, yes its worth it when there is noting more pressing/worthwhile to train. I am currently working my way through the Spec V's on all guns, got Large Artillery to V, Medium Artillery and Autocannon to V, rest to follow.
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 61	Posted - 2013.01.03 00:37:00 - [10] - Quote At some point your going to want all gunnery skills to V. It's your choice which you do first however I am training all support skills to V then immediately training specs to V Oderint Dum Metuant
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12444	Posted - 2013.01.03 00:51:00 - [11] - Quote GÇªactually, it's only 1.85% more damage. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2528	Posted - 2013.01.03 00:56:00 - [12] - Quote sabre906 wrote: Hakaimono wrote: With remapping you can have it trained in less than 30 days. Large autos would only take 27 days for me. 26 days 25 minutes with +5s. Eternal Error wrote: If you have nothing better to train, then yes. I have large blaster and rail spec 5 and don't regret it. Ouch. Pre-empt the fotm? From the way things are going, it'll take a while, like when the current generation of devs die of old age. I can see Lg Blaster Spec 5 being useful on the Kronos and Talos. I'd rather have Lg Pulse Spec 5 though. -Liang Ed: And in reality, I've got ~95M SP on Liang and still haven't trained any of the specs to 5. Maybe once I polish off the rest of my support skills. And EAF5, Marauders 5, and Black Ops 5. And I think there's some HIC skill I haven't trained. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Super spikinator Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.01.03 05:44:00 - [13] - Quote Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? Is this 2% damage going to be the very last way to squeeze that extra damage into your fit? Then yes. Proceed to train. Is there anything else that will take less? Then train that first.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 428	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:25:00 - [14] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement.
Batelle Aliastra 106	Posted - 2013.01.03 15:15:00 - [15] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Unless you have anything else to train that will help you more in a shorter time. Brilliant The Golem - The "Meh" of Marauders
Brandoe Chung Moon In Scorpio The Kadeshi 1	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:38:00 - [16] - Quote The DPs increase if you have all your other support skills @ V is minimal. In EFT I think it ranges from about 10 DPS frigates to 30 DPS BS's or something like that on paper. I'm not sure what the hit variations range is in game. Penetrating hits vs. Glancing blows and whether or not it might make the 2% bonus unnoticeable. Personally I have all the support @ V and the specs @ IV and have never had a complaint. But like people have said if there is another skill that could benefit you more then train that.
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 248	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:46:00 - [17] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. Use +3 or +4's. you only ever need two in at a time.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 6810	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:55:00 - [18] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. Did you know that some people PvP with pirate implant sets worth 2-5x that much? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2532	Posted - 2013.01.03 18:00:00 - [19] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. Did you know that some people PvP with pirate implant sets worth 2-5x that much? Ssshhhhhhhhh..... :) Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 235	Posted - 2013.01.03 18:46:00 - [20] - Quote 2% isnt worth it for a months training. Cross-train another race and never regret it.
Rajere Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 2	Posted - 2013.01.04 02:45:00 - [21] - Quote 2% is worth it if you've already trained all races. basically priority list depends on if you fly a specific ship (or group of ships that use the same weapons) a lot then training the weapon spec for that ship group is worth it, after training everything else.
Salpad Carebears with Attitude 301	Posted - 2013.01.04 03:36:00 - [22] - Quote Kasutra wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? Yes... Unless you have anything else to train that will help you more in a shorter time. I'd say that "unless" condition is exceedingly likely to come up. Depends on how long you've played. I've played for over 5.5 years, training continously. I haven't run out of things to train yet. But there is no longer nothing that is urgent for me to train. If I'm about to embart on some kind of activity, it is very worthwhile for me to maximize my edge.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 433	Posted - 2013.01.04 14:07:00 - [23] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. Did you know that some people PvP with pirate implant sets worth 2-5x that much? So what? -they expect medals, nice show up titles? Everyone is happy those exist, they provide delicious km's and tears, those selling those implants also love them. Also for someone above your post I do pvp with +3's (2) and this is not a problem neither, the question being is it worth the training time for the 5 spec lvl bonus, and imho it isn't in any shape or form.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1058	Posted - 2013.01.04 14:15:00 - [24] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. You didn't think that reply out, didja? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 433	Posted - 2013.01.04 14:19:00 - [25] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Swiss Earl wrote: is it worth the long train, 39d, for 2% extra damage? 39 days!?!?!? Wow. Ever hear about implants and/or remapping? Unless you stay dock it's not a good choice. 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. You didn't think that reply out, didja? You know I wouldn't troll this thread, it's not aloud by forum rules and I absolutely respect them
Batelle Aliastra 108	Posted - 2013.01.04 14:22:00 - [26] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. Firstly, who said anything about +5's ? +4's are good too and way cheaper. Also, how often do you get podded? I've never been podded in lowsec, and in 0.0 pvp I didn't get podded very often at all. Often you get a sense before undocking weather you're going on a suicide run or not, and its a simple matter to jumpclone to a clone with only +3's or something. If you only get podded once every few months, a few hundred mil on implants doesn't seem like such a bad investment. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65340[/url]
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 433	Posted - 2013.01.04 14:29:00 - [27] - Quote Batelle wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: 1st those +5's set +pod price will cost you more than a T2 fitted cruiser, ad eventually the price of a T2 assault frig full fit and you're not far from the 500M mark. How much motivating is this to pvp with implants?- Imho it isn't, it's not worth the effort for such little dps improvement. Firstly, who said anything about +5's ? +4's are good too and way cheaper. Also, how often do you get podded? I've never been podded in lowsec, and in 0.0 pvp I didn't get podded very often at all. Often you get a sense before undocking weather you're going on a suicide run or not, and its a simple matter to jumpclone to a clone with only +3's or something. If you only get podded once every few months, a few hundred mil on implants doesn't seem like such a bad investment. No problem.

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