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Alex Pier
Vault-13
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:52:00 -
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Sobaseki X - Moon 1 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant, on the market there was a buy order for 9000 Freed Slaves @ 249,999.99 per item.
I tried to sell the 60 Freed Slaves I had but it was a bulk buy order for all 9000 or nothing. So on the same station there were selling the following Items (which I purchased in order to have the 9000 needed for to fullfill the buy order):
1. 2011.10.08 10:25 - 469 Freed Slaves @ 120,122.00 - Seller: Heinrich Rosenmantel
2. 2011.10.08 10:25 - 29 Freed Slaves @ 149,000.00 - Seller: Heinrich Rosenmantel
3. 2011.10.08 10:33 - 8471 Freed Slaves @ 172,650.00 - Seller: Heinrich Rosenmantel
Once I had all 9000 Freed Slaves I right clicked selected SELL THIS ITEM and I got the sell window stating automatically that I was selling 9000 Freed Slaves @ 249,999.99. Note that the buy order was still there on the MARKET window. The moment I pressed the sell button the buy order that was under the buyers portion of the market window disappeared, the sell didn't go through and the 9000 Freed Slaves appeared under MY ORDERS tab.
The outcome is that I lost 1,523,176,368.00 (all my ISK minus 30,000,000.00) and while the buy order was clearly there and the system recognized it, since I had the sell window infornt of me for 9000 Freed Slaves @ 249,999.99 (autofilled) per piece, as I said above the second that I pressed teh SELL button the buy order dissapeared and the transaction didn't go through!!!
Note that there was a similar scheme but with Janitors on the same station, which also dissapeared the moment the Freed Slaves buy order dissapeared.
Has anyone came across anything like that before? Is it a scam, a scam bot (if there is such a thing) or a bug?!?!?!
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Mail Order Bride
10
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:20:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18942&find=unread |
Alaizabel Bronstein
United Engineering Services
3
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:35:00 -
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+margin+trading+scam |
malaire
81
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Posted - 2011.10.08 14:55:00 -
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And my explanation of how "Fake buy order on market / Margin Trading scam" works:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=95872#post95872
Good thread btw, many scams explained.
Carebear -á* -áTrader -á* -áPerfect Music-á-á* -áNever Scamming -á* -áNever Pirating |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping
Silent Infinity
15
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Posted - 2011.10.08 14:56:00 -
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Even though I also made a post like this at one time, there really should be a sticky for it :S
I feel sorry for you, but there will always be a first time for this error, unless you have someone whom introduced you to EVE and warned you.
In the real world, everything that looks too good to be true probably is. In EVE, you can simply be certain.
[img]http://www.evemarketeer.com/player/sig/511049420[/img]
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Bloody Wench
23
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Posted - 2011.10.08 15:24:00 -
[6] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18942&find=unread |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
16
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Posted - 2011.10.08 16:28:00 -
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Allready another week gone?
Damn time flies ... |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
5
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Posted - 2011.10.08 17:06:00 -
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I think this is a seriously broken aspect of the market. A basic principle should be, if the book order exists, then there should be no question that the trader backing it has the isk to carry through with the trade. |
Ravenclaw2kk
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:43:00 -
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Alex Pier wrote:Sobaseki X - Moon 1 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant, on the market there was a buy order for 9000 Freed Slaves @ 249,999.99 per item. I tried to sell the 60 Freed Slaves I had but it was a bulk buy order for all 9000 or nothing. So on the same station there were selling the following Items (which I purchased in order to have the 9000 needed for to fullfill the buy order): 1. 2011.10.08 10:25 - 469 Freed Slaves @ 120,122.00 - Seller: Heinrich Rosenmantel 2. 2011.10.08 10:25 - 29 Freed Slaves @ 149,000.00 - Seller: Heinrich Rosenmantel 3. 2011.10.08 10:33 - 8471 Freed Slaves @ 172,650.00 - Seller: Heinrich Rosenmantel Once I had all 9000 Freed Slaves I right clicked selected SELL THIS ITEM and I got the sell window stating automatically that I was selling 9000 Freed Slaves @ 249,999.99. Note that the buy order was still there on the MARKET window. The moment I pressed the sell button the buy order that was under the buyers portion of the market window disappeared, the sell didn't go through and the 9000 Freed Slaves appeared under MY ORDERS tab. The outcome is that I lost 1,523,176,368.00 (all my ISK minus 30,000,000.00) and while the buy order was clearly there and the system recognized it, since I had the sell window infornt of me for 9000 Freed Slaves @ 249,999.99 (autofilled) per piece, as I said above the second that I pressed teh SELL button the buy order dissapeared and the transaction didn't go through!!! Note that there was a similar scheme but with Janitors on the same station, which also dissapeared the moment the Freed Slaves buy order dissapeared. Has anyone came across anything like that before? Is it a scam, a scam bot (if there is such a thing) or a bug?!?!?!
Your mistake was not following the common sense rule. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is.
I have come across some very nice looking contracts etc and have had to resist the temptation to instantly accept and re-read. All of the amazing looking deals are scams. In eve nothing is free.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
29
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:58:00 -
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Fools and Interstellar kredits are Soon parted. |
Serene Python
Python Technologies
2
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Posted - 2011.10.09 04:34:00 -
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Oh look... It's this thread again...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6306&find=unread |
Callduron
1
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:58:00 -
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On the bright side you did free a lot of slaves. William Wilberforce would be proud! |
Klausan
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 09:59:00 -
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You got hazed |
Maeda Toshiie
Diverse Endeavors
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:14:00 -
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It's one of the sillier gamisms in Eve. Makes no sense whatsoever but does provide another sound tactic for players who enjoy professional scamming. Another thing that couldn't exist in a real world, but a game doesn't need to make sense, it just needs to provide fairly balanced play. CCP's remedy to potential targets is simply that the scam can be avoided.
But yes, it's a dumb loophole in the trading system. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
339
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:49:00 -
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Delicious.
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Barakach
Dynamic International Solutions
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:45:00 -
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They need to color-code and/or flag orders where the min volume of the buy order is greater than that person's ability to cover.
A person who has a buy order for 2000 items at 1mil/unit isn't a problem if they only have 500mil. Maybe the order sells slowly.
A person who has a buy order for 2000 items at 1mil/unit with a min volume of 1000 units with only 500mil isk, would NEVER be able to cover.
We need a sytem that would flag these "never" scenerios. |
Keil Sonter
Allied Pilots Corporation
TROJAN.
13
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:21:00 -
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Callduron wrote:On the bright side you did free a lot of slaves. William Wilberforce would be proud!
I think your historical knowledge and a nod to the role Wilberforce played in removing in this disgusting trade will be sadly lost on the majority of EvE players.
Plus sadly the 9000 have simply changed master and are still under the yoke!
Come the revolution!!
regards,
Keil Sonter
Teamspeak3 Hosting services - Www.EvE-Teamspeak.com
Website Hosting Services - Www.EvE-Corporation.co.uk
SubDomain Hosting Services - Www.EvE-Domain.com |
Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
9
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:27:00 -
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Welcome to Market Discussions!
You have now passed the Initiation process along with the Initiation Fee. What is the fee? The fee is whatever isk you paid to pass the Initiation process! Some pay less, some pay more and some pay through the nose for this privilege. From now on you will be known as a MD Trader. Henceforth, and forthwith et al, you will be treated in the most cursory manner imaginable where every failing will be greeted with derision and great brotherhood!
Do you feel like a used washrag? Welcome to MD!
Do you feel completely hosed? You're now a Trader!
Do you feel like wardeccing someone or hiring a merc unit to inflict pain? You're a veteran MD forum user!
Do you feel like CCP let you down with some lame-ass market window mechanics? Welcome to MD!
Do you feel like doing the same thing to some other poor unsuspecting schlep? You're now a Trader!
Do you feel the complete lack of sincerity or commiseration by other Traders to be insulting? You're a veteran MD forum user!
Remember: buy low, sell high, a good deal is too good a deal, bad deals are everywhere and unsecured loans are worth their collateral.
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Celeste Benal
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.11 06:30:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:Welcome to Market Discussions!
You have now passed the Initiation process along with the Initiation Fee. What is the fee? The fee is whatever isk you paid to pass the Initiation process! Some pay less, some pay more and some pay through the nose for this privilege. From now on you will be known as a MD Trader. Henceforth, and forthwith et al, you will be treated in the most cursory manner imaginable where every failing will be greeted with derision and great brotherhood!
Do you feel like a used washrag? Welcome to MD!
Do you feel completely hosed? You're now a Trader!
Do you feel like wardeccing someone or hiring a merc unit to inflict pain? You're a veteran MD forum user!
Do you feel like CCP let you down with some lame-ass market window mechanics? Welcome to MD!
Do you feel like doing the same thing to some other poor unsuspecting schlep? You're now a Trader!
Do you feel the complete lack of sincerity or commiseration by other Traders to be insulting? You're a veteran MD forum user!
Remember: buy low, sell high, a good deal is too good a deal, bad deals are everywhere and unsecured loans are worth their collateral.
lol'd, and highlighted my position in the heirarchy. |
Malkuth Delapounti
Bulldog Industries.
Two Zero One One
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:37:00 -
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Man for having that much money and falling for this scam. -áWow, but I guess lesson learned. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
96
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Posted - 2011.10.11 14:51:00 -
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I saw this thread topic and thought to myself: "Oh, looks like someone fell for the margin trading scam again."
Then I clicked the thread and though: "Yup." |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
111
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:40:00 -
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You get what you deserve you filthy slaver!! |
Borkers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:23:00 -
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I use margin trading a lot and I think it could be tweaked to reduce this scam while still being useful for legitimate businessmen such as myself. Allow multiple margin buy orders to exceed the amount of ISK in your wallet, but any single order whose outstanding cost exceeds your wallet at any time is canceled, and you lose your broker fees.
The scam would still be possible, but reduced, because scammers would have to put up multiple orders to do it and at least some of those orders would execute. Sellers could protect themselves by moving flipping small lots to match individual orders, since one order will be funded but two+ may not be.
Legitimate use would also still be possible. We can set up a bunch of speculative long-term orders exceeding our actual assets, and continue daily play with our wallets so long as we don't deplete them below the largest outstanding margin call. It would help to show that value somewhere in the UI, but overall I think it would work with minimal disruption.
I also like the idea of color-coding orders which are not fully funded, although people new enough to fall for the scam will probably confuse "can't buy the whole order" with "can't buy anything" and overcompensate.
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Sortin Crendraven
Overlord Corp
Sovereign Technologies
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 04:50:00 -
[24] - Quote
It's a combination of Margin Trading and the minimum quantity requirement. If you see a buy order that looks excessive, and it's requiring a minimum quantity...it's probably a scam.
It's counter-intuitive-
Ask yourself...why did someone put up a buy order requiring a minimum quantity? If the price seems excessively high, the reason is simple- they're making you buy from their sell orders at an inflated rate, because they want you to think you'll still profit by selling to their buy order at an even more inflated rate. |
rdors venabili
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 09:56:00 -
[25] - Quote
Margin Trading = a reason to leave eve. |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.30 11:54:00 -
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This has been discussed (argued) extensively before, but, Margin Trading really is a broken game mechanic (but, not a bug - it does works as it was intended to work). In RL, your margin order would not fail, you would be in debt and subject to all of the nasty RL consequences of being in debt.
CCP can already set a wallet to a negative balance (as when a player benefits unfairly from an exploit), so there isn't any reason why Margin Trading could not be fixed, fulfilling the order and putting the toon in debt.
CCP would also need to either disallow the recycling of toons and accounts which have a negative wallet balance, via code and/or by adding a restriction to the EULA. Or, perhaps, the funds could be subtracted automatically from another toon on the same account, or subtracting actual game time from the toon's account, using the average daily price of PLEX as the conversion rate. And, Margin Trading should not be allowed to be trained on trial accounts.
Did I reopen an old argument? Flame on! |
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 12:05:00 -
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shouldnt be just the toon should go to the main on the account if the char in debt is ever biomassed. and set a minimum skill point for margin trading to discourage biomassing the main.
anyway op got greedy. nothing in life is free (eve included) all i'll suggest is turn it around and hope someone else falls for it and you make your isk back. |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave.
GIANTSBANE.
12
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Posted - 2011.10.31 01:54:00 -
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This scam is more of an exploit of a game mechanic than a game mechanic itself. CCP should really sort it out, but alas, I foresee people copy/pasting this thread for years to come. |
Heinrich Rosenmantel
The Society of the Rosy Cross
Stone Tower Industrial Group
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 02:39:00 -
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I am proud of this thread. Fear not, for your money has been put to good use! |
Alex Pier
Vault-13
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 16:33:00 -
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Malkuth Delapounti wrote:Man for having that much money and falling for this scam. -áWow, but I guess lesson learned.
Well, I managed to survive as a PvE player and PvP player some rough situations including solo 0.0 runs without ever loosing much in term of ships! Not necessarily because I am good, but because I am sneaky...
Still I had no EVE experience as a trader, hence I wasn't aware of the scums that go on market wise, except the obvious ones! That wasn't very obvious to me and I was playing after a night out the bars... Big mistake!
Well now I will have to wartag the guy who did it and apply me EVE playing game poping him.
As you said lesson learned! Never play eve drunk, don't be greedy and don't be nice to people!
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Alex Pier
Vault-13
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 16:36:00 -
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Heinrich Rosenmantel wrote:I am proud of this thread. Fear not, for your money has been put to good use!
The money is not the issue Heinrich... It wasn't that big of an amount, it took me less of a week to recover.. it's the scam tat matters. But there are other ways of repaying that!
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Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
164
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:05:00 -
[32] - Quote
Necro post, but whatever. To all the people saying that this can't happen in real life: it can and does. Its not quite the same thing (its more to do with Shorts than margin trading) but it does happen. The consequence is that you get sued and/or arrested (if you get caught and do it in such a way as to cause severe issues). In the states its called a naked short, were you short-sell some financial property without first owning it (generally to drive the price down, or because you're lazy). This happened with stocks quite a bit. Its been illegal in the US since 2008. And by "illegal" I mean its mildly prohibited, still happens, and there isn't a whole lot people can do about it.
That being said however, because of the nature of the stock market a naked short is considerably harder to scam with than EVE's equivalent (which I suppose could be called a naked long... KEEP YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER). |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
47
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:18:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:I think this is a seriously broken aspect of the market. A basic principle should be, if the book order exists, then there should be no question that the trader backing it has the isk to carry through with the trade.
on other hand, i'd like to see possibility to put sell orders with only partial amount of assets available. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
41
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:23:00 -
[34] - Quote
Alex Pier wrote:[quote=Heinrich Rosenmantel] But there are other ways of repaying that!
Nope not in eve , alts or chars you don't undock are immune to vengeance my friend.
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Alex Pier
Vault-13
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:27:00 -
[35] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Alex Pier wrote:[quote=Heinrich Rosenmantel] But there are other ways of repaying that! Nope not in eve , alts or chars you don't undock are immune to vengeance my friend.
Well yes, but the specific character does and he roam around Tama and Dandumi and other systems around that area usually evenings (EVE time)...
I have done my homework, but didn't have much time to play lately due to real life and work... when I get the time though...  |
GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
4
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Posted - 2011.11.22 19:40:00 -
[36] - Quote
This particular market scam has been known for quite some time. See also: you cannot into common sense, too good to be true, etc.
Still can't believe people fall for this **** all the time. And it literally takes no effort to watch over this stuff. |
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
Blazing Angels Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:28:00 -
[37] - Quote
Even if it has been known to people for a long time, Eve is a big place and for most people it is always something new to learn (if you want to fully understand a concept, it is easy to jump around and try stuff).
I don't think it is the market vets that falls for this scam, and if you do your homework I am sure you can avoid it. But lets face it most people don't think, lets try something different, I will start to go on the forum and read 1000+ post about the subject.
If we set that as a entry standard on everything in EVE we would have very few players, I personally think EVE already suffer from the level of complexity and lack of instant gratification that most other mmorpg have.
Margin trading are one of those skills that I believe is easily overlooked when you enter the market and if you don't have a decent basic understanding of economics, it would be even easier to miss the potential in this skill.
Margin trading adds a level of complexity that are advantageous for older player or more precis for players that prey upon others. It also hits them where it hurts from an angel a new player have a limited chance of knowing.
This guy comes to mind.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14194&find=unread
We can argue about the value of his contribution to EVE, but I doubt it he is the only one getting burned out there.
I like the skill Margin trading very much, but I have started to doubt the positive effects it has on EVE as a whole. It serves people with many orders and a lot of ISK, in general older player. It raises the entry bar for new players to get in on the market, both skill wise and that players don't have to choose in what items they want to trade or produce. I find my self still trading in T1 goods because it don't cost me much to put up buy orders on huge amount of items and just let my orders sit there and simmer.
At GavinCapacitor:
It is easy being elitist in areas we already have all the answers in, but we all started out as noobs. I find myself constantly humbled in EVE and no matter how small it is every now and then I discover something new.. |
GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:34:00 -
[38] - Quote
Tom Hagen wrote:Even if it has been known to people for a long time, Eve is a big place and for most people it is always something new to learn (if you want to fully understand a concept, it is easy to jump around and try stuff).
I don't think it is the market vets that falls for this scam, and if you do your homework I am sure you can avoid it.
Then it seems....
...you need to catch up on your homework.
 yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Tom Hagen wrote:
But lets face it most people don't think, lets try something different, I will start to go on the forum and read 1000+ post about the subject.
That is ridiculous hyperbole. You do not need to read "+1000 posts" to understand this scam. You need to read one (1).
Tom Hagen wrote:
At GavinCapacitor:
It is easy being elitist in areas we already have all the answers in, but we all started out as noobs. I find myself constantly humbled in EVE and no matter how small it is every now and then I discover something new..
You're right, it *is* easy to be elitist about something we "have all the answers in" and we did all start out as noobs. But that is not what I am doing. You see, I am being elitist about being able to follow simple things like "if its too good to be true is usually is" and being able to keep in mind the general premise in eve that people are out to take your money and kick your dog. I'm sure even you (if you tried really hard) would find it odd there was someone selling X and someone buying X for *much* more so close together. Perhaps even read that one post (or +1000, whatever) on the topic before you went for it.
I wish someone would hand me 1.5billion isk for nothing. |
Srioghal moDhream
B and T Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:44:00 -
[39] - Quote
There is an exceptionally easy way to fix this and it would take very little coding.
Make it so the minimum order amount required cannot exceed the amount of ISK in escrow.
So if you place a buy order for a total of 1 billion isk and you only have to put up 500 million in escrow, then the minimum number of items required cannot exceed the 500 million.
Required amount x cost < escrow
Very easy fix to this scam. |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights
Galactic System Lords Alliance
32
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:22:00 -
[40] - Quote
Alex Pier wrote:Heinrich Rosenmantel wrote:I am proud of this thread. Fear not, for your money has been put to good use! The money is not the issue Heinrich... It wasn't that big of an amount, it took me less of a week to recover.. it's the scam tat matters. But there are other ways of repaying that!
maybe you should hire people to go after the guy who scammed you- i wouldn't rely on your ' PVP SKILZZ '
as you would have us belive |
Dane El
Daneco Inc.
8
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:18:00 -
[41] - Quote
The most confounding part of this thread is "Who looks at the market for freed slaves and janitors?" |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:31:00 -
[42] - Quote
Dane El wrote:The most confounding part of this thread is "Who looks at the market for freed slaves and janitors?"
This is exactly what I was thinking. I am guessing that the OP was not aware that these items have little to no actual use in the game other than as mission items.
In a way though that may make this sort of scam more prone to be targeted to new players. They are the ones who lack context on the workings of the game and are bombarded by missions requiring them to obtain the items. They may therefore tend to overvalue these items and not question their being offered for sale at such a high unit price.
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Alex Pier
Vault-13
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:08:00 -
[43] - Quote
thekiller2002us wrote:Alex Pier wrote:Heinrich Rosenmantel wrote:I am proud of this thread. Fear not, for your money has been put to good use! The money is not the issue Heinrich... It wasn't that big of an amount, it took me less of a week to recover.. it's the scam tat matters. But there are other ways of repaying that! maybe you should hire people to go after the guy who scammed you- i wouldn't rely on your ' PVP SKILZZ ' as you would have us belive
This is the care bear character, I have done little to no PvP with him. His main responsibility is to run missions to make money so we can fund the PvP... Secondly I didn't say that I am brilliant at PvP, but I think I can handle this:
Heinrich Rosenmantel |
Tivookz
The Forgotten Navy
Gentlemen's Agreement
19
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
Callduron wrote:On the bright side you did free a lot of slaves. William Wilberforce would be proud!
Win. |
Kirian Kador
KANTAI HIKAGE
White Noise.
4
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:37:00 -
[45] - Quote
Who said he freed them? After all he BOUGHT already FREED slaves. Karma is a *****  |
Heinrich Rosenmantel
The Society of the Rosy Cross
Stone Tower Industrial Group
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
Alex Pier wrote:This is the care bear character, I have done little to no PvP with him. His main responsibility is to run missions to make money so we can fund the PvP... Secondly I didn't say that I am brilliant at PvP, but I think I can handle this: Heinrich Rosenmantel
I hope you enjoy waiting for a very long time while I remain stationary. Find me in Dantumi. And hell, if you actually became a problem I could always use some of your donation to hire some more guns! |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:43:00 -
[47] - Quote
Heinrich Rosenmantel wrote:I am proud of this thread. Fear not, for your money has been put to good use!
"Well done Pig, well done."
This tactic requires no policing. Just do not be a fool with your isk.
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Kara Books
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:43:00 -
[48] - Quote
If a negative ISK balance where to be introduced for these situations... |
Moranti Patron
Income Savings Plan
0
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Posted - 2011.11.25 02:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
freed slaves are people...just people....
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Heinrich Rosenmantel
The Society of the Rosy Cross
Stone Tower Industrial Group
2
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Posted - 2011.11.25 05:32:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:If a negative ISK balance where to be introduced for these situations...
If they did that I'd run up immense debts on an alt to myself... |
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