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Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:15:00 -
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We all started EVE at some point, naively believing we were decent when we trained battleships and big guns, bought a plex to fund a battleship, and promptly got said battleships ass kicked into future lolmail status, but I often wonder when the tipping point will come, where people realize "yano, I'm so far behind every other player in this game, and i'll have to sub this account for (however long newbs believe they will have to sub account to easily make a plex worth of isk a month) that its not even worth it", which is a realization they could easily come to near the end of the 14 day trial period.. Being as the games about 10 years old now, how long will it be before more trials than not end in uninstalls?
and most importantly, is that the time eve will start dying? I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? don't know why i waste my brain power trying to solve a problem that won't make ME any money.. but I guess its cause I like the game, and would like it to be around and still populated in 5 or 6 years (should I still be playing) and the players that are starting out today or next week or next year would be the ones around at that time. its hard to enjoy a cutthroat business when your competitor has a chainsaw and all you've got is a plastic spork, is CCP ever gonna hand these lads at least a butterknife?
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
305
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:19:00 -
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EvE Online is the only MMO that as growth every single year.
If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
135
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:20:00 -
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Man, with all the ship rebalances, new crimewatch, and all the new things newbs can do now as opposed to , say, 2 years ago.......CCP has already done it.
Hell, our corp has a newb pilot who just came off trial about 2-3 months ago and he's already PLEXing his account......he does the trade stuff, goes into lowsec, makes tons of space cash.
I hate his guts.... |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1127
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:20:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:We all started EVE at some point, naively believing we were decent when we trained battleships and big guns, bought a plex to fund a battleship, and promptly got said battleships ass kicked into future lolmail status, but I often wonder when the tipping point will come, where people realize "yano, I'm so far behind every other player in this game, and i'll have to sub this account for (however long newbs believe they will have to sub account to easily make a plex worth of isk a month) that its not even worth it", which is a realization they could easily come to near the end of the 14 day trial period.. Being as the games about 10 years old now, how long will it be before more trials than not end in uninstalls?
and most importantly, is that the time eve will start dying? I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? don't know why i waste my brain power trying to solve a problem that won't make ME any money.. but I guess its cause I like the game, and would like it to be around and still populated in 5 or 6 years (should I still be playing) and the players that are starting out today or next week or next year would be the ones around at that time. its hard to enjoy a cutthroat business when your competitor has a chainsaw and all you've got is a plastic spork, is CCP ever gonna hand these lads at least a butterknife?
Wot? I sold my first battleship on the marketplace after dabbling in some incursion work. I hate battleships, too slow.
On that note, I also believe incursion mechanics are a little too exclusive and should be reworked to include roles for fast frigates and destroyers. Not nerf incursions, but maybe add a few sites where they can be useful so frig pilots like me can actually participate in incursions without having to get out a lumbering BS with all the moves of a whale.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12501
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:22:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? Something like the current skill system will work perfectly.
In fact, it already does.
I guess what I'm saying is: what gap?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? Something like the current skill system will work perfectly. In fact, it already does. I guess what I'm saying is: what gap?
the one for people who don't know what they're doing... |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
488
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:25:00 -
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I think EVE has already reached it's prime. For the sake of what you are saying, the success rate on rope a dope newb in EVE is .1% For every fool like me who sucks at EVE and keeps playing 999 just leave after a month. This game is not super complex.
Gank.
You just cracked EVE. No matter what people try and convince you, no matter how many examples of things that happened in EVE a gank would have made it all not happen. -A- built a T3 super fleet and got ganked by junk and lost it. Raiden built a T2 super fleet back in their day and got ganked and lost it. You can take every win scenario and make it a loss scenario with three words.
I Got Ganked.
10 years ago, few people knew EVE was really that black and white. Today, everyone knows it. EVE grows because they give the game away to Alts and one month newbs. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
940
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:26:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? Something like the current skill system will work perfectly. In fact, it already does. I guess what I'm saying is: what gap? the one for people who don't know what they're doing...
i still don,t know what i am doing ,but i am still at this game
R.S.I2014
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Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:27:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Zack Korth wrote:Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? Something like the current skill system will work perfectly. In fact, it already does. I guess what I'm saying is: what gap? the one for people who don't know what they're doing... i still don,t know what i am doing ,but i am still at this game
i'd venture to say you know 99% more about EVE than a brand new player. |
Jacob Straven
Earths Naval Space Command
37
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:29:00 -
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Indeed, one of the beauties of EVE is that a 3 day old player can make a difference, there are no 'gaps'.
Because of SANDBOX |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
940
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:30:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Zack Korth wrote:Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? Something like the current skill system will work perfectly. In fact, it already does. I guess what I'm saying is: what gap? the one for people who don't know what they're doing... i still don,t know what i am doing ,but i am still at this game i'd venture to say you know 99% more about EVE than a brand new player.
you are sure?
R.S.I2014
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Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:30:00 -
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Jacob Straven wrote:Indeed, one of the beauties of EVE is that a 3 day old player can make a difference, there are no 'gaps'.
Because of SANDBOX
no |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:31:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you are sure?
yes
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
940
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:33:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you are sure?
yes
ok ,but i sticked around to learn more ,i guess.
others ,who like this game ,will want to learn also
R.S.I2014
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
648
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:36:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Zack Korth wrote:
i'd venture to say you know 99% more about EVE than a brand new player.
you are sure? yes
that would be less than twice as much 
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:37:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you are sure?
yes ok ,but i sticked around to learn more ,i guess. others ,who like this game ,will want to learn also
indeed, its easy to like, until your corp joins an alliance thats wants you in a tengu "LIKE RITE NOW", o could someone link dat plz? "Tengu" 47mofoing days wat? |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:38:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Zack Korth wrote:
i'd venture to say you know 99% more about EVE than a brand new player.
you are sure? yes that would be less than twice as much
k thank you |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
940
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:41:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Zack Korth wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you are sure?
yes ok ,but i sticked around to learn more ,i guess. others ,who like this game ,will want to learn also indeed, its easy to like, until your corp joins an alliance thats wants you in a tengu "LIKE RITE NOW", o could someone link dat plz? "Tengu" 47mofoing days wat?
only been in a corp once ,decent people .never let me do something i not wanted to do.
Miss the occasional 0.0 roaming with them ,maybe its time to seek another corp.
Never had such a situation,so i can,t help you with that
R.S.I2014
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12502
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:41:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:Jacob Straven wrote:Indeed, one of the beauties of EVE is that a 3 day old player can make a difference, there are no 'gaps'.
Because of SANDBOX no
Incorrect.
There is no gap that the game needs to compensate for. Not knowing what you're doing is either soething that newbies get over after playing a little while, or it is something that no-one ever fully gets over because of the dynamics of the game. Either way, it's not a gap.
So really, what gap?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:Jacob Straven wrote:Indeed, one of the beauties of EVE is that a 3 day old player can make a difference, there are no 'gaps'.
Because of SANDBOX no Incorrect. There is no gap that the game needs to compensate for. Not knowing what you're doing is either soething that newbies get over after playing a little while, or it is something that no-one ever fully gets over because of the dynamics of the game. Either way, it's not a gap. So really, what gap?
DPS, tank... you've played eve right? |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1342
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:48:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:Being as the games about 10 years old now, how long will it be before more trials than not end in uninstalls?
If anything, the ratio is probably much improved now than it was a few years ago with the much more useful new player experience.
Quote: I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base?
As others have said, the recent T1 frigate and cruiser improvements have gone a long way to doing this already.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12502
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:51:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:DPS, tank... you've played eve right? Oh, you mean those things that are trivial GÇö in fact inevitable GÇö to catch up with?
YeahGǪ that kind of means that there is no gap that needs to be closed or compensated for, because it's already in the game.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:DPS, tank... you've played eve right? because it's already in the game.
you don't say? |
baltec1
Bat Country
4680
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:53:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:Jacob Straven wrote:Indeed, one of the beauties of EVE is that a 3 day old player can make a difference, there are no 'gaps'.
Because of SANDBOX no Incorrect. There is no gap that the game needs to compensate for. Not knowing what you're doing is either soething that newbies get over after playing a little while, or it is something that no-one ever fully gets over because of the dynamics of the game. Either way, it's not a gap. So really, what gap? DPS, tank... you've played eve right?
My Little Rifter
High - empty
Mid - MWD and warp disruptor
Low - empty
30 min into the game and this nub can tackle a dreadnought. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
1178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:53:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:EvE Online is the only MMO that as growth every single year.
It is also pretty much the only MMO that you can PVP from day one and be a very real help in fleets. Anyone who doesnt believe this is true simply has no idea what they are talking about.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12502
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:56:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:you don't say? I do indeed say that there is no gap in the game that needs to be compensated for because the game already does that, courtesy of its magnificent skill system.
Your poor editing won't change this fact. Now, you do know that it's a fact, right? You have actually played EVE, I hope?
So, once again: what gap?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 11:58:00 -
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oh i get it, GD is trollin |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
114
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Posted - 2013.01.06 12:01:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:...I often wonder when the tipping point will come, where people realize "yano, I'm so far behind every other player in this game, and i'll have to sub this account for (however long newbs believe they will have to sub account to easily make a plex worth of isk a month) that its not even worth it", which is a realization they could easily come to near the end of the 14 day trial period..
That 'realization' is flat out wrong. There is next to no gap and even when broadly skilled for subcaps, people wont fly them better after ~60 mill SP, far less to fly BCs and T3s perfectly.
My one year old alt @20 mill SP can fly his BC at the exact same level as my 100 mill SP character.
Moreover, if being able to plex ones account determines whether someone keeps playing or not, he probably shouldn't keep playing any computer games at all and get some basic education or some McJob to be able to afford 15 bucks a month.
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and most importantly, is that the time eve will start dying? I wonder about it alot, what kind of system could be implemented to "close the gap" for new players without alienating the existing player base? don't know why i waste my brain power trying to solve a problem that won't make ME any money.. but I guess its cause I like the game, and would like it to be around and still populated in 5 or 6 years (should I still be playing) and the players that are starting out today or next week or next year would be the ones around at that time. its hard to enjoy a cutthroat business when your competitor has a chainsaw and all you've got is a plastic spork, is CCP ever gonna hand these lads at least a butterknife?
As you said eve is 10 years old, so people have faced this situation for the last ten years (it was worse before neural remaps and removal of learning skills), so it always was a question if a player draws a wrong conclusion or not.
I for one came to the conclusion that it's best to sell my higher SP characters because at this very moment, all the Skills those characters have over my low SP alt (perfect T2 and BS skills) are pointless due to the rebalancing that's going on.
Currently, most T2 ships are generally worthless for the price and BS have been CCPs red-haired stepchild for years now.
By the time CCP get around to rebalance them, my alt will be able to fly them too... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12502
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Posted - 2013.01.06 12:03:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:oh i get it, GD is trollin Not really, no. Well, you might, so maybe you meant to say GÇ£OPGÇ¥ rather than GÇ£GDGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Zack Korth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.01.06 12:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zack Korth wrote:oh i get it, GD is trollin Not really, no. Well, you might, so maybe you meant to say GÇ£OPGÇ¥ rather than GÇ£GDGÇ¥.
no |
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